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Quote He tells adolescent children they are smarter then their parents.
When it comes to technology, most adolescents ARE smarter than their parents!Quote He tells the same LIE to 'evolutionists', they are smarter then everybody that came before.
You don't have to be intelligent to understand the explanation for why we are here. It is really quite simple.To deny it, you DO have to break a commandment though.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,12:46) Quote First of all the word Gullible is in the dictionary. 
Quote And second you have already admitted you are without knowledge i.e. a-gnostic. Now obviously if you are ignorant about God you are in no position to judge. You would be like a person who cannot understand that criminals should ever be punished. Let me ask you though, should criminals ever be punished? BTW, Since you primarily don't believe in God shouldn't you be of the opinion that anything that takes place on earth is completely human? Once again your hypocrisy is showing BD, now you have done the old ‘gullible’ thing (Tee Hee) keep that dictionary handy!
Look up these words for your own education:
gnostic ( in its common usage it doesn’t mean just ‘knowledge’!)
agnostic (it does not have the same meaning as “not gnostic”, or “ignorant”!)
hypocrisy (it does not mean refusing to accept a strawman)
strawman (what most of your posts contain, especially in relation to natural history).HOW does criminal justice have ANYTHING to do with it?
Look up:
irrelevantHow would humans be responsible for earthquakes, for example? That is a religious mythology, one that I don’t believe in!
Look up:
fatuous
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bollocksStuart
Play all you want but to be agnostic means to say “YOU DON'T KNOW” if you don't know you have NO KNOWLEDGE if you have no knowledge you are IGNORANT.I don't use strawman arguments but you may not know what it means to construct a strawman argument.
Criminal justice has everything to do with why you consider God to be brutal or mean.
Humans don't need to be responsible for earthquakes and your belief does not include “God” in the equation so to you no one can responsible for an earthquake.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,16:12) Quote He tells adolescent children they are smarter then their parents.
When it comes to technology, most adolescents ARE smarter than their parents!Quote He tells the same LIE to 'evolutionists', they are smarter then everybody that came before.
You don't have to be intelligent to understand the explanation for why we are here. It is really quite simple.To deny it, you DO have to break a commandment though.
Stuart
Now you have the answer for “why” we are here?You told me you had no working theory of abiogenesis therefore your “why” does not exist.
You like to start at the point after we are here already and then you conjure up what you have no knowledge of.
How does the fact that there are past species cause you to believe that there is any link whatsoever?
The Human genome project has data that says that a Potato has 73% similarities in its genome.
The fact is everything was CREATED out of the earth so all things have that in common.
BD
Quote Play all you want but to be agnostic means to say “YOU DON'T KNOW” if you don't know you have NO KNOWLEDGE if you have no knowledge you are IGNORANT.
agnostic n. % adj. a person who believes that nothing is known, or can be known of the nature or existence of god or of anything beyond material phenomena.This is not quite “I don’t know” is it?! It is I CAN’T know, and that goes for you too. Since it is a negative statement, and you are positively asserting that you are special, and have special knowledge that others don’t, then the burden of proof is with you. I suppose if you were too lazy to look this up then you also are not likely to be bothered explaining what you know that the rest of us don’t. By know, I mean to the extent that others would find it convincing, not just because you asserted it. See my comment elsewhere to you about believing any old crackpot’s fantasy story.
Quote I don't use strawman arguments but you may not know what it means to construct a strawman argument.
Here are some of your strawman arguments:So you think these overwhelmingly bad mutations are responsible for building up the entire spectrum of species?
how would the allele “know” that it bears a survival and reproductive advantage?
Believing in Natural selection how could [islamic suicide bombing] be “wrong” anyway?
How are you Ethical or Moral if your life has no purpose?
You don't believe in God and therefore you have to believe that any purpose you “make up” is only to “get by” through life and yet why is it you remain depressed?
I would welcome you bringing anything of mine to my attention if you think it qualifies as a strawman. I think you are probably too lazy to look for one though.
Quote Criminal justice has everything to do with why you consider God to be brutal or mean.
Don’t bother explaining it, will you. Just assert it.Quote Now you have the answer for “why” we are here? You told me you had no working theory of abiogenesis therefore your “why” does not exist.
We are humans, yes? I can explain why humans are here. That is why I said I can explain why we are here, as in the means by which we arose from our non-human ancestors. I did not say I could explain the origins of life, although by the standards you set for probity, I can explain it by the very plausible mechanisms that have been proposed. Of course you don’t have enough science to cope with those speculations so I won’t worry you with them.What you should have said in reply to me was “I thought you said life has no inherent purpose”!
Quote You like to start at the point after we are here already and then you conjure up what you have no knowledge of.
I am not a primordial cell. Are you?Quote How does the fact that there are past species cause you to believe that there is any link whatsoever?
Because life begets life. Life does not arise spontaneously, even though the creationist insists that it must.Quote The Human genome project has data that says that a Potato has 73% similarities in its genome. The fact is everything was CREATED out of the earth so all things have that in common.
Would you say then that the ‘creator’ has used common design thoughout the living world? Would you expect that the same job would be done the same way in different animals, for example?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,18:38) BD Quote Play all you want but to be agnostic means to say “YOU DON'T KNOW” if you don't know you have NO KNOWLEDGE if you have no knowledge you are IGNORANT.
agnostic n. % adj. a person who believes that nothing is known, or can be known of the nature or existence of god or of anything beyond material phenomena.This is not quite “I don’t know” is it?! It is I CAN’T know, and that goes for you too. Since it is a negative statement, and you are positively asserting that you are special, and have special knowledge that others don’t, then the burden of proof is with you. I suppose if you were too lazy to look this up then you also are not likely to be bothered explaining what you know that the rest of us don’t. By know, I mean to the extent that others would find it convincing, not just because you asserted it. See my comment elsewhere to you about believing any old crackpot’s fantasy story.
Quote I don't use strawman arguments but you may not know what it means to construct a strawman argument.
Here are some of your strawman arguments:So you think these overwhelmingly bad mutations are responsible for building up the entire spectrum of species?
how would the allele “know” that it bears a survival and reproductive advantage?
Believing in Natural selection how could [islamic suicide bombing] be “wrong” anyway?
How are you Ethical or Moral if your life has no purpose?
You don't believe in God and therefore you have to believe that any purpose you “make up” is only to “get by” through life and yet why is it you remain depressed?
I would welcome you bringing anything of mine to my attention if you think it qualifies as a strawman. I think you are probably too lazy to look for one though.
Quote Criminal justice has everything to do with why you consider God to be brutal or mean.
Don’t bother explaining it, will you. Just assert it.Quote Now you have the answer for “why” we are here? You told me you had no working theory of abiogenesis therefore your “why” does not exist.
We are humans, yes? I can explain why humans are here. That is why I said I can explain why we are here, as in the means by which we arose from our non-human ancestors. I did not say I could explain the origins of life, although by the standards you set for probity, I can explain it by the very plausible mechanisms that have been proposed. Of course you don’t have enough science to cope with those speculations so I won’t worry you with them.What you should have said in reply to me was “I thought you said life has no inherent purpose”!
Quote You like to start at the point after we are here already and then you conjure up what you have no knowledge of.
I am not a primordial cell. Are you?Quote How does the fact that there are past species cause you to believe that there is any link whatsoever?
Because life begets life. Life does not arise spontaneously, even though the creationist insists that it must.Quote The Human genome project has data that says that a Potato has 73% similarities in its genome. The fact is everything was CREATED out of the earth so all things have that in common.
Would you say then that the ‘creator’ has used common design thoughout the living world? Would you expect that the same job would be done the same way in different animals, for example?Stuart
Of course things can be known and your definition used says that you believe NOTHING is KNOWN or can be KNOWN in other words a person who believes that IGNORANCE is the reality.You agree life begets life so how do you get the first life?
Most of all design is common, as I expressed to you in the 3 main functions metabolism, reproduction and waste management.
Quote Of course things can be known and your definition used says that you believe NOTHING is KNOWN or can be KNOWN in other words a person who believes that IGNORANCE is the reality.
That is right: nothing CAN be known about gods. You have not shown that to be false in any post anywhere here.Quote You agree life begets life so how do you get the first life?
I might very well ask you the same question!Quote Most of all design is common, as I expressed to you in the 3 main functions metabolism, reproduction and waste management.
Do you think you would expect the same job to be done in the same way in different species, if there is common design?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,18:56) Quote Of course things can be known and your definition used says that you believe NOTHING is KNOWN or can be KNOWN in other words a person who believes that IGNORANCE is the reality.
That is right: nothing CAN be known about gods. You have not shown that to be false in any post anywhere here.Quote You agree life begets life so how do you get the first life?
I might very well ask you the same question!Quote Most of all design is common, as I expressed to you in the 3 main functions metabolism, reproduction and waste management.
Do you think you would expect the same job to be done in the same way in different species, if there is common design?Stuart
If nothing can be known about God then how is it you know enough about God to question about God?I'm not sure what you were asking with the common design question. But I would as a matter of efficiency expect the same principles to be applied overall. I also would expect commonality underlying great diversity.
BTW,
Evolutionist have even caused physical harm to millions making false claims like the appendix is a vestigial organ when in fact it is part of the immune system.
“[The appendix] acts as a good safe house for bacteria,” said Duke surgery professor Bill Parker, a co-author in the study. He said the appendix's location–below the one-way passage of food and germs through the large intestine in a digestive cul-de-sac–helps validate the theory. The worm-shaped appendage also acts to manufacture these helpful germs, Parker said.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Appendix_has_purpose:_Scientists
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 16 2010,18:40) quote]
Hi karmarie,1-Show me what claim I have made to indicate to you Rev.11 applies to me? And who is Ronald Weinland?
2- You did say that you wanted to me help; didn't you?
3-Stuart does not seem to have any problem with me! But both you and BD do for some strange reason?
It seems that I only appear to be an outcast to you and BD; I would really like to here an explanation on that point as well?God bless anyways Karmarie,
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdIn answer to these questions you asked,
1-When you said you were a witness I thought you were refering to the last 2 witnesses in the book of Revelations.
Sorry I didnt quite understand what you were saying.
Ronald Weinland is just one of the latest who claimed to be one of those witnesses.2-The offers still there!
3-Your NOT an outcast to me, im only trying to help you, sorry if Iv seemed to over focus on you lately. I have told Bod more than once about Jesus, its up to him now, Stuart and Kejohnn are way too advanced for my mind – im not scientific, so I leave that up to those that know more than I possibly could.
BD
Quote If nothing can be known about God then how is it you know enough about God to question about God?
That is not the question. I am not claiming to know anything more that what you claim to know. So, how do you know what you CLAIM to know about god?Quote I'm not sure what you were asking with the common design question. But I would as a matter of efficiency expect the same principles to be applied overall. I also would expect commonality underlying great diversity.
Here is a reason why creationism is not a scientific theory. Apart from providing no mechanisms whatever for the magical spontaneous generation of life, it does not make useful predictions, unlike the theory of natural selection which does (I have given you the example of the predictions made about the Piltdown hoax).Natual selection is certainly not efficient: it is very wasteful and there are some pieces of absurd engineering that we are stuck with, because there is no forwards planning. The vagus nerve in all mammals goes from the head down into the chest, around the aorta and back up into the part of the neck that it ennervates. While that is a pattern of development that we commonly-descended mammals are stuck with, and the consequences are not really that problematic, in giraffes if means there is more than 4 metres of unnecessary nerve. Meantime, sharks have a nerve that goes straight from A to B.
This is evidence for common ancestry with modification, because more closely related mammals have the poor engineering while more distantly-related sharks do not . I’m not sure how you can twist it to being evidence for common design: creationism says nothing about what you would EXPECT to find. It just leaches off real science (or lies about it) then adds religious apology on top.
So, would you expect the same job to be done in the same way, with common design? I can give you a real scientific answer to that question myself, but I want to know what your hypothesis is!
BTW, Evolutionist have even caused physical harm to millions making false claims like the appendix is a vestigial organ when in fact it is part of the immune system.
That is absurd. WHAT harm? Do you not believe in peritonitis??
This article does not say the appendix is part of the immune system. It is says it is for storing digestive bacteria. That is the purpose of the caecum in animals that use it to store bacteria that digest cellulose. We don’t use those bacteria yet we still have the appendix that may have adapted to a new function, notwithstanding that you might have expected natural selection to have got rid of it as a liability. Perhaps the low frequency of appendicitis today, or its rarity in prehistory means it has not suffered enough selection pressure over enough time to be removed.
The Holy Wikipedia defines vestigial like this:
Vestigiality describes homologous characters of organisms that have seemingly lost all or most of their original function in a species through evolution.Not that the appendix does not have to be found to have NO function, it just have to have lost its original function. We do not need cellulose-digesting bacterial, so it qualifies as vestigial. I note that my dictionary disagrees with this definition, saying the organ has “atrophied” (true) or become functionless (probably false)
Now the point, not addressed by the article, is that the appendix will have killed far more people that it has saved, and that there is no case of any person suffering any ill effects whatever because of appendectomy, even those who had it removed earliest. The appendix continues to kill people today. Not only does it qualify as a vestigial organ (notwithstanding that it has been very weakly used for a different function, which is exactly how natural selection works) it is a dangerous one, that we could remove from every human at birth with no ill effect whatever. That would make more sense than what muslims and Jews do to the gentitals of their male infants. Is the foreskin “vestigial”?
Did you note the last line of the article?
“It makes evolutionary sense.”
I think you have to factor appendicitis into the argument to have it make real evolutionary sense.
Stuart
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 18 2010,07:23) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 16 2010,18:40) quote]
Hi karmarie,1-Show me what claim I have made to indicate to you Rev.11 applies to me? And who is Ronald Weinland?
2- You did say that you wanted to me help; didn't you?
3-Stuart does not seem to have any problem with me! But both you and BD do for some strange reason?
It seems that I only appear to be an outcast to you and BD; I would really like to here an explanation on that point as well?God bless anyways Karmarie,
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdIn answer to these questions you asked,
1-When you said you were a witness I thought you were refering to the last 2 witnesses in the book of Revelations.
Sorry I didnt quite understand what you were saying.
Ronald Weinland is just one of the latest who claimed to be one of those witnesses.2-The offers still there!
3-Your NOT an outcast to me, im only trying to help you, sorry if Iv seemed to over focus on you lately. I have told Bod more than once about Jesus, its up to him now, Stuart and Kejohnn are way too advanced for my mind – im not scientific, so I leave that up to those that know more than I possibly could.
So Ed, If you want me to back off I will ok, but maybe there could be things you can help me see too.Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,07:43) BD Quote If nothing can be known about God then how is it you know enough about God to question about God?
That is not the question. I am not claiming to know anything more that what you claim to know. So, how do you know what you CLAIM to know about god?Quote I'm not sure what you were asking with the common design question. But I would as a matter of efficiency expect the same principles to be applied overall. I also would expect commonality underlying great diversity.
Here is a reason why creationism is not a scientific theory. Apart from providing no mechanisms whatever for the magical spontaneous generation of life, it does not make useful predictions, unlike the theory of natural selection which does (I have given you the example of the predictions made about the Piltdown hoax).Natual selection is certainly not efficient: it is very wasteful and there are some pieces of absurd engineering that we are stuck with, because there is no forwards planning. The vagus nerve in all mammals goes from the head down into the chest, around the aorta and back up into the part of the neck that it ennervates. While that is a pattern of development that we commonly-descended mammals are stuck with, and the consequences are not really that problematic, in giraffes if means there is more than 4 metres of unnecessary nerve. Meantime, sharks have a nerve that goes straight from A to B.
This is evidence for common ancestry with modification, because more closely related mammals have the poor engineering while more distantly-related sharks do not . I’m not sure how you can twist it to being evidence for common design: creationism says nothing about what you would EXPECT to find. It just leaches off real science (or lies about it) then adds religious apology on top.
So, would you expect the same job to be done in the same way, with common design? I can give you a real scientific answer to that question myself, but I want to know what your hypothesis is!
BTW, Evolutionist have even caused physical harm to millions making false claims like the appendix is a vestigial organ when in fact it is part of the immune system.
That is absurd. WHAT harm? Do you not believe in peritonitis??
This article does not say the appendix is part of the immune system. It is says it is for storing digestive bacteria. That is the purpose of the caecum in animals that use it to store bacteria that digest cellulose. We don’t use those bacteria yet we still have the appendix that may have adapted to a new function, notwithstanding that you might have expected natural selection to have got rid of it as a liability. Perhaps the low frequency of appendicitis today, or its rarity in prehistory means it has not suffered enough selection pressure over enough time to be removed.
The Holy Wikipedia defines vestigial like this:
Vestigiality describes homologous characters of organisms that have seemingly lost all or most of their original function in a species through evolution.Not that the appendix does not have to be found to have NO function, it just have to have lost its original function. We do not need cellulose-digesting bacterial, so it qualifies as vestigial. I note that my dictionary disagrees with this definition, saying the organ has “atrophied” (true) or become functionless (probably false)
Now the point, not addressed by the article, is that the appendix will have killed far more people that it has saved, and that there is no case of any person suffering any ill effects whatever because of appendectomy, even those who had it removed earliest. The appendix continues to kill people today. Not only does it qualify as a vestigial organ (notwithstanding that it has been very weakly used for a different function, which is exactly how natural selection works) it is a dangerous one, that we could remove from every human at birth with no ill effect whatever. That would make more sense than what muslims and Jews do to the gentitals of their male infants. Is the foreskin “vestigial”?
Did you note the last line of the article?
“It makes evolutionary sense.”
I think you have to factor appendicitis into the argument to have it make real evolutionary sense.
Stuart
That is the question, because Atheism is a disease in which the main problem is not the disbelief in God but worse still the refusal to accept any evidence of God.Just like when I PROVED to you that VIRGIN BIRTH has occured and you would not concede, that is a mental issue when someone shows you clearly and you refuse to accept it, perhaps you have grandio schizophrenia
The evidence of a Creator is everywhere including your fingertips but the atheist doesn't believe in any evidence, If God was to speak to them Himself they would excuse it as some other phenomenon, they are truly like cattle try as you may they cannot gain understanding.
The more you try to conjure up problems the more you expose your weakness in knowledge. How is it you see some flaw with a giraffe when they are sucessfully living and their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly.
Yet they still face another problem while they drink water. Essentially, giraffes should have died of high blood pressure every time they bent down to drink water. However, the perfect system in their necks completely eliminates this risk. When they bend down, the valves in their neck vessels are shut down and they prevent excess blood from flowing to the brain.
This could not have been evolved If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living.
The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, giraffes unquestionably prove that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.
As Far as the appendix is concerned it helps safeguard individuals and the slightest pain in the appendix is a warning sign to alter the diet or in the case of eating something poisonous not to eat it. When the appendix is not present just like the tonsils people will get all sorts of secondary problems such as more frequent colds and allergies with the tonsils and other various gastrointestinal disorders with the appendix.
Do you still have your appendix and tonsils?
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 17 2010,07:40) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 14 2010,20:27) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2010,19:30) AKJV John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world (i am=23) is judged.
The prince of this world is 'i am'(satan; the son of perdition).AKJV 2Thess.2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
AKJV 2Thess.2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God=63(YHVH=63),
or that is worshipped; so that he as (i am)God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he(satan) is God.AKJV 2Thess.2:8-9 And then shall that Wicked (i am) be revealed,
Hang on, theres something a bit wrong there?
Hi EdAs requested, this above belief you have is where I have the most concern (its one of two),
Hi Karmarie,What is the 'bit' that is wrong there?
What has you most “concerned”?
And what does '”It's” one of two' mean?Answering these questions will be helpful.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgBD
Quote That is the question, because Atheism is a disease in which the main problem is not the disbelief in God but worse still the refusal to accept any evidence of God.
Go on then, show me the unambiguous evidence of your god.Quote Just like when I PROVED to you that VIRGIN BIRTH has occured and you would not concede, that is a mental issue when someone shows you clearly and you refuse to accept it, perhaps you have grandio schizophrenia
Virgin birth has never been shown to happen in humans. Looks like it is not me with the schizophrenic beliefs.The evidence of a Creator is everywhere including your fingertips but the atheist doesn't believe in any evidence, If God was to speak to them Himself they would excuse it as some other phenomenon, they are truly like cattle try as you may they cannot gain understanding.
But that is evidence that there are many gods, as many as there are people, each god signing its created human with its unique mark. It is evidence of natural selection working, with no gods doing anything. It is not UNAMBIGUOUS evidence.Quote The more you try to conjure up problems the more you expose your weakness in knowledge. How is it you see some flaw with a giraffe when they are sucessfully living and their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly. Yet they still face another problem while they drink water. Essentially, giraffes should have died of high blood pressure every time they bent down to drink water. However, the perfect system in their necks completely eliminates this risk. When they bend down, the valves in their neck vessels are shut down and they prevent excess blood from flowing to the brain. This could not have been evolved If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living. The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, giraffes unquestionably prove that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.
And why is that ‘impossible’ by non-divine means?Quote As Far as the appendix is concerned it helps safeguard individuals and the slightest pain in the appendix is a warning sign to alter the diet or in the case of eating something poisonous not to eat it. When the appendix is not present just like the tonsils people will get all sorts of secondary problems such as more frequent colds and allergies with the tonsils and other various gastrointestinal disorders with the appendix.
You really have no idea about this, do you. How about you provide some medical references to back up your claims regarding the APPENDIX (I never claimed that the tonsils were vestigial!)Stuart
Bad formatting again…editing rights would remove the need to do this…attempt two:
BD
Quote That is the question, because Atheism is a disease in which the main problem is not the disbelief in God but worse still the refusal to accept any evidence of God.
Go on then, show me the unambiguous evidence of your god.Quote Just like when I PROVED to you that VIRGIN BIRTH has occured and you would not concede, that is a mental issue when someone shows you clearly and you refuse to accept it, perhaps you have grandio schizophrenia
Virgin birth has never been shown to happen in humans. Looks like it is not me with the schizophrenic beliefs.Quote The evidence of a Creator is everywhere including your fingertips but the atheist doesn't believe in any evidence, If God was to speak to them Himself they would excuse it as some other phenomenon, they are truly like cattle try as you may they cannot gain understanding.
But that is evidence that there are many gods, as many as there are people, each god signing its created human with its unique mark. It is evidence of natural selection working, with no gods doing anything. It is not UNAMBIGUOUS evidence.Quote The more you try to conjure up problems the more you expose your weakness in knowledge. How is it you see some flaw with a giraffe when they are sucessfully living and their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly. Yet they still face another problem while they drink water. Essentially, giraffes should have died of high blood pressure every time they bent down to drink water. However, the perfect system in their necks completely eliminates this risk. When they bend down, the valves in their neck vessels are shut down and they prevent excess blood from flowing to the brain. This could not have been evolved If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living. The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, giraffes unquestionably prove that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.
And why is that ‘impossible’ by non-divine means?Quote As Far as the appendix is concerned it helps safeguard individuals and the slightest pain in the appendix is a warning sign to alter the diet or in the case of eating something poisonous not to eat it. When the appendix is not present just like the tonsils people will get all sorts of secondary problems such as more frequent colds and allergies with the tonsils and other various gastrointestinal disorders with the appendix.
You really have no idea about this, do you. How about you provide some medical references to back up your claims regarding the APPENDIX (I never claimed that the tonsils were vestigial!)Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,12:50) Bad formatting again…editing rights would remove the need to do this…attempt two: BD
Quote That is the question, because Atheism is a disease in which the main problem is not the disbelief in God but worse still the refusal to accept any evidence of God.
Go on then, show me the unambiguous evidence of your god.Quote Just like when I PROVED to you that VIRGIN BIRTH has occured and you would not concede, that is a mental issue when someone shows you clearly and you refuse to accept it, perhaps you have grandio schizophrenia
Virgin birth has never been shown to happen in humans. Looks like it is not me with the schizophrenic beliefs.Quote The evidence of a Creator is everywhere including your fingertips but the atheist doesn't believe in any evidence, If God was to speak to them Himself they would excuse it as some other phenomenon, they are truly like cattle try as you may they cannot gain understanding.
But that is evidence that there are many gods, as many as there are people, each god signing its created human with its unique mark. It is evidence of natural selection working, with no gods doing anything. It is not UNAMBIGUOUS evidence.Quote The more you try to conjure up problems the more you expose your weakness in knowledge. How is it you see some flaw with a giraffe when they are sucessfully living and their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly. Yet they still face another problem while they drink water. Essentially, giraffes should have died of high blood pressure every time they bent down to drink water. However, the perfect system in their necks completely eliminates this risk. When they bend down, the valves in their neck vessels are shut down and they prevent excess blood from flowing to the brain. This could not have been evolved If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living. The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, giraffes unquestionably prove that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.
And why is that ‘impossible’ by non-divine means?Quote As Far as the appendix is concerned it helps safeguard individuals and the slightest pain in the appendix is a warning sign to alter the diet or in the case of eating something poisonous not to eat it. When the appendix is not present just like the tonsils people will get all sorts of secondary problems such as more frequent colds and allergies with the tonsils and other various gastrointestinal disorders with the appendix.
You really have no idea about this, do you. How about you provide some medical references to back up your claims regarding the APPENDIX (I never claimed that the tonsils were vestigial!)Stuart
Evolutionists have long called Tonsils vestigial and many doctors have removed countless of tonsils and this is terrible.Appendix:
96. And Here's Why You Have an Appendix:
When you're sick, it re-boots your gut with good bacteria.by Josie Glausiusz
From the January 2008 issue; published online January 15, 2008In September, a team of surgeons and immunologists at Duke University proposed a reason for the appendix, declaring it a “safe house” for beneficial bacteria. Attached like a little wiggly worm at the beginning of the large intestine, the 2- to 4-inch-long blind-ended tube seems to have no effect on digestion, so biologists have long been stumped about its purpose. That is, until biochemist and immunologist William Parker became interested in biofilms, closely bound communities of bacteria. In the gut, biofilms aid digestion, make vital nutrients, and crowd out harmful invaders. Upon investigation, Parker and his colleagues found that in humans, the greatest concentration of biofilms was in the appendix; in rats and baboons, biofilms are concentrated in the cecum, a pouch that sits at the same location.
The shape of the appendix is perfectly suited as a sanctuary for bacteria: Its narrow opening prevents an influx of the intestinal contents, and it’s situated inaccessibly outside the main flow of the fecal stream. Parker suspects that it acts as a reservoir of healthy, protective bacteria that can replenish the intestine after a bacteria-depleting diarrheal illness like cholera. Where such diseases are rampant, Parker says, “if you don’t have something like the appendix to harbor safe bacteria, you have less of a survival advantage.”
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jan/function-of-appendix-explained
VIRGIN BIRTH
Has happened in other species which at first you said “no virgin birth has ever occured” then you changed it to “No human virgin birth has ever occured” The point was that virgin birth is possible and it happened in the case of Jesus Christ.
Scientists have confirmed the second case of a “virgin birth” in a shark. In a report in The Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,16:12) Quote He tells adolescent children they are smarter then their parents.
1) When it comes to technology, most adolescents ARE smarter than their parents!Quote He tells the same LIE to 'evolutionists', they are smarter then everybody that came before.
2) You don't have to be intelligent to understand the explanation for why we are here. It is really quite simple.3) To deny it, you DO have to break a commandment though.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,1) Are you inferring that if Adults received the same training as adolescent children they would not do as well?
OR
Are you inferring that if neither received training adolescent children would still do better?
OR
As BD has stated: are you speaking out of ignorance(lending support to satan's LIE
that he tells adolescent children that they are smarter than their parents!)?
Which then indirectly lends support to the evolutionary theory, which subsequently
indirectly lends support to satan's spontaneously combusted NOTHINGness LIE?
Is this not a similar example to your claims that BD believes things with no evidences only assertions?
OR have I missed the obvious (False) 'truth' of your smarter than their parents assertion?2) I would love to here you exlpain an alternative as to how life started; Stuart.
The dictates of Science says it takes Life to make Life, period!
1Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
John 1:3-4 All things were made by him(God);
and without him(God) was not any thing(living) made
that was made(living). In him(God) was life…
Therefore the Life that was in GOD(YHVH), started “ALL” “LIFE”!Looking forward to hearing your alternative to the spontaneously combusted NOTHINGness LIE?
Which then reconfigurations into life, thus gaining the necessary intelligence to become smarter than their parents?3) What commandment would be broken?
And what is the 'it' that could be denied?BD
Quote Evolutionists have long called Tonsils vestigial and many doctors have removed countless of tonsils and this is terrible.
And they get infected and have to removed, and the consequences of that are not terrible. You know absolutely nothing about it, do you.I guess you were not satisfied with me saying that I did not consider tonsils vestigial.
Circumcision, now there is an unnecessary mutilation without informed consent that IS terrible.
Quote Appendix:
96. And Here's Why You Have an Appendix:…
Yeah yeah, we’ve been through all that. Unlike you with my links, actually I read yours. Do you have a response to my response??Quote VIRGIN BIRTH
Has happened in other species which at first you said “no virgin birth has ever occured” then you changed it to “No human virgin birth has ever occured” The point was that virgin birth is possible and it happened in the case of Jesus Christ.
Scientists have confirmed the second case of a “virgin birth” in a shark. In a report in The Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.
We’ve been through all this too. Never in humans. Right??Islam: the religion for liars and misleaders, and those who believe that Jesus was a shark.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,14:48) BD Quote Evolutionists have long called Tonsils vestigial and many doctors have removed countless of tonsils and this is terrible.
And they get infected and have to removed, and the consequences of that are not terrible. You know absolutely nothing about it, do you.I guess you were not satisfied with me saying that I did not consider tonsils vestigial.
Circumcision, now there is an unnecessary mutilation without informed consent that IS terrible.
Quote Appendix:
96. And Here's Why You Have an Appendix:…
Yeah yeah, we’ve been through all that. Unlike you with my links, actually I read yours. Do you have a response to my response??Quote VIRGIN BIRTH
Has happened in other species which at first you said “no virgin birth has ever occured” then you changed it to “No human virgin birth has ever occured” The point was that virgin birth is possible and it happened in the case of Jesus Christ.
Scientists have confirmed the second case of a “virgin birth” in a shark. In a report in The Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.
We’ve been through all this too. Never in humans. Right??Islam: the religion for liars and misleaders, and those who believe that Jesus was a shark.
Stuart
What do you mean never in humans? This was declared about Jesus 2000 years ago, All your saying is that if mary had a doctor and the doctor said it happened you would then say it is true. Why do you even believe the shark had a virgin birth?You have the atheist disease: No evidence of God is valid to you.
As Far as tonsils are concerned the removal of them if necessary is good just like the appendix or the spleen or the gullbladder or one of your kidneys…etc Why is it you think that there are so many things that can be removed without killing the person or animal?
This is further proof of GOD. But I ask you if we don't need 2 kidneys to live is one vestigial?
Have sense
Ed
Quote 1) Are you inferring that if Adults received the same training as adolescent children they would not do as well?
OR
Are you inferring that if neither received training adolescent children would still do better?
OR
As BD has stated: are you speaking out of ignorance(lending support to satan's LIE
that he tells adolescent children that they are smarter than their parents!)?
Which then indirectly lends support to the evolutionary theory, which subsequently
indirectly lends support to satan's spontaneously combusted NOTHINGness LIE?
Is this not a similar example to your claims that BD believes things with no evidences only assertions?
OR have I missed the obvious (False) 'truth' of your smarter than their parents assertion?
No I don’t think I am inferring any of those things.Quote 2) I would love to here you exlpain an alternative as to how life started; Stuart.
I would love to be able to provide one Ed.Quote The dictates of Science says it takes Life to make Life, period!
1Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
John 1:3-4 All things were made by him(God);
and without him(God) was not any thing(living) made
that was made(living). In him(God) was life…
Therefore the Life that was in GOD(YHVH), started “ALL” “LIFE”!
Absolutely. Life begets life. Imaginary Sky Friends do not. Paul’s babbling (or the babbling of whoever actually wrote Timothy), and the assertions of this John (whichever one it was) contradict ‘life begets life’. You would think they could get their story straight, wouldn’t you. Maybe not.Quote Looking forward to hearing your alternative to the spontaneously combusted NOTHINGness LIE?
Which then reconfigurations into life, thus gaining the necessary intelligence to become smarter than their parents?
I haven’t heard of the spontaneous combustion reconfiguring NOTHINGness into life hypothesis. Perhaps you could describe it for me.3) What commandment would be broken? And what is the 'it' that could be denied?
Well the ‘it’is the explanation for why there are humans on the planet, the only explanation we have but the one that you deny. The commandment that you break in denying it is to be found in Exodus 20:16.Stuart
BD
Quote What do you mean never in humans? This was declared about Jesus 2000 years ago, All your saying is that if mary had a doctor and the doctor said it happened you would then say it is true. Why do you even believe the shark had a virgin birth?
I believe on the basis that there is unambiguous evidence to believe it. Unless you can provide such evidence for HUMAN VIRGIN BIRTH then you will have to be content with convincing those who have a lower standard of probity than I do. Hearsay reportings by religious zealots of the alleged sayings of an ancient Palestinian carpenter-preacher who may or may not have existed do not, for me, constitute unambiguous evidence. I have also provided you with the evidence that parthenogenesis cannot happen in humans because of genomic imprinting. It is you making the extraordinary claim without supporting it with extraordinary evidence.Quote You have the atheist disease: No evidence of God is valid to you.
Maybe we could test that by you providing some. Otherwise, as kejonn said, it is that broken record with the hit islamic single by the Oft-Disproved Boys. The B-side has the top twenty classic on the Iranian charts “Reality Makes No Difference to MeQuote As Far as tonsils are concerned the removal of them if necessary is good just like the appendix or the spleen or the gullbladder or one of your kidneys…etc Why is it you think that there are so many things that can be removed without killing the person or animal? This is further proof of GOD. But I ask you if we don't need 2 kidneys to live is one vestigial?
It is evidence that there are two gods, and each one provides one organ each to every human they create. Except for some organs, like the spleen, because one of the gods has agreed that he is not very good at things like spleens and so should desist from making them.They take turns with bladders.
UNAMBIGUOUS evidence please!
Stuart
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