Just brought to my attention

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Mike

here is some to know ;

The righteous shall return to a blessed retreat: the gardens of Eden, whose gates shall open wide to receive them. Reclining there with bashful virgins for companions, they will call for abundant fruit and drink.

Quran 38:51-2, “Sad,” Dawood, p. 455

God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran….

Quran 9:111, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 203

As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rick silks and fine brocade. Even thus; and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.

Quran 44:51-54, “Smoke,” Dawood, p. 497

On that day [the unbelievers] shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell . . . But in fair gardens the righteous shall dwell in bliss, rejoicing in what their Lord will give them. Their Lord will shield them from the scourge of Hell. He will say: Eat and drink to your hearts content. This is the reward of your labours.

They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris [virgin girls] We shall wed them. . . . Fruit We shall give them, and such meats as they desire. They will pass from hand to hand a cup inspiring no idle talk, no sinful urge; and there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

Quran 52:13-24, Dawood, p. 370

THIS IS NOW FOR THE UNBELIEVERS ;;

Infidels, Unbelievers and Non-Muslims

Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.

Quran 3:28; “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 52

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Quran 2:89-2:90, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 13

Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.

Quran 2:286, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 46

“Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.”

Quran 3:148, “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 67

I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Quran 8:12, “The Spoils,” Dawood, p. 177

Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 2:190-2:191, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 28

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Quran 9:5; “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 186

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:73, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 198

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 9:123, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 206

Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: “Taste the torment of the Conflagration!”

Quran 22:19-20, “The Pilgrimage,” Dawood, p. 333

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

Quran 48:29, “Victory,” Dawood, p. 514

Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.

Quran 4:56, “Women,” Dawood, p. 86

Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.

Quran 5:33, “The Table,” Dawood, p. 112

When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Quran 47:4, “Muhammad,” Dawood, p. 506

Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy…

Quran 8:59-60, “The Spoils,” Dawood, p. 183

Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrong-doers.

Quran 5:51, “The Table,” Dawood, p. 116

Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.

Quran 9:28, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 190

The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Quran 98:6, “The Proof,” Dawood, p. 598

NOW ABOUT WOMEN;

Women

They ask you about menstruation. Say: 'It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you….'

Quran 2:222, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34

Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

Quran 2:223, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.

Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.

Quran 4:11, “Women,” Dawood, p. 77

Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses…

Quran 2:282, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 47

If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those [of your wives] who have not yet menstruated.

Quran 65:4, “Divorce,” Dawood, p. 557

[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.

Quran 4:24, “Women,” Dawood, p. 81

If you fear that you cannot treat [orphan girls] with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girl you may own.

Quran 4:3, “Women,” Dawood, p. 76

NOW ASK YOURSELF IS THIS THE PLAN OF GOD DEVOTE PEOPLE ?

Pierre

December 24, 2011 at 7:34 pm#269266

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would this mean that in India he can say the same thing to the Boudist and tell them that it is Bouda that they worship because Allah means god see my point ??

No Pierre,

Because Buddah is someone other than Jehovah, while Allah IS Jehovah.

I call Him “Jehovah”. Some call Him “Yahweh”. Others call Him “The Great I AM”. Others call Him “God”.

Muslims call Him “Allah”. All of these words are talking about the same Jehovah God Almighty, who created the heavens and the earth.

I don't know that much about the Muslim religion yet, but I know that their “Allah” is the same exact God as our “Jehovah”.

Asana, is “Allah” a form of “Elohim”? Is it simply a word for “God”? Or is it a personal name like “Yahweh”?

Mike

don't be duped, Allah is not = to Jehovah i will show it to you a little later ,need more time ,

do not bring the Holiness of Jehovah equal to Allah the god of Muslims,

remember that the rise of the Muslim religion comes from men not God and so is the Roman catholic church,

are those also holy with the name Jehovah ??

Muhammad was not a man send by God (Jehovah) he copy from the Jewish/Christian religion at his time ,

Isaac,said to Esau the brother of Jacob that there was no more blessings to be received Jacob took it all,

God made the nation to fulfill his will but this does not mean that those nations are doing Gods will to be saved from his wrath

Pierre

What I find amazing is your mind is completely polytheistic how many gods are there. God declares that there is no other God besides HIM so even to say “God of the Muslims” as if there is some other God is a horrible statement that Goes against the Sovereign nature of God.

If you were a true Monotheist and believed that there is only one God you could say I don't understand or agree with how Muslims worship God but you couldn't speak of other “gods” Is there some other creator? Some other that Causes all things to Be?

bod

there are many gods out there ,and the problem is that the true God as special demands that all men that do not want to be know because they refuse to give honor to that true God and so tells lies,

your prophet is Muhammad, this is your leader in the Muslim world

in Christ and his father the true God,and his prophet is Jesus Christ ,this leaves Muhammad out on the limp ,with no Connection at all to the true God Jehovah,

Pierre

December 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm#269268

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Hi Mike.

Allah may be a form of Elohim most linguist say it is because the languages of Arabic and Hebrew are similar but Allah means “THE GOD” representing the truest Title while Yahweh translates into something like “The one who causes to be” representing God's truest Nature/Name

The Bible says that the forefathers before Moses only new God as The Almighty or The God but with all the polytheism and Idolatry, God had to explain to Moses that HE Is the ONE that CAUSES to BE, no other can claim that personal attribute

In Islam the Idea carries over to say that since this One That Causes to Be is in fact The Only one that causes to be HE is the ONLY being capable of carrying the title and rank of “THE GOD” and in Arabic there is not even a way to pluralize ALLAH so there is no such thing as ALLAHS but in english we can say gods so to say ALLAH is a definitive statement in which there is only one you could be talking about which would be Yahweh or YHVH or Jehovah

Thank you for the info, Asana and Pierre.

Pierre, I haven't asked you about discrepancies between the Quran and the Holy Scriptures.

I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

The rest of what you posted is out of my realm of interest at this time, Pierre. I am discussing the death of Jesus with Asana, and discussing one Muslim belief with which I disagree is really all I want to tackle at any given time.

December 24, 2011 at 7:43 pm#269269

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bod

this one;;Sura #6

77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” …

He = Muhammad the prophet of Islam

Pierre

No He= Abraham

Surah 6

74 Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.”
75 So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.
76 When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: “This is my Lord.” But when it set, He said: “I love not those that set.”
77 When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set, He said: “unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray.”

bod

Ok ,now that you showed me in the Koran show it to me in the scriptures

Pierre

I did make it very clear to you that in the Quran you will find details that are not in the scriptures of the Bible Just as each “BOOK” of the bible itself does not contain all the information of the other books but what I will show you is this:

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Joshua 24:2
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.

bod

but those two stories have nothing in common ,

you are inventing your stories ,in reality you are degrading Abraham a man of God with the story of the Koran ,

it seems that people like to bring down that what they can not equal,
IT DOES NOT SAY Abraham DID WORSHIP OTHER GODS RIGHT ? YES

Pierre

I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.[/quote]
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I didn't say Abraham served other gods I said his father did just like what it says in the Quran even the Jews know this story and say it is true.

that is part of Jewish tradition ,the Jews like tradition,Jesus told them how bad they were to change the Law of god and replace it with there traditions

Pierre[/quote]
I don't think you understand that Jesus was saying some rituals they were doing was not based on the Law it had nothing to do with passed on oral history

bod

No ,i understand it quite rightly,you try to tell me that I do not understand it properly,but this is to gain control over the conversation and by the same talking diverting to what you want and that is to put down the scriptures and to elevate the Koran

so let see what history says about your book in witch you have put your faith in,

and the practice of those who are the believer in so called Allah ,

just remember their is only one truth AND IT IS NOT FIND IN THE Koran OR WITHIN THE MUSLIM FAITH

Pierre

December 24, 2011 at 10:28 pm#269275

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Mike

here is some to know ;

Quran 38:51-2, “Sad,” Dawood, p. 455

Quran 9:111, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 203

As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rick silks and fine brocade. Even thus; and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.

Quran 44:51-54, “Smoke,” Dawood, p. 497

Quran 52:13-24, Dawood, p. 370

THIS IS NOW FOR THE UNBELIEVERS ;;

Infidels, Unbelievers and Non-Muslims

Quran 3:28; “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 52

Quran 2:89-2:90, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 13

Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.

Quran 2:286, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 46

“Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.”

Quran 3:148, “The Imrans,” Dawood, p. 67

I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Quran 8:12, “The Spoils,” Dawood, p. 177

Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 2:190-2:191, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 28

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Quran 9:5; “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 186

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:73, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 198

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 9:123, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 206

Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: “Taste the torment of the Conflagration!”

Quran 22:19-20, “The Pilgrimage,” Dawood, p. 333

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

Quran 48:29, “Victory,” Dawood, p. 514

Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.

Quran 4:56, “Women,” Dawood, p. 86

Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.

Quran 5:33, “The Table,” Dawood, p. 112

When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Quran 47:4, “Muhammad,” Dawood, p. 506

Quran 8:59-60, “The Spoils,” Dawood, p. 183

Quran 5:51, “The Table,” Dawood, p. 116

Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.

Quran 9:28, “Repentance,” Dawood, p. 190

The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Quran 98:6, “The Proof,” Dawood, p. 598

NOW ABOUT WOMEN;

Women

Quran 2:222, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34

Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

Quran 2:223, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34

Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.

Quran 4:11, “Women,” Dawood, p. 77

Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses…

Quran 2:282, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 47

Quran 65:4, “Divorce,” Dawood, p. 557

[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.

Quran 4:24, “Women,” Dawood, p. 81

Quran 4:3, “Women,” Dawood, p. 76

NOW ASK YOURSELF IS THIS THE PLAN OF GOD DEVOTE PEOPLE ?

Pierre

As I said you really don't get it If I show you comparable verses in the bible which I can all you will then say is it doesn't matter because it is a copy, right?
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Revelation 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Unbelievers

Matthew 10:34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Matthew 12:49And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Women

Leviticus 15:19-20

19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean.

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. Eph 5:22

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Exodus 21:7-8 “And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her.”

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)”

It seems to me according to the scriptures you are using as a defense that you can go as far as to rape a women as long as you want to marry her.

It doesn't matter what you or I think about these things but clearly once again I have shown you that this is the SAME GOD

December 25, 2011 at 1:30 am#269290

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It seems to me according to the scriptures you are using as a defense that you can go as far as to rape a women as long as you want to marry her.

It doesn't matter what you or I think about these things but clearly once again I have shown you that this is the SAME GOD

it seems you still do not understand the God of the scriptures ,the Covenant was with Israel and no other,and those where the rules,

with Christ coming the new covenant was put in place so the old ones was disregarded ,and re based on stronger truth what encompasses the heart and spirit and soul of men,not only his actions,

but the Muslims are still with what they have copied from the Jews books ;and so are still in a carnal way ,action of the flesh,

Muhammad did not understand this at his time because he was carnal and brutal,so what you have with the Koran is totally CARNAL VIEWS OF MEN

and still live by the sword.

Pierre

December 25, 2011 at 5:20 pm#269349

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It seems to me according to the scriptures you are using as a defense that you can go as far as to rape a women as long as you want to marry her.

It doesn't matter what you or I think about these things but clearly once again I have shown you that this is the SAME GOD

it seems you still do not understand the God of the scriptures ,the Covenant was with Israel and no other,and those where the rules,

with Christ coming the new covenant was put in place so the old ones was disregarded ,and re based on stronger truth what encompasses the heart and spirit and soul of men,not only his actions,

but the Muslims are still with what they have copied from the Jews books ;and so are still in a carnal way ,action of the flesh,

Muhammad did not understand this at his time because he was carnal and brutal,so what you have with the Koran is totally CARNAL VIEWS OF MEN

and still live by the sword.

Pierre

I told you, you would have an excuse but why didn't you have an excuse for what I wrote about Jesus and what he said?

Matthew 10:34

You will make excuse after excuse and now you even disregard the entire Old Testament and Judaism but the funny thing is you already said you worship the God of the entire Bible so Old or New testament what was written was what was written

So unless you think that the New Covenant somehow allowed Adultery and other sins to be acceptable it's the same God

you say

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those where the rules

And call them carnal so are you saying God was carnal back then you make no sense this is the same God if HE has different requirements for different people then HE is still the same GOD

December 25, 2011 at 6:16 pm#269358

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Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

So was Jesus a Prophet or not he came after John or waht about the other John of revelation was he a prophet or not? And why in revelation it talks about a future prophesy that would be prophesied amongst the nations?

Hi BD,

Jesus is the son of God, something the god of your religion teaches against.

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

December 25, 2011 at 6:27 pm#269361

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I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

Hi Mike,

One of the 99 names of allah is 'allah the deceiver' …the god of the muslims 'allah the deceiver'.

B'shem

December 25, 2011 at 6:30 pm#269362

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I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

Hi Mike,

The answer is NO!

B'shem
YHVH

December 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm#269363

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2011,04:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:41)

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

Hi BD,

Luke 7:26-28 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.
27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist:
but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

B'shem
YHVH

December 25, 2011 at 8:52 pm#269390

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,04:16)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2011,04:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:41)

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

Hi BD,

Jesus is the son of God, something the god of your religion teaches against.

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

The Bible says also that Jesus is the son of David how many fathers does Jesus have? One day you will learn what a metaphor is

December 25, 2011 at 9:02 pm#269393

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,05:37)

I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

Hi Mike,

One of the 99 names of allah is 'allah the deceiver' …the god of the muslims 'allah the deceiver'.

B'shem

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Surely You have greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, Saying, ‘You shall have peace,’ Whereas the sword reaches to the heart.”

You seem to not understand that deception is STRATEGY it is not evil only an evil deception is evil look doesn't the bible say referring to Satan

2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

But then God says this:

Isaiah 6:10
“ Make the heart of this people dull, And their ears heavy, And shut their eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And return and be healed.”

and Jesus says this:

Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

and who is sending the delusion?

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

December 25, 2011 at 9:04 pm#269394

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,04:27)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,05:37)

I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

Hi Mike,

One of the 99 names of allah is 'allah the deceiver' …the god of the muslims 'allah the deceiver'.

B'shem

You are miserably lost in misunderstanding ad mistranslations

December 25, 2011 at 9:11 pm#269396

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whether you like it or not God does not have to answer to anyone for whatever HE does

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You had better get the understanding of Job

Job 42

Job
1 Then Job replied to the LORD:
2 “I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.

4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”

recognize who you are dealing with and see what your concept of Sacrifice(crucifixion) really means to God

Psalm 50:7-16

King James Version (KJV)

7Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

8I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.

9I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.

10For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

11I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

12If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.

13Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?

14Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:

December 25, 2011 at 9:26 pm#269397

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2011,06:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,04:16)

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:41)

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

Hi BD,

Jesus is the son of God, something the god of your religion teaches against.

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

The Bible says also that Jesus is the son of David how many fathers does Jesus have? One day you will learn what a metaphor is

Hi BD,

You show how little of the bible you really know.
Jesus' father is YHVH. (Matthew 1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)

Jesus' mother, Mary's father's lineage is listed in Luke 3:23-31.

B'shem
YHVH

December 25, 2011 at 9:59 pm#269398

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,07:26)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2011,06:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,04:16)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2011,04:18)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 24 2011,18:41)

Hi BD, who is the last Prophet?

Points #6 & 7: Since the time of JOHN, the last
prophet, the “Kingdom of God” is preached.

Do you still not know what this means?
It's father God(YHVH) in us, his Children!
You still need your own personal Pentecost.
Why don't you ask the true GOD into your heart?

B'shem
YHVH

Hi BD,

Jesus is the son of God, something the god of your religion teaches against.

B'shem (in the Name of)
YHVH (the everlasting God)

The Bible says also that Jesus is the son of David how many fathers does Jesus have? One day you will learn what a metaphor is

Hi BD,

You show how little of the bible you really know.
Jesus' father is YHVH. (Matthew 1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)

Jesus' mother, Mary's father's lineage is listed in Luke 3:23-31.

B'shem
YHVH

“shall be called” the Son of God is not the same as saying he is the Son of God is it? He also is “called” son of David is he David's son yes or no?

December 25, 2011 at 10:04 pm#269399

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Do you notice how the Bible avoids calling Jesus the son of Mary but the Quran makes this point clear

We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. ….Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87

December 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm#269401

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2011,07:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2011,04:27)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2011,05:37)

I asked if Muslims believe in the same God Jehovah that we believe in. The answer is “Yes”.

Hi Mike,

One of the 99 names of allah is 'allah the deceiver' …the god of the muslims 'allah the deceiver'.

B'shem

(1) Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Surely You have greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, Saying, ‘You shall have peace,’ Whereas the sword reaches to the heart.”

(2) You seem to not understand that deception is STRATEGY it is not evil only an evil deception is evil look doesn't the bible say referring to Satan

2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

But then God says this:

and Jesus says this:

(3) and who is sending the delusion?

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Hi BD,

1) That's because the people listened to the false-prophet Hananiah. Just like you listen to a false prophet.

2) Are you not indeed blinded to “the light of the glorious gospel of Christ” by the 'book of fraud'?

3) 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is about the “Rapture” delusion; perhaps you did not know this?

B'shem
YHVH

December 25, 2011 at 10:14 pm#269404