Karmarie

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 14 2009,13:55)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,22:04) Exactly the same applies to the ‘saved’!  The moment you will no longer die is the moment your ‘life’ (whatever it is) loses all motive and meaning. God's love is what sustains those who have eternal life. Without it, eternal life would be a curse. And: Everlasting destruction simply means destroyed forever. It is the same thing.

And here was I thinking that being associated with 'god's love' was a curse in its own right. You get to be doubly cursed: dull, monotonous eternal meaningless existence as well as the unending company of a god that is too immoral to worship.

I just get to be permanently destroyed by fire, by an act of punishment that is a vengeance of a god with no moral right to be judging anyway. As I have indicated a preference for cremation, I can see little difference with what I have wanted anyhow, and better still I am not in an ethically compromised position as a result.

Stuart

[Stu]

Ed

I see that your 'proof' amounts to tedious numerology.

How tedious of you.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 14 2009,18:36)

Ed I see that your 'proof' amounts to tedious numerology. How tedious of you. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I see you didn't read all the posts; 'to tedious'.
'Don't bother me with the facts, because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up'.

Ed J

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,06:30)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 14 2009,01:28) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,06:19) Con Quote You blame 'Elohim?  Why not blame the wicked for there fate? Blinding the wicked and hardening their hearts is the fault of the wicked  This expresses a positive divine act, by which those who wilfully close their eyes and harden their hearts against the truth are judicially shut up in their unbelief and impenitence,  this is in no way inconsistent with the liberty of the human will, which of course it is not. That is not what scripture says.  It is god that does the blinding and lying to them.  It is like blaming criminals for being locked up by the police.  Whether they deserve it or not, it is not the criminals who did the incarceration, is it?  When the duty officer falls asleep and his dropped cigarette burns the police cells to the ground causing the death of the prisoners held there, your logic would blame the prisoners for their own demise.  That is absurd. Of course I don’t ACTUALLY blame supernatural beings that do not exist, for anything.  That would be ridiculous. Quote Can those blinded receive redemption? Would they want it?  I don’t. Quote 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Yeshua HaMoshiach, who is the image of 'Elohim, should shine unto them. See?  What an unjust Imaginary Friend you have. Quote Stu, who is the god of this world? Ken Ham? Quote Well Stu, it appears it is not G-d's fault, they get all the chances in the world to repent, how about you Stu, how many chances do you pass up daily? As many as present themselves to me.  How about you? Stuart I am at rest knowing I have salvation. Aren't you special then. Stuart

A little snippy?

[Stu]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 15 2009,04:23)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,06:30) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 14 2009,01:28) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 13 2009,06:19) Con Quote You blame 'Elohim?  Why not blame the wicked for there fate? Blinding the wicked and hardening their hearts is the fault of the wicked  This expresses a positive divine act, by which those who wilfully close their eyes and harden their hearts against the truth are judicially shut up in their unbelief and impenitence,  this is in no way inconsistent with the liberty of the human will, which of course it is not. That is not what scripture says.  It is god that does the blinding and lying to them.  It is like blaming criminals for being locked up by the police.  Whether they deserve it or not, it is not the criminals who did the incarceration, is it?  When the duty officer falls asleep and his dropped cigarette burns the police cells to the ground causing the death of the prisoners held there, your logic would blame the prisoners for their own demise.  That is absurd. Of course I don’t ACTUALLY blame supernatural beings that do not exist, for anything.  That would be ridiculous. Quote Can those blinded receive redemption? Would they want it?  I don’t. Quote 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Yeshua HaMoshiach, who is the image of 'Elohim, should shine unto them. See?  What an unjust Imaginary Friend you have. Quote Stu, who is the god of this world? Ken Ham? Quote Well Stu, it appears it is not G-d's fault, they get all the chances in the world to repent, how about you Stu, how many chances do you pass up daily? As many as present themselves to me.  How about you? Stuart I am at rest knowing I have salvation. Aren't you special then. Stuart A little snippy?

A little egotistical, arrogant and full of self-righteousness?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,04:12)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 14 2009,18:36) Ed I see that your 'proof' amounts to tedious numerology. How tedious of you. Stuart Hi Stuart, I see you didn't read all the posts; 'to tedious'. 'Don't bother me with the facts, because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up'. Ed J

OK then. I post often on the fact of evolution as explained by the theory of natural selection. There is so much evidence for Darwin's model of common ancestry and speciation by descent with modification that it would be perverse to deny it.

The one fact that I think is most convincing of all of the facts that support it (I mean convincing in the sense that it convinces people) is that of endogenous retroviruses. Following virus infections, bits of virus DNA have become incorporated into the germ cell line DNA and passed on to desendents. Exactly the same piece of viral DNA is found in exactly the equivalent position, for example in both chimpanzee DNA and human DNA. There are other ERV's in common with gibbons, a more distant ancestor, but there are fewer of them in total. In this way you can build the same 'tree' of relationships between the great apes, and indeed other animals as you can with fossil morphology and other DNA evidence.

Now this long, off-topic description is not supposed to be relevant, all I am doing is showing you what I mean by a convincing fact.

Now, tell me which of the 'facts' you have posted you think is the most convincing. Remember that what you have posted is convincing based on probability, as is what I have posted too. You might be able to show that the probability of your numerology occurring without 'divine guidance' is too small to be considered a coincidence.

Good luck.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 15 2009,07:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,04:12) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 14 2009,18:36) Ed I see that your 'proof' amounts to tedious numerology. How tedious of you. Stuart Hi Stuart, I see you didn't read all the posts; 'to tedious'. 'Don't bother me with the facts, because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up'. Ed J OK then.  I post often on the fact of evolution as explained by the theory of natural selection.  There is so much evidence for Darwin's model of common ancestry and speciation by descent with modification that it would be perverse to deny it. The one fact that I think is most convincing of all of the facts that support it (I mean convincing in the sense that it convinces people) is that of endogenous retroviruses.  Following virus infections, bits of virus DNA have become incorporated into the germ cell line DNA and passed on to desendents.  Exactly the same piece of viral DNA is found in exactly the equivalent position, for example in both chimpanzee DNA and human DNA.  There are other ERV's in common with gibbons, a more distant ancestor, but there are fewer of them in total.  In this way you can build the same 'tree' of relationships between the great apes, and indeed other animals as you can with fossil morphology and other DNA evidence. Now this long, off-topic description is not supposed to be relevant, all I am doing is showing you what I mean by a convincing fact. Now, tell me which of the 'facts' you have posted you think is the most convincing.  Remember that what you have posted is convincing based on probability, as is what I have posted too.  You might be able to show that the probability of your numerology occurring without 'divine guidance' is too small to be considered a coincidence. Good luck. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I'm familiar with Darwin are you familiar with my evidences?

My God has every contingency; do you?

Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,09:52)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 15 2009,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,04:12) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 14 2009,18:36) Ed I see that your 'proof' amounts to tedious numerology. How tedious of you. Stuart Hi Stuart, I see you didn't read all the posts; 'to tedious'. 'Don't bother me with the facts, because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up'. Ed J OK then.  I post often on the fact of evolution as explained by the theory of natural selection.  There is so much evidence for Darwin's model of common ancestry and speciation by descent with modification that it would be perverse to deny it. The one fact that I think is most convincing of all of the facts that support it (I mean convincing in the sense that it convinces people) is that of endogenous retroviruses.  Following virus infections, bits of virus DNA have become incorporated into the germ cell line DNA and passed on to desendents.  Exactly the same piece of viral DNA is found in exactly the equivalent position, for example in both chimpanzee DNA and human DNA.  There are other ERV's in common with gibbons, a more distant ancestor, but there are fewer of them in total.  In this way you can build the same 'tree' of relationships between the great apes, and indeed other animals as you can with fossil morphology and other DNA evidence. Now this long, off-topic description is not supposed to be relevant, all I am doing is showing you what I mean by a convincing fact. Now, tell me which of the 'facts' you have posted you think is the most convincing.  Remember that what you have posted is convincing based on probability, as is what I have posted too.  You might be able to show that the probability of your numerology occurring without 'divine guidance' is too small to be considered a coincidence. Good luck. Stuart Hi Stuart, I'm familiar with Darwin are you familiar with my evidences? My God has every contingency; do you? Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are you interested in answering the question, or shall I just dismiss your 'proof' as the inconsequential nonsense that it appears to be?

The Da Vinci code is more convincing to me currently.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 15 2009,15:38)

Ed Are you interested in answering the question, or shall I just dismiss your 'proof' as the inconsequential nonsense that it appears to be? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

At first I didn't understand your question; but now I do.
This is as easy as it gets; far less tedious, I agree.

These are not very long, please read all 5; and in this order…
Page 2: Posts 3, 1, 5 and 6; and my last post on page 5, only.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

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YHVH GOD is One=151 God’s unity of Spirit is seen through prime number counterparts. God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. The Gematria of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) bears a resemblance to the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with 2. Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number, this number (151) has great significance; as it is one of “The God Numbers”=151 (63,74,117 & 151). The Key=74 The God Numbers=151 GOD The Father=117 The LORD JEHOVAH=151 Jesus=74 Jesus Christ=151 Holy Spirit=151 Holy Spirit=151 YHVH=63 YHVH GOD is One=151 The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63. “YHVH Banner”=117 GOD’s Name is expressed [4] times in the AKJV Bible as JEHOVAH and [1] time as JAH; JEHOVAH is also used “in three phrases”, illustrating “a trinity idea” within this translation. 1) Genesis 22:14, “Jehovah-Jireh” means: “GOD will see” or “GOD will provide”; appertains to JESUS=74, the provision back to GOD. (IICor. 5:19) 2) Exodus 17:15, “Jehovah-Nissi” means: “GOD is My Banner”, which illustrates “GOD THE FATHER”=117, because under GOD’s banner we all stand. (Psalm 60:4) 3) Judges 6:24, “Jehovah-Shalom” relates: “GOD is My Peace” to the comforter, the HOLY SPIRIT=151, because the God Spirit brings GOD‘s peace to us all. These three (3) phrases match perfectly three (3) main feasts of GOD written in the Bible. The three main feasts of God are… 1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by “JESUS MESSIAH”=148 2) Started “Pentecost”=117 the “Former Rain”=117 of “GOD THE FATHER”=117 3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the “HOLY SPIRIT”=151 I hope this post will help many to see that GOD truly exists in a plurality, but not just merely ‘two’ or ‘three in one’, but as ALL IN ONE! The Hebrew word [אלהים] ĔL-ō-Hêêm (in Genesis 1:1 for God) carries the meanings of both “God in the plural”, and also “The Mighty God”. This can be better illustrated using both the English AKJV Bible’s rendering of JEHOVAH and the Greek’s word for “GOD”. There are five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs) ; they are… Four (4) of these are plural forms of the word; only one (1) is used in singular form. 1) θεος 2) θεου 3) θεω 4) θεον 5) θεε The AKJV Bible has uses the name JEHOVAH four (4) times and JAH (1) once! JEHOVAH is also used in three (3) phrases (illustrating a trinity) 1) JEHOVAH (Exodus 6:3) 2) JEHOVAH (Psalm 83:18) 3) JEHOVAH (Isaiah 12:2) 4) JEHOVAH (Isaiah 26:4) 5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) “HolyCityBibleCode” documents how “The God Numbers”=151 integrate with the AKJV Bible. 1) (117) GOD The Father=117 2) (74) Jesus=74 3) (151) Holy Spirit=151 4) (63) YHVH=63 (GOD: The Eternal Existing One) 5) (26) GOD=26 (יהוה =26) Spoken as “YÄ”=26. [English=74] is [The key=74] to the bulk my research; giving the skeptic the proof he needs! הוה (YHVH) is God's Name translated as “JEHOVAH” The AKJV Bible has uses the name JEHOVAH four (4) times and JAH (1) once! JEHOVAH is also used in three (3) phrases (illustrating a trinity idea). 1) JEHOVAH (Exodus 6:3) is My Name “YHVH”=63 2) JEHOVAH (Psalm 83:18) is The Most High “GOD The Father”=117 3) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2) is [The Savior=117] in “Jesus Christ”=151 4) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 26:4) is Everlasting strength in “Holy Spirit”=151 5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) The Name of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā”; where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”. God has even encoded Me(Ed) into The AKJV Bible. The children (of Reuben, Gad and half of the tribe of Manasseh) called the altar עד=74 [Ed]; for Ed shall be a witness between us that [יהוה האלהים=117] is [“GOD”]. (Joshua 22:34) Numbers don’t convey ideas; but numbers can confirm ideas. (Reuben=65 Gad=12 Manasseh=80÷2=40) [65+12+40=117]. Theomatics confirms that this number speaks on GOD’s behalf because: 117=YHVH is GOD, GOD the Father=117. He who originated outside of time (GOD the Father=117) verifies the authorship of “HolyCityBibleCode” as approved of GOD. The purpose of the free e-book (and snippets) is to reveal true “Bible truth”=117. God has also encoded the free e-book… “Holy City”=117 Rev. 21:2-3 “And I John saw the HOLY CITY=117, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men (Isaiah 60:14), and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, AND GOD HIMSELF=117 shall be with them, and be their God. “Holy City” equaling 117 is the very reason the free e-book is called “HolyCityBilbeCode”. It’s EXCLUSIVELY about 117=“יהוה האלהים”(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm A “HolyBibleCode”=117 about “God The Father”=117; because “YHVH is GOD”=117! “HolyCityBibleCode” offers the very proof of God’s existence!

OK. I've read them. Now what?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 15 2009,18:26)

OK.  I've read them.  Now what? Stuart

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 16 2009,12:55)

The Number 117, The number 117 shows much significance in English Gematria, as it relates to the Bible and God’s Hebrew name and title. The Gematria total of “GOD the Father” matches precisely with the Hebrew Gematria of  יהוה האלהים  (JEHOVAH GOD); which is 117. The Center Chapter in the Bible just so happens to be Psalm 117 (Psalms is the largest book); since there are exactly 1189 chapters in the entire bible. That would make (the smallest chapter) Psalm117 THE CENTER, because there are exactly 594 chapters before and 594 after it. What can we draw from this? Well how about… From small to large, GOD is at the center of all truth! “The Bible”=63 is the word of “YHVH”=63. GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels. Furthermore “YHVH is GOD” totals 117 as well! Some may say these facts are all mere coincidence, but my research indicates it is by design. The consistencies of these facts are no mere coincidence; matter of fact the Hebrew language has NO word for “coincidence”! Because of this, they don’t believe there are such things as coincidences just divine intervention.  These examples, to some, may be just conjecture yet to others provocative, but in either case should at least cause one to think that there could be something to English Gematria and the existence of God.   Thanks and God bless, Ed J

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2009,19:38)

New “Testament”=117 Because of what Jesus did on the cross (to die for our sins) we have a New “Testament”=117 with our GOD; יהוה האלהים =117 (JEHOVAH GOD). (Heb.9:15-17: For this cause He (Jesus) is the mediator of the New Testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first (Old) Testament, that they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a Testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of “The Testator”=151. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives. “Jesus Christ”=151 was “The Testator”=151! (John 16:7: Nevertheless I (Jesus=74) tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit=151) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send the [God Spirit=117] to abide inside of you.) Because, “YHVH is One GOD”=151 (John 12:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat (Jesus=74 emphasis mine) fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but if it die, it brings forth much “fruit”=74.) There is much proof my friends, Ed J

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2009,19:10)

YHVH is GOD=117 “The bible”=63 has the proof well documented that “GOD the Father”=117 raised Jesus back from the dead (Gal. 1:1). This can easily be easily seen with the use of Gematria. The numbers [63+54=117] help to give us greater clarity in this matter. “YHVH”=63 as the “God Spirit”=117 indwells in mankind starting after a 54-day period which began at Jesus’ crucifixion and ended at Pentecost. On day four, Jesus is living again, “GOD the Father” raised Him back to life (Gal.1:1). Pentecost in Greek means fifty; which started fifty days after the resurrection. Pentecost brings a close to the fifty-four day period that began at Jesus’ death. Pentecost therefore began 54 days after the crucifixion. YHVH=63 plus the 54 days it took prior to Pentecost=117 starting, can be mathematically stated as (63+54=117). This formula lends strong support to the claim of English Gematria in general and yet stronger evidence to the claim that “YHVH is GOD”=117! GOD has also put prime number counterparts into the very (intelligent) design. It was GOD who raised Jesus back from the dead; because HE is the “TREE OF LIFE”=101. Gematria plainly shows this because [101] is the [26th prime number] in a long list of prime #’s (starting with two). “GOD” is the “Tree Of Life” who raised Jesus back to life. GOD= 26, יהוה=26 and YÄ=26; because HE (117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm) is “The Savior”=117 to all who walk the ground! Faithful, yet not so discrete, Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Stuart,

Now read these in the Quoted section.
“Then I want to hear your feedback”.

1) 117    GOD The Father=117
2)  74     Jesus=74
3) 151    Holy Spirit=151
4)  63     YHVH=63 (GOD: The Eternal Existing One)

These numbers represent “The Key”=74 in understanding (יהוה =26) GOD=26.

“Then we shall know, if we follow on to know the LORD (YHVH=63): his going forth is prepared as the morning;
and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter rain and former unto the earth.” (Hosea 6:3) [The Latter Rain=151 & Former Rain=117].

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

Given your promise of 'proof' of the existence of a god, I am looking for something along the lines of “there must be a god because…” but I cannot find that anywhere.

All I can see is tedious numerology.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2009,06:29)

Given your promise of 'proof' of the existence of a god, I am looking for something along the lines of “there must be a god because…” but I cannot find that anywhere. All I can see is tedious numerology. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Now, are these anomalies random?
If not, then who orchestrated them?

If man, then he would have been aware of them all along.
Prob.25:2  It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

I realize that this information does not conclusively prove God;
but here is the main quote from the free e-book…

…There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now be
mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”!

Now your basically up to speed with my comparative knowledge of Darwin.
If you still want to dispute the existence 'of your(my) invisible friend'; we discuss the matter.

I Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

PS. There is still a lot more, but this is the strongest that I'm aware of.
And I do agree that most 'church goers'(seem to) make very weak representatives of God to the Atheist.

[942767]

Everlasting destruction:

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Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,09:10)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2009,06:29) Given your promise of 'proof' of the existence of a god, I am looking for something along the lines of “there must be a god because…” but I cannot find that anywhere. All I can see is tedious numerology. Stuart Hi Stuart, Now, are these anomalies random? If not, then who orchestrated them? If man, then he would have been aware of them all along. Prob.25:2  It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. I realize that this information does not conclusively prove God; but here is the main quote from the free e-book… …There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”! Now your basically up to speed with my comparative knowledge of Darwin. If you still want to dispute the existence 'of your(my) invisible friend'; we discuss the matter. I Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org PS. There is still a lot more, but this is the strongest that I'm aware of. And I do agree that most 'church goers'(seem to) make very weak representatives of God to the Atheist.

I ask you again: There MUST be a god because…?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 16 2009,09:29)

Everlasting destruction: Quote Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.   Love in Christ, Marty

Another perspective on the fiery vengeance to be meted out by your loving and forgiving god on atheists like Ian McKellan, Francis Crick, Gene Roddenberry and Bob Geldof who, despite their contributions are adjudged fools and abominations who do no good, not one of them.

Thanks for that.

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2009,11:43)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 16 2009,09:10) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2009,06:29) Given your promise of 'proof' of the existence of a god, I am looking for something along the lines of “there must be a god because…” but I cannot find that anywhere. All I can see is tedious numerology. Stuart Hi Stuart, Now, are these anomalies random? If not, then who orchestrated them? If man, then he would have been aware of them all along. Prob.25:2  It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. I realize that this information does not conclusively prove God; but here is the main quote from the free e-book… …There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”! Now your basically up to speed with my comparative knowledge of Darwin. If you still want to dispute the existence 'of your(my) invisible friend'; we discuss the matter. I Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org PS. There is still a lot more, but this is the strongest that I'm aware of. And I do agree that most 'church goers'(seem to) make very weak representatives of God to the Atheist. I ask you again: There MUST be a god because…? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

There MUST be a God, because the physical universe conspires with us believers!

I have been concerned with needing help writing the remaining chapters of “HolyCityBibleCode”.

Chapter 24 is called “Discussing Confusion”…. The Religious (not yet finished).
Chapter 25 is called “Jonah Code” … World scene relation.
Chapter 23 is last chapter published (26 in total).

It always amazes me how efficient the God of us believers(Our YHVH=117) is.
I have been in contact with a Hebrew Rabbi from the internet.
At first he was not interested with helping me, but God
working on the inside of him, has changed his mind;
come to find out he is in the process of writing a book as well.
He is going to give me a copy of his work.

And then there's Georg form this Forum, who at first he was not sure about me
and my beliefs, has now just recently decided to help as well.

You have the right to believe whatever you want;
but I suggest you reconsider that 'your(my) invisible friend' may very well be real.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Stu]

OK. I accept your concession that you cannot do what you promised. Of course I did not expect you would be able to prove the existence of any god.

I see that this form of numerology you indulge in is a particularly Jewish obsession. Do you think it inspired Dan Brown?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2009,12:26)

OK.  I accept your concession that you cannot do what you promised.  Of course I did not expect you would be able to prove the existence of any god. I see that this form of numerology you indulge in is a particularly Jewish obsession.  Do you think it inspired Dan Brown? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

As I said, “proof” is in the eye of the beholder.
That is like someone telling you that they don't lie.
'They' don't get to determine that, “the hearer” does!

What I call proof, you say isn't.
Prob.23:7 For as he(Stuart) thinketh in his heart, so is he…
I have no idea who Dan Brown is?

There are two unchangeable things about God; they are…

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable(unchangeable) things, in which it is “impossible for God to lie”…
2Timothy 13 If we(Stuart) believe not, yet he(God) abideth faithful: “he cannot deny himself “.

I suggest when nobody is around(so you don't sound silly), say “outloud”…
God, if you are real, prove yourself to me.

Then see for yourself if 'your(my) invisible friend' is REAL or no.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 16 2009,09:29) Everlasting destruction: Quote Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.   Love in Christ, Marty Another perspective on the fiery vengeance to be meted out by your loving and forgiving god on atheists like Ian McKellan, Francis Crick, Gene Roddenberry and Bob Geldof who, despite their contributions are adjudged fools and abominations who do no good, not one of them. Thanks for that. Stuart

Hi Stu:

The scriptures states that atheists are fools because they say that there is no God.

And although salvation and eternal life can only come by God's provision by faith and living our lives by His principles, man will be judged according to their works, and so, there may be these who have done good works who have not believed that there is a God, but I know also that since all have violated God's eternal laws, they will also be held accountable for these transgressions.

But God is calling whosoever to come to Him and be forgiven for anything they have ever did wrong, and has promised eternal life and eternal joy in the world to come to those who learn to live by His principles.

I don't know where you could possibly find a better deal, but God will not force you to come to Him, it is your choice.

You wanted to know about everlasting destruction, and so, I just showed you what it was. A person won't burn forever as some teach, but they will be destroyed forever, and they will be held accountable for the life that they lived.

Why should God continue to let those who rebel against Him live in His house forever?

Love in Christ,
Marty

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