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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,19:55) Satan's=74 so what do you say about that?
Hi BD,Good question!
'lucifer'=74 is satan's=74 name!
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I(YHVH) divide him(Joshua) a portion with the great,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out
his soul unto death: and he ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă) was numbered with the transgressors;
and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.The counterfeit god(satan) is limited compared to My GOD(HolySpirit)!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2009,16:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,15:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,16:26)
3.68421052631578947PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Great you should be able to figure this out, if you do you truly are “witness” if not you fail.
This is your test set up specifically for you since 2005
so what will you say?
Hi BD,The answer to your riddle is 420/114=3.68421052631578947
Now will you turn to my GOD(YHVH); and stop worshiping false gods?
Very Good 420/114I will tell you I am starting to believe your calling because this quest has been given to many and none has arrived at 420/114 including me.
AKJV Joshua 22:34: And the children of Reuben, And the children of Gad
(and half of the tribe of Manasseh (Joshua 22:11)) called the altar (עד [Ed]);
for [Ed] shall be a witness between us that [יהוה האלהים=117] is [“GOD”].Numbers don’t convey ideas; but numbers can confirm ideas.
(Reuben=65 Gad=12 Manasseh=80÷2=40) [65+12+40=117].PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Matt.18:16:16-17 But if he(BD) will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he(BD) neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.Your god(satan) fell from [Heaven.net.nz]!
Luke 10:18 And he(Joshua) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
This PROOF is well documented! Remember it's like Baseball 1,2,3 strikes: satan's OUT! He lost!
This is all PUBLIC Record now. I have seen Great Faith here! (Luke 18:8)Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2010,16:17) Muhammad is Lord=151 Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,04:10) Muhammad is not a “lord”
You are now mirroring the type of inconsistencies found in the 'book of fraud'! (2Cor.11:14 / Gal.1:8)
Stuart believes there is no God and you believe there is no satan.
But there is both! and it is satan (the evil entity) that has produced this blindness.2Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world(satan) hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,07:05) Ed Quote 1Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them
(BD and Stuart) which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.Interesting that you put us together in being 'blinded'. Satan has obviously used two different methods of blinding for me and BD, but it is curious that BD claims to worship the same god as you but you claim he doesn't. Wouldn't that mean that you were the one blinded by doctrines that stop you seeing your god as the same one as his?
I think you could really be blind too, because 1 Cor 4:4 in the KJV actually says:
1 Cor 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,If I wrote 1Cor.4:4, I meant 2Cor.4:4; thanks.
2Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.I'm sure if it came down to a choice for you between
My God(HolySpirit) and BD's, I already know which you would choose!Actually you are closer to worshiping My God, than BD.
All you need to do is to realize that he really exists.
You know better that to worship satan(the fake)!Your guess is as good as mine as how we can help BD?
God has put it in you to want to try, that's all we can do.
I haven't heard you say anything hateful concerning God.
There are many bible story's of people who question God.Matt.7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth;
and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.God bless you Stuart,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 06 2010,22:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2010,16:17) Muhammad is Lord=151 Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,04:10) Muhammad is not a “lord”
You are now mirroring the type of inconsistencies found in the 'book of fraud'! (2Cor.11:14 / Gal.1:8)
Stuart believes there is no God and you believe there is no satan.
But there is both! and it is satan (the evil entity) that has produced this blindness.2Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world(satan) hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
First of all I was just showing you how playing your numbers game I could add up anything you write about Jesus and use Muhammad to equal effect because the numbers come out the same.You are not only claiming your system works you are saying that your system doesn't apply outside your usage which as Stuart would say “disproves” your theory.
You say 5+5=10 but when I say 5+5=10 you say “I don't get it” how is that possible?
I will show you something very clear:
2 Corinthians 4:4 (King James Version)
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Now you said that God mentioned in this verse is Satan,right?
Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)
11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Acts 28:26-28 (King James Version)
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 28:25-28 (King James Version)
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Now who blinded their eyes and who is the God of this world?
And of course I believe Satan exists he would have to for you to say some of the corrupt misguided things you express.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:23-25So you don't believe that YHVH owns the world that He created? You believe that there is some other “god” real or fake?
You are still in the polytheistic Consciousness once you can become Monotheistic you will start to appreciate the SOVEREIGN nature of GOD.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,19:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Actually, yes! Because expressions of hate are real regardless of the target.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 06 2010,23:14) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,07:05) Ed Quote 1Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them
(BD and Stuart) which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.Interesting that you put us together in being 'blinded'. Satan has obviously used two different methods of blinding for me and BD, but it is curious that BD claims to worship the same god as you but you claim he doesn't. Wouldn't that mean that you were the one blinded by doctrines that stop you seeing your god as the same one as his?
I think you could really be blind too, because 1 Cor 4:4 in the KJV actually says:
1 Cor 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,If I wrote 1Cor.4:4, I meant 2Cor.4:4; thanks.
2Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.I'm sure if it came down to a choice for you between
My God(HolySpirit) and BD's, I already know which you would choose!Actually you are closer to worshiping My God, than BD.
All you need to do is to realize that he really exists.
You know better that to worship satan(the fake)!Your guess is as good as mine as how we can help BD?
God has put it in you to want to try, that's all we can do.
I haven't heard you say anything hateful concerning God.
There are many bible story's of people who question God.Matt.7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth;
and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.God bless you Stuart,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED,Everytime you speak of “other gods” you are showing your ignorance
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11If you now speak of other gods any longer after clearly being shown in the book you believe in that there is none other God, you will have no excuse with God YHVH
As Far as STU is concerned neither of us believe in “gods”
Stu is only a single belief away from understanding but you have to mentally defeat perhaps thousands of gods
STU does hate God and has said hateful things toward God if you didn't read any just look a little harder but the more STU hates God the more he will engage and that is the only way he will believe if he ever does.
If STU didn't belive in God at all I can't see why he would want to have lengthy discussions about what he thinks doesn't exist that seems a bit unstable, I wouldn't do it, that's for sure.
I would never join a site and argue about what I believe to “NOT” exist, where would I get the motivation?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,19:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Actually, yes! Because expressions of hate are real regardless of the target.
I am wondering whether that is your super-sensitive islamic 'submissive' brain reacting to what you perceive as hatred.Speaking as the alleged hater, hatred is not what I feel because it would be ridiculous to invest that emotion in a non-existent thing.
What is more reasonable to say is that I loathe what religions do to people who, for some reason, believe in gods.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 07 2010,09:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,19:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Actually, yes! Because expressions of hate are real regardless of the target.
I am wondering whether that is your super-sensitive islamic 'submissive' brain reacting to what you perceive as hatred.Speaking as the alleged hater, hatred is not what I feel because it would be ridiculous to invest that emotion in a non-existent thing.
What is more reasonable to say is that I loathe what religions do to people who, for some reason, believe in gods.
Stuart
Yes it is ridiculous for you to invest that emotion in a non-existing thing and yet you do it.How can you hate what religions do to people when they are perfectly happy with their religious beliefs? Do you want them to not be happy? Why would you feel the need to intrude?
Is it your goal to convert them to atheism?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:09) I will show you something very clear: Now who blinded their eyes and who is the God of this world?
Now you said that the god mentioned in this verse is Satan,right?2 Corinthians 4:4 (King James Version)
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)
11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Acts 28:26-28 (King James Version)
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 28:25-28 (King James Version)
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Answer to question: satan, correct.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (King James Version)
4In whom the god of this world(satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: Why do you reject the Gospel; BD?
Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)
11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Acts 28:26-28 (King James Version)
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and heir eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 28:25-28 (King James Version)
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the HolySpirit by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Now who blinded BD's eyes and who is the God of this world? satan.
Isaiah 28:15 Because ye(BD and the like) have said, We have made a covenant with death(satan),
and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us: for we(BD) have made lies (book of fraud) our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith [ I The LORD GOD=117],
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation “a stone”=74(Joshua=74), a tried stone,
a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies(book of fraud), and the waters shall overflow the hiding place(of BD).Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2010,16:17) Muhammad is Lord=151 Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,04:10) Muhammad is not a “lord”
Here Is the Biblical description of your god(satan) BD.
Job 41:13-14 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. (Job 41:1-43)Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2010,04:51) Keep it coming, until you have the truth, you have to accept
…or you will be kept in the dark.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:26) I told you playing this game with me you will either understand how you
should be honest or embarass yourself making up things that come back to bite youThe Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting the HolySpirit(Jesus' Father) as GOD.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2009 @ 06:13) Jer.50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware:
thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit),
it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32Your need to abandon your god(satan) BD and turn to My God the living God(HolySpirit)!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 07 2010,12:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:09) I will show you something very clear: Now who blinded their eyes and who is the God of this world?
Now you said that the god mentioned in this verse is Satan,right?2 Corinthians 4:4 (King James Version)
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)
11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Acts 28:26-28 (King James Version)
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 28:25-28 (King James Version)
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Answer to question: satan, correct.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (King James Version)
4In whom the god of this world(satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: Why do you reject the Gospel; BD?
Mark 4:11-13 (King James Version)
11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Acts 28:26-28 (King James Version)
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and heir eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Acts 28:25-28 (King James Version)
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the HolySpirit by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Now who blinded BD's eyes and who is the God of this world? satan.
Isaiah 28:15 Because ye(BD and the like) have said, We have made a covenant with death(satan),
and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us: for we(BD) have made lies (book of fraud) our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith [ I The LORD GOD=117],
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation “a stone”=74(Joshua=74), a tried stone,
a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies(book of fraud), and the waters shall overflow the hiding place(of BD).Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2010,16:17) Muhammad is Lord=151 Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,04:10) Muhammad is not a “lord”
Here Is the Biblical description of your god(satan) BD.
Job 41:13-14 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. (Job 41:1-43)Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2010,04:51) Keep it coming, until you have the truth, you have to accept
…or you will be kept in the dark.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:26) I told you playing this game with me you will either understand how you
should be honest or embarass yourself making up things that come back to bite youThe Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting the HolySpirit(Jesus' Father) as GOD.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2009 @ 06:13) Jer.50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware:
thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit),
it shall not be forgiven him; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Mathew 12:32Your need to abandon your god(satan) BD and turn to My God the living God(HolySpirit)!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You are deep in Sin brother that verse you Quoted was about LeviathanJob 41 (King James Version)
10None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
11Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
13Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
14Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
22In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
23The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
24His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
25When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
26The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
27He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
28The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
29Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
30Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
31He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
32He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
I'm glad you posted this bit of folly, you are truly lost brother but trust me if you read the Quran things will become clear to you.
You are still caught up in polytheism.
Ed
Quote 2Cor.4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of (the invisible) God, should shine unto them.
I like the way you take nonsense verse and make it even more nonsense by suggesting that a shining image is invisible!Quote I'm sure if it came down to a choice for you between My God(HolySpirit) and BD's, I already know which you would choose! Actually you are closer to worshiping My God, than BD. ,All you need to do is to realize that he really exists. You know better that to worship satan(the fake)!
By scriptures, both of your gods are unspeakable monsters, petulant, murderous, unjust and in my opinion immoral. Neither is worthy of human respect, and especially not of worship. Such a god should be on trial in the Hague, and shown the human compassion of a fair trial. That is what we do to other despot butchers, and is what marks the difference between a compassionate and forgiving attitude and the ‘divine’ approach that has seen between 2,300,000 and 32,000,000 humans arbitrarily smitten.If instead we go by physical evidence, then you really have to ask the question “What god?”
For all the posturing and assertion and lies about natural history and turning words into numbers seen here, there is not one single reason anywhere in these thousands of posts on the subject of god that supports the view that there is any such thing at all.
Generally aliens seem to only abduct and probe gullible idiots living in the Southern United States. God belief is an identical phenomenon, if more widespread.
Do I sound any closer to worshipping either of your gods?
Quote I haven't heard you say anything hateful concerning God.
Have you changed your mind about that now? Hateful it is, hatred it is not; that would be insanity.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,09:47) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 07 2010,09:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,19:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Actually, yes! Because expressions of hate are real regardless of the target.
I am wondering whether that is your super-sensitive islamic 'submissive' brain reacting to what you perceive as hatred.Speaking as the alleged hater, hatred is not what I feel because it would be ridiculous to invest that emotion in a non-existent thing.
What is more reasonable to say is that I loathe what religions do to people who, for some reason, believe in gods.
Stuart
Yes it is ridiculous for you to invest that emotion in a non-existing thing and yet you do it.How can you hate what religions do to people when they are perfectly happy with their religious beliefs? Do you want them to not be happy? Why would you feel the need to intrude?
Is it your goal to convert them to atheism?
Emotions are what one feels, and all I can do is tell you again that it is not hatred I feel.Do you normally speak for others on how they feel? Pity is more the relevant emotion really, for those who have been lied to by the religious. Lies about creationism specifically, but also about what constitutes reasonable doubt. The religious see themselves as absolutely right about the existence of a world about which, by definition, they can know absolutely nothing with any confidence. Scientists working with physical evidence and pretty straightforwardly obvious physical laws do not exhibit such pig-headed self-certainity as do those with supernatural friends.
I don't particularly feel the need to intrude when people have found a placebo that works for them: I am interested in a factual treatment of natural history though, so when creationists attempt to bolster their placebo beliefs by lying to others about science, indeed the same science that provides them with modern medicine and untold technology that they use without much thought, then I do think there is a question of honesty that needs to be corrected.
When a young person is coerced into stating acceptance of religious mythology under duress, sometimes by extreme means, then I think we all owe it to defend that person's right to freedom from religion just as much as we would all defend your right to believe in an Imaginary Sky Friend.
I think when the suicide bomber blows people up in the name of his religion, people have a right to be protected from that, if necessary by closing the religious school that led to the radicalisation of the bomber in a particular interpretation of that religion.
When a child is being abused by having, instead of an education, an indoctrination by memorising of a religious text full of concepts they have no mental apparatus to critique, and indeed are threatened with punishment for criticising, or in the case of some christian sects being kept away from their peers and denied access to news media, then I think to put it mildly, something needs to be said!
People are for the most part good. As Steven Weinberg says, it takes religion to make good men do evil.
I do not need to convert people to atheism. Firstly atheism actually isn't a set of beliefs to take on, it is more a state of freethinking about the world. There really is not much to convert to! There is only one belief held in common by atheists, in most other ways there is nothing in particular held in common. That is why there are few strong associations of atheists: they are not a herd of unthinking automatons, they are more like a herd of cats.
Secondly, there is little need for any converting in New Zealand: those identifying as religious (in the broadest sense of the term) are becoming rarer every year.
I am confident that the fewer ####-sure religionists there are in the world, and especially radical muslims, the safer and more just it will become.
Stuart
The automatic censorship in that last post is a bit ironic: I should have written cocksure (c#o#c#k#s#u#r#e), as one word but the c#o#c#k bit means 'god' according to my dictionary!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 07 2010,15:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,09:47) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 07 2010,09:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,06:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,19:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,18:39) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2010,13:29) Hmmm. What kind of person 'hates god'? I don't think even satanists hate god. Stuart
Hate is a form of rejection so it could be said that you “Hate” God. You have said many contentious and hateful things about God.
It is only you and others who actually believe in the reality of the concept of gods that makes it into 'hated'. You take offense on behalf of something that doesn't exist.What if I expressed similar sentiments towards all 5 metre-tall tortoises? Would you call that hatred?
Stuart
Actually, yes! Because expressions of hate are real regardless of the target.
I am wondering whether that is your super-sensitive islamic 'submissive' brain reacting to what you perceive as hatred.Speaking as the alleged hater, hatred is not what I feel because it would be ridiculous to invest that emotion in a non-existent thing.
What is more reasonable to say is that I loathe what religions do to people who, for some reason, believe in gods.
Stuart
Yes it is ridiculous for you to invest that emotion in a non-existing thing and yet you do it.How can you hate what religions do to people when they are perfectly happy with their religious beliefs? Do you want them to not be happy? Why would you feel the need to intrude?
Is it your goal to convert them to atheism?
Emotions are what one feels, and all I can do is tell you again that it is not hatred I feel.Do you normally speak for others on how they feel? Pity is more the relevant emotion really, for those who have been lied to by the religious. Lies about creationism specifically, but also about what constitutes reasonable doubt. The religious see themselves as absolutely right about the existence of a world about which, by definition, they can know absolutely nothing with any confidence. Scientists working with physical evidence and pretty straightforwardly obvious physical laws do not exhibit such pig-headed self-certainity as do those with supernatural friends.
I don't particularly feel the need to intrude when people have found a placebo that works for them: I am interested in a factual treatment of natural history though, so when creationists attempt to bolster their placebo beliefs by lying to others about science, indeed the same science that provides them with modern medicine and untold technology that they use without much thought, then I do think there is a question of honesty that needs to be corrected.
When a young person is coerced into stating acceptance of religious mythology under duress, sometimes by extreme means, then I think we all owe it to defend that person's right to freedom from religion just as much as we would all defend your right to believe in an Imaginary Sky Friend.
I think when the suicide bomber blows people up in the name of his religion, people have a right to be protected from that, if necessary by closing the religious school that led to the radicalisation of the bomber in a particular interpretation of that religion.
When a child is being abused by having, instead of an education, an indoctrination by memorising of a religious text full of concepts they have no mental apparatus to critique, and indeed are threatened with punishment for criticising, or in the case of some christian sects being kept away from their peers and denied access to news media, then I think to put it mildly, something needs to be said!
People are for the most part good. As Steven Weinberg says, it takes religion to make good men do evil.
I do not need to convert people to atheism. Firstly atheism actually isn't a set of beliefs to take on, it is more a state of freethinking about the world. There really is not much to convert to! There is only one belief held in common by atheists, in most other ways there is nothing in particular held in common. That is why there are few strong associations of atheists: they are not a herd of unthinking automatons, they are more like a herd of cats.
Secondly, there is little need for any converting in New Zealand: those identifying as religious (in the broadest sense of the term) are becoming rarer every year.
I am confident that the fewer ####-sure religionists there are in the world, and especially radical muslims, the safer and more just it will become.
Stuart
Once again you want to be able to control how others think, you are as guilty as those you claim are guilty of such. Your hatred is obvious and once again it clearly shows that you have either a trace of belief or a trace of insanity.Who sits around arguing with people you assume to be delusional? I wouldn't so why would you?
But it is true that many in NZ call themselves Jedis so a bit of insanity may be present.
You need to either completely reject God or stop being a hypocrite
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,13:56) You are deep in Sin brother that verse you Quoted was about Leviathan 34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
Hi BD1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
What law have I broken that you would accuse me of sin?Job 41:34…(satan) is a king over all the children of pride.
Why do you allow satan to be your god? 34=guess who?!
Your heart is so filled with pride that you now begin to make false accusations against me.
satan sure does have a tight grip on you my friend! Loose the 'book of fraud'.Your need to abandon your god(satan) BD and turn to My God the living God(HolySpirit)!
Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword (Rev.19:15)
shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent;
and he shall slay the dragon(Rev.12:3) that is in the sea. (Rev.17:15 / 2Thess.2:8-10)Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Rev.19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations… (Psalm 110:2)
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 07 2010,15:24) Ed like the way you take nonsense
both of your gods are unspeakableDo I sound any closer to worshipping either of your gods?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Unspeakable? Then why do you continue to speak of God.
Where do you think all ethics come from?
First you must realize He exists, before you can possibly be in position to worship.
Perhaps you need to hit rock bottom first? Everything in life is choice.
My God can arrange that for you if that is your choice? (Luke 13:5)
I suggest you make the right choice, but the choice is yours to make.Ed J
BD
Quote Once again you want to be able to control how others think, you are as guilty as those you claim are guilty of such. Your hatred is obvious and once again it clearly shows that you have either a trace of belief or a trace of insanity. Who sits around arguing with people you assume to be delusional? I wouldn't so why would you?
But it is true that many in NZ call themselves Jedis so a bit of insanity may be present.
You need to either completely reject God or stop being a hypocrite
How do I want any control over what others think? I would have thought it obvious, not least by my actually saying it, that everyone should do his own thinking. If it is insanity then that would have to be an admission on your part about the dubious nature of the alleged existence of your god.Delusions are interesting. That’s why interaction with religious people contains its own motives.
The Jedi Knight thing is a reaction to religious hegemony, perhaps even a counter to the remaining echo of the time when if you were a fallen soldier in war who had not specified Judaism or islam, then you got a christian cross by default. The Jedi knight response is not really big here, but is a popular idea in the UK, where the census question on religion massively biases responses in favour of christianity by assuming that you do have a religion: many people I believe answer christian when they really are at best ‘cultural christians’ and answer that way to avoid being thought of as muslim.
Of course the other problem with the census in the UK is that a head of household may fill in large tracts of the census forms of the householders, and in a traditional family, and again especially for islam, the head of the household just records ‘islam’ for everyone, where actually some members of the household might prefer to answer ‘no religion’ in confidence. Of course they run the risk of death for doing that if discovered, don’t they.
What do you mean I need to completely reject god? Do you need specifically to completely reject tooth fairies? Atheism is the default setting: it is not I who accepted the existence of a non-existent deity in the first place. I need to do exactly nothing at all about it.
Here is some Hitchens for you too BD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRtLUgM1OTA
Stuart
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