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Kerwin……YES brother, God is the “actual” father of Jesus’ flesh body and spirit. God the Father supplied his male DNA in the womb of Mary. He is the “only” human being, Fathered by GOD HIMSELF, through the human berth process. He is therefore the “ONLY BEGOTTEN” Son of God. Not a created SON but a BEGOTTEN (born) Son. The first to be born by GOD OF ALL CREATION.
Heb 1:5-6. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, thou art my Son, this day have I begotten you? “And again, when he brings HIS first begotten into the world, he says, and let all the angels worship him.”
peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Hi,
Jesus called himself the son of man.
This could also be translated as son of Adam.
He needed to tell us he was a man just like any other.
Gene,
Male is not needed when reproduction is accomplished by division and not by fusion. For example Eve did not have her mother’s DNA and Adam could be considered both the father and mother of her flesh and bone.
Scripture does not teach us the God was the father of Jesus’ body but instead teaches us King David is. Mary was conceived of the male DNA of David that flowed through the line of Nathan.
Nick,
Yes, and made from the seed of David according to the flesh is speaking of his human decent and not just his body.
Nick,
In regards to his humanity God made Jesus in Mary’ inward parts.
God fathered Jesus human spirit through his Spirit.
You know that spirit is conceived of Spirit and flesh is conceived of Flesh.
Hi KW,
Do you have any evidence for this claim that Jesus was vastly different from other sons of Adam?
Perhaps more speculation?
Hi KW,
Do you see evidence that Joseph accepted that the child was his biologically?
Mary had not known man.
Nick,
I see evidence that Joseph accepted that Mary was not an adulteress as he did not put her away.
The only thing I see is he accepted that Jesus was his son via a miracle of God and not though a father’s intent.
If God had created Jesus from a rock and told Joseph this is your son then Joseph would have done no different than he did.
In the circumstances biology become irrelevant.
Nick,
If Jesus were a clone of Mary with his genetics modified in order to make his gender male and whatever other changes God desired then he would still be no different than any other son of Adam.
We may already have the ability to do the same thing but if not then in a short time we will have. We can accomplish virgin births already though I am not sure we do.
We do as this article reveals.
Nick,
You really have to learn what speculation is.
“If” does not indicate speculation.
It is more like a given but one I do not assume outside the argument it is within.
I used it to point out the flaw in your own reasoning which leads me to believe your accusation is a red herring fallacy.
Kerwin…….scripture shows plainly JESUS is the ACTUAL SON OF THE LIVING GOD, GOD SPIRIT OVER SHADOWED MARY. No what do you think was taking place then, was not a conception taking place in the womb of MARY? SCRIPTURE SAYS CLEARLY THAT Jesus is the “only” begotten son of GOD. THE WORD BEGOTTEN means he was a human born son, of GOD the only one God the Father ever begot from a flesh union in the womb of a woman. Jesus is unique in that sense only, but none of that ever made him any different the all human beings are with reguards to a flesh berth.
God did not take a already prexisting existing being and morph him into the womb of Mary, or scripture could not claim he was a desendent from the loins OF KING DAVID. Mary supplied that link with king David, but God the Father supplied the rest of HIS DNA. So JESUS WAS in fact actually Fathered directly by GOD HIMSELF.
There is a scripturial reason for God doing it that way, he wasnted JESUS TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, as described in Isa 53:2 .
Kerwin why do you not believe that God the Father did supply PART OF JESUS’ DNA INTO Mary’s womb anyway? In what way does any of that change anything about Jesus’ life that adversely effects anything he DID? Through genetic splicing modern technology can perform the same thing now.
Kerwin, don’t you believe Jesus was as he said he was an actual son of man with GOD as his father? Peter was not lying when he said “THOU ART THE CHRIST (ANOINTED HUMAN MESSIAH ), THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. I really cant see your problem understanding what we are saying brother. NICK is right you are doing a lot of speculating so you must no have it clear in yourmind yet.
peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi GB,
MONOGENES is translated ONLY BEGOTTEN.
But the meaning is not quite as simple as you say.
How do you understand Heb 11.17?
Isaac was not the ONLY son of Abraham.
Gene,
Overshadow means it cast a shadow over Mary. In Mark 9:7 a cloud overshadows the disciples and God speaks from heaven.
Besides Luke 1:35 states it is the power of God that overshadows Mary so I was mistaken when I said it was the Spirit.
Hi KW,
So according to scripture God is the father of Jesus.
The child was conceived of the Holy Ghost.
Do you agree or do you find fault with scripture?
Nick,
The child was conceived of the Holy Ghost.
I do not know what you mean by those words as you have not given me context.
According to Jesus spirit is made of Spirit.
So do you believe the angel was telling Joseph that Jesus’ spirit was conceived of the Holy Ghost.
I understand that the angel was informing Joseph that Jesus was conceived by the power of God through the Spirit.
Luke 1:35New English Translation (NET Bible)
35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called the Son of God.
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