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Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Mar. 08 2011,01:51) t8, You have answered your own question a thousand times. You have said that Jesus is God qualitatively. This means that he is God in His very being.
WRONG.Theos and elohim are applied to others in the same manner.
That is the reality that you are unable to grapple with.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Mar. 08 2011,01:51) Therefore, when you say that jesus is God “qualitatively” you affirm that He is God according to Webster's second definition of the word “being.” You affirm that Jesus is God in His qualities and His constitution, that is, IN HIS VERY BEING.
Eve is adam qualitatively speaking, but she is not and never will be Adam.Many can be described as theos/elohim but will never be the Most High Theos.
Only the Father is the Most High.
For US, there is one God the Father.
For YOU, there is one God the Father, the Son, the Spirit.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,15:56) Theos and elohim are applied to others in the same manner.
Really?Is there any other “ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) SON” T8?
wj
KJ, if this is the best argument you can put forward, then you have lost.
You fail to address the reality of how scripture uses the words theos/elohim and adam.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,08:59) Really? Is there any other “ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) SON” T8?
wj
He is the firstborn among many.Ye are elohim, you are all sons of the Most High.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,15:59) Eve is adam qualitatively speaking, but she is not and never will be Adam.
t8They were “One Flesh” which means they are qualitatively human or mankind.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualitativley God or Godkind.
Why is that so hard to understand?
WJ
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,16:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,08:59) Really? Is there any other “ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) SON” T8?
wj
He is the firstborn among many.Ye are elohim, you are all sons of the Most High.
t8You didn't answer the question!
I will try again.
Is there or will there be any other “Only Begotten (Monogenes) Son?”
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,09:06) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,16:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,08:59) Really? Is there any other “ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) SON” T8?
wj
He is the firstborn among many.Ye are elohim, you are all sons of the Most High.
t8You didn't answer the question!
I will try again.
Is there or will there be any other “Only Begotten (Monogenes) Son?”
WJ
Hi WJ,You do exactly the same thing you see Mike doing.
No wonder Mike's repeated questions bug you so much!
You also want others to give you the answers you are looking for.
And keep trying, and trying, but to NO AVAIL! You can't beat someone into submission!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,16:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,09:06) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,16:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,08:59) Really? Is there any other “ONLY BEGOTTEN (MONOGENES) SON” T8?
wj
He is the firstborn among many.Ye are elohim, you are all sons of the Most High.
t8You didn't answer the question!
I will try again.
Is there or will there be any other “Only Begotten (Monogenes) Son?”
WJ
Hi WJ,You do exactly the same thing you see Mike doing.
No wonder Mike's repeated questions bug you so much!
You also want others to give you the answers you are looking for.
And keep trying, and trying, but to NO AVAIL! You can't beat someone into submission!
EdWhy don't you get off my back, please!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Sorry that my words seem harsh to you,
but I'm glad you do understand now!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2011,16:56) Hi WJ, Sorry that my words seem harsh to you,
but I'm glad you do understand now!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
EdAny understanding I have didn't come from you sir.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,16:04) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2011,15:59) Eve is adam qualitatively speaking, but she is not and never will be Adam.
t8They were “One Flesh” which means they are qualitatively human or mankind.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualitativley God or Godkind.
Why is that so hard to understand?
WJ
WJthe holy spirit is a thing that can do many things it can do what ever God wants it to do ,
Pierre
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,09:04) t8 They were “One Flesh” which means they are qualitatively human or mankind.
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualitativley God or Godkind.
Why is that so hard to understand?
WJ
Ask yourself the question why scripture says, “ye are theos”, and “Ye are elohim, you are all sons of the Most High”.Ask yourself the reason for giving others the title, “theos” and “elohim” that are not obviously God.
There is one God the Father WJ. This is obviously not saying that there is one who is qualitatvely called “Theos”. No, there is only one true theos in identity. That is the Father. That is what we believe. We are the 'US' that Paul describes. You are not by your own admission.
You are unable to understand this by the look of it. That means that you shouldn't teach at this level WJ. It is above your head. Remember, teachers are judged more harshly. Why risk a harsher judgement on yourself? It is not wise.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2011,17:14) Ask yourself the reason for giving others “the title, “theos” and “elohim” that are not obviously God. Highlights are mine but thanks t8 for admitting that because someone is called by the title “elohiym” or “Theos” that they are not “obviously God”.
So in other words it should be translated as such. It should be translated judge, ruler, men, angels, god or God depending on context, which (unless you are a Polytheist) means that if it is not referring to the “One True God” then like Paul said they are “so-called gods” and that there is none other theos (God) but One!.
Now, since Jesus sits in the Throne of God and having the rule of God by having all authority and power, and since all things are upheld by the Word of his (Jesus) power (Heb 1:3) and that by him all things consist (Col 1:17) and come from him to us, then please explain to us how he is not God or even better how he is not “equally” God in nature?
Please show us how we are supposed to see Jesus as less than God in nature, position and role?
Does any other so-called gods have his position and role or are any others “the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word…”? Heb 1:3
WJ
BTW t8
Since you are insisting that Jesus is like other “gods” when the word “theos” or “elohiym” is referred to Jesus, then let us hear you confession that Jesus is “your god”!
Is Jesus your god t8? If not, why not?
You call satan “the God” of this world yet you can't say that Jesus is your “god”?
Doesn't that seem strange and a little hypocritical too you?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:04) Now, since Jesus sits in the Throne of God and having the rule of God by having all authority and power, and since all things are upheld by the Word of his (Jesus) power (Heb 1:3) and that by him all things consist (Col 1:17) and come from him to us, then please explain to us how he is not God or even better how he is not “equally” God in nature?
He is not God because he is at God's right hand side ruling WITH him.We too can be at Jesus side and rule with him, so explain to yourself how we are not Jesus and wallah, you have the answer you seek.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:04) then please explain to us how he is not God or even better how he is not “equally” God in nature?
If he is divine in nature and if he has equality in nature, it still doesn't make him God.Similarly, if Eve has adam nature and is equal in nature to Adam, then she is still not Adam himself.
Adam was the prototype and Eve came from him.
We are told in scripture that Jesus Christ came from God. That doesn't contradict that he would have the nature of the one whom he came from, but we know that he is not that whom he came from.
John 16:27
No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:04) Does any other so-called gods have his position and role or are any others “the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word…”? Heb 1:3
Read what you wrote again.You said that he is the representation of his being.
It says representation, not that he is God.
Try again WJ.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,16:28) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:04) Now, since Jesus sits in the Throne of God and having the rule of God by having all authority and power, and since all things are upheld by the Word of his (Jesus) power (Heb 1:3) and that by him all things consist (Col 1:17) and come from him to us, then please explain to us how he is not God or even better how he is not “equally” God in nature?
He is not God because he is at God's right hand side ruling WITH him.We too can be at Jesus side and rule with him, so explain to yourself how we are not Jesus and wallah, you have the answer you seek.
t8I already have. But you have closed your eyes to the truth.
Will anyone or does anyone but Jesus and the Father sit in Gods throne t8?
It is a simple yes or no question!
You didn't answer my questions t8, why not? Should we put you on the hot seat?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:19) BTW t8 Since you are insisting that Jesus is like other “gods” when the word “theos” or “elohiym” is referred to Jesus, then let us hear you confession that Jesus is “your god”!
Is Jesus your god t8? If not, why not?
You call satan “the God” of this world yet you can't say that Jesus is your “god”?
Doesn't that seem strange and a little hypocritical too you?
WJ
I am not insisting that Jesus is like other gods just as I am not insisting that God is like other spirits.I am saying that God is spirit and that there are others that qualify as spirits, but not as THE Spirit.
Men, angel, Christ, idols, Satan, are all called theos/elohim for different reasons.
They are not all the same. The only thing the same is that none are being identified as the Most High God.Remember the difference between identity and nature/quality. Grasp that, and you have the answer and even better, you might stop repeating your misconceptions.
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