John 1 1-3

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,17:23)

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:59)

Go ahead and put your words into my questions.

OK, thank you. Mikes adjusted questions (by Ed J):
based on Post dated Nov. 02 2010,12:09 of this thread…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2010,12:09)

Starting Point: What I(Mike Boll) would say is…
THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.

1. And we know that “THE POWER” is referring to JEHOVAH GOD, right?

2. And we know that “THE WORD” was……WITH……JEHOVAH GOD , right?

3. And since it DOESN'T say “AND THE WORD WAS THE POWER”,
then we know “THE WORD” was NOT THE God JEHOVAH, right?

4. And since it further says “THE WORD” was WITH JEHOVAH GOD,
it is even further confirmed that “THE WORD” cannot possibly BE JEHOVAH GOD, right?

Hi Mike,

When I had a disagreement with POK, she said (in essence) what was wrong with what I posted?
I said, allow me to change the wording so I can agree, and the result was we then had agreement.
I know you like having a “point” by “point” discussion.I sincerely hope this will be the case with you as well!

I(Ed J) can agree with this starting point.

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) There is nothing to suggest this is the case?

4) There is nothing to suggest this is the case either?

Can you at least agree that I did not alter the intent of your questions?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1. Good.

2. Good.

3. One is merely “Power”, while the other is called “THE Power”. You don't see a difference?

4. One being cannot be said to be WITH himself. You cannot logically say, “God Almighty was WITH God Almighty”. It makes no sense. Do you agree?

peace and love,
mike

November 11, 2010 at 2:09 am#335221

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 06 2010,03:01)

Mike………….First of all it doesn not say it was JEHOVAH GOD, You added the word JEHOVAH their it say that The WORD (intelligent utterance) WAS WITH GOD (POWER). Just that simple Mike. why try to complicate it, by adding word that are not even there?

peace and love ……………………….gene

Hi Gene,

Is “THE POWER” that John mentions Jehovah God or not Gene?

November 11, 2010 at 2:19 am#335222

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 06 2010,15:17)

you have failed miserably to convience Me or EDJ or JA of any of your Dogmas. What actually your presentations show is how far the dogmas of the Apostate Religions of this world have taken over you thinking.

Gene, Gene, Gene………

Like Ed is quick to point out, it is not our job to “convince” anyone of anything. We can only plant the seed and water it. God either makes it grow or He doesn't.

Btw Gene, I have had no formal “teaching” from any religion. I have come to my conclusions based on actually opening the Bible and reading it…………….by myself. I pray for understanding, and then read 2 or 3 chapters every day. Tomorrow, I start Ephesians on my third time through the entire book.

Perhaps it is YOU who have been a member of a “non-preexistent” believing church for too long or something. I didn't know such a beast existed until Martian told me it does.

Gene, have you even read through the 39 scriptures in the Pre-existent Scripture Database? Can you really just “wish” all of them to disappear or mean non-sensical things?

Get ready Gene, for I'm about to “turn on the Light”. Watch for it in the pre-existent thread.

mike

November 11, 2010 at 2:49 am#335187

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:09)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 06 2010,03:01)

peace and love ……………………….gene

Hi Gene,

Is “THE POWER” that John mentions Jehovah God or not Gene?

Mike………..No it is Not YHWH, it was HIS POWER expressed BY HIS WORDS. Thats what created everything that exists including the Man who can into existence by his berth by Mary. Mike your problem is you still do not understand What Spirit really is. Spirit is INTELLECT and there are many of them , and When they are connect with POWER they produce and effect . The spirit in Us is connected with limited Power through our flesh it can and does animate us to do things. God consists of SEVEN DISTINCT SPIRITS and Jesus no has these Seven On Him and they are connected with Power, which he will use to execute God's WILL on the earth and Rule HIS kingdom with. God is what YHWH Possess. “HERE O ISREAL THE LORD (YHWH) OUR GOD IS ONE LORD (YHWH). If you can figure that (exactly) out you can understand what i am saying.

peace and love…………………………….gene

November 11, 2010 at 3:04 am#335223

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 11 2010,12:49)

Mike………..No it is Not YHWH, it was HIS POWER expressed BY HIS WORDS.

So John 1:1 says that “the POWER expressed by God's words” were WITH “the Power expressed by God's words”?

mike

November 11, 2010 at 4:43 am#335224

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MIke…………GOD = POWER, the WORD is what that power UTTERED. Let there be light and it was so. Get it? The Word with POWER issued forth from YHWH. The WORD WAS (GOD) and POWERFUL THEN RIGHT? GOD is Spirit and words are (intelligent Utterance) so (WORDS) then are SPIRIT (intellect) being spoken with POWER which composes one (GOD). The WORD is the EXPRESSION of the SEVEN SPIRIT of ONE GOD or POWER. The (Word of GOD) Or WORD of POWER are connected and are one an the same thing. . Just as your words and you are connected and the same thing. Example say you say i will go get the ball (you uttered those word ) but your Power went and got the Ball , can't you see they were connected. The source was the (INTELLECT) and your Body carried it out for you but you and your body worked in unison to accomplish that task. GOD and HIS WORD ARE ONE and THE SAME THING, Therefor the word was indeed GOD.IMO

peace and love………………………………………..gene

November 12, 2010 at 2:47 am#335225

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 11 2010,14:43)

Example say you say i will go get the ball (you uttered those word ) but your Power went and got the Ball , can't you see they were connected.

What if I said I would go get the ball, but didn't? What if I stayed my fat butt on the couch instead of doing what my words said?

Am I STILL the same as my words in that case Gene?

mike

November 13, 2010 at 4:39 am#335227

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Mike………..Yes it does mean you and your words are the same , your word were lies in that case and then so are you would be a liar, you and your words are one and the same no matter how you cut it. Because you word proceed from your mind and heart, I can't believe how far you will go to get you way Mike.

peace and love………………………………gene

November 13, 2010 at 5:31 am#335228

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,17:23)

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:59)

Go ahead and put your words into my questions.

OK, thank you. Mikes adjusted questions (by Ed J):
based on Post dated Nov. 02 2010,12:09 of this thread…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2010,12:09)

Starting Point: What I(Mike Boll) would say is…
THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.

1. And we know that “THE POWER” is referring to JEHOVAH GOD, right?

2. And we know that “THE WORD” was……WITH……JEHOVAH GOD , right?

3. And since it DOESN'T say “AND THE WORD WAS THE POWER”,
then we know “THE WORD” was NOT THE God JEHOVAH, right?

4. And since it further says “THE WORD” was WITH JEHOVAH GOD,
it is even further confirmed that “THE WORD” cannot possibly BE JEHOVAH GOD, right?

Hi Mike,

I(Ed J) can agree with this starting point.

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) There is nothing to suggest this is the case?

4) There is nothing to suggest this is the case either?

Can you at least agree that I did not alter the intent of your questions?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1. Good.

2. Good.

3. One is merely “Power”, while the other is called “THE Power”. You don't see a difference?

4. One being cannot be said to be WITH himself. You cannot logically say, “God Almighty was WITH God Almighty”. It makes no sense. Do you agree?

peace and love,
mike

Hi Mike,

Your point number 3 is very similar to what I have been telling you; CAN'T YOU SEE?
“The Word” was God(John 1:1): …God is “The Word” and Jesus is a “Word”!

In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74;
also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74.
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

(Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number!
(Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1)
“God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63.

This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics
The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74).
In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!
“The Owner” > “Owner “
JEHOVAH > Jesus
86 > 74

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 13, 2010 at 5:32 am#335229

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,17:23)

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:59)

Go ahead and put your words into my questions.

OK, thank you. Mikes adjusted questions (by Ed J):
based on Post dated Nov. 02 2010,12:09 of this thread…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2010,12:09)

Starting Point: What I(Mike Boll) would say is…
THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.

1. And we know that “THE POWER” is referring to JEHOVAH GOD, right?

2. And we know that “THE WORD” was……WITH……JEHOVAH GOD , right?

3. And since it DOESN'T say “AND THE WORD WAS THE POWER”,
then we know “THE WORD” was NOT THE God JEHOVAH, right?

4. And since it further says “THE WORD” was WITH JEHOVAH GOD,
it is even further confirmed that “THE WORD” cannot possibly BE JEHOVAH GOD, right?

Hi Mike,

I(Ed J) can agree with this starting point.

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) There is nothing to suggest this is the case?

4) There is nothing to suggest this is the case either?

Can you at least agree that I did not alter the intent of your questions?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1. Good.

2. Good.

3. One is merely “Power”, while the other is called “THE Power”. You don't see a difference?

4. One being cannot be said to be WITH himself. You cannot logically say, “God Almighty was WITH God Almighty”. It makes no sense. Do you agree?

peace and love,
mike

Hi Mike,

In point #4 your reverting back to your old words again.

In the beginning (of Mike) was Mike's mind,
and Mike's mind was with Mike,
and Mike's mind was Mike.

What I have written makes sense; do you agree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 13, 2010 at 5:34 am#335230

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:09)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 06 2010,03:01)

peace and love ……………………….gene

Hi Gene,

Is “THE POWER” that John mentions Jehovah God or not Gene?

Hi Mike,

“THE POWER” that John mentions is the HolySpirit!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 15, 2010 at 5:20 am#335226

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2010,15:32)

Hi Mike,

In point #4 your reverting back to your old words again.

In the beginning (of Mike) was Mike's mind,
and Mike's mind was with Mike,
and Mike's mind was Mike.

What I have written makes sense; do you agree?

Yep Ed. It sure does…………..IN BIZZARO WORLD!

Oh brother. You and Gene just kill me man.

I'm tired, but I'll try to hit this thread tomorrow.

mike

November 15, 2010 at 6:39 pm#335231

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Mike………When you wake up, think about this very simple scripture . “HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD (YHWH, OR JEHOVAH) OUR (GOD) IS ONE LORD YHWH OR JEHOVAH. Notice it does not say the God our GOD is One GOD, No it say the LORD our GOD is one LORD. Remember it say as for Gods there are Gods many, but unto (US) there is ONlY one GOD, that is the LORD, (YHWH OR JEHOVAH) OUR GOD. The word GOD is simply POWER , in fact this source is the Power that created (ALL) thing that exist and if issues fro the LORD (YHWH OR AS YOU LIKE TO SAY JEHOVAH). IMO

peace and love…………………………………gene

November 15, 2010 at 10:09 pm#335232

terraricca

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2010,22:31)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,17:23)

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:59)

Go ahead and put your words into my questions.

OK, thank you. Mikes adjusted questions (by Ed J):
based on Post dated Nov. 02 2010,12:09 of this thread…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2010,12:09)

Starting Point: What I(Mike Boll) would say is…
THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.

1. And we know that “THE POWER” is referring to JEHOVAH GOD, right?

2. And we know that “THE WORD” was……WITH……JEHOVAH GOD , right?

3. And since it DOESN'T say “AND THE WORD WAS THE POWER”,
then we know “THE WORD” was NOT THE God JEHOVAH, right?

4. And since it further says “THE WORD” was WITH JEHOVAH GOD,
it is even further confirmed that “THE WORD” cannot possibly BE JEHOVAH GOD, right?

Hi Mike,

I(Ed J) can agree with this starting point.

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) There is nothing to suggest this is the case?

4) There is nothing to suggest this is the case either?

Can you at least agree that I did not alter the intent of your questions?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1. Good.

2. Good.

3. One is merely “Power”, while the other is called “THE Power”. You don't see a difference?

4. One being cannot be said to be WITH himself. You cannot logically say, “God Almighty was WITH God Almighty”. It makes no sense. Do you agree?

peace and love,
mike

Hi Mike,

Your point number 3 is very similar to what I have been telling you; CAN'T YOU SEE?
“The Word” was God(John 1:1): …God is “The Word” and Jesus is a “Word”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

can you prove what you say from John;1;1-3 that” the word” means only power??

and that it is God not Christ can you do that???

Pierre

November 15, 2010 at 11:29 pm#335233

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To All! In

Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jhn 1:6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.

Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.

Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.

Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus was The Word of God(Spoken Word of God) aand He will come back as that

Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Now think, is there any one else that fits this description? I don't think so……Both God and The Word of God is a title. Jesus has another name also…..
Peace Irene

November 16, 2010 at 5:21 am#335234

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,15:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2010,15:32)

Hi Mike,

In point #4 your reverting back to your old words again.

In the beginning (of Mike) was Mike's mind,
and Mike's mind was with Mike,
and Mike's mind was Mike.

What I have written makes sense; do you agree?

Yep Ed. It sure does…………..IN BIZZARO WORLD!

Oh brother. You and Gene just kill me man.

I'm tired, but I'll try to hit this thread tomorrow.

mike

Hi Mike,

At least me and you keep the peace!

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 16, 2010 at 5:32 am#335235

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2010,08:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2010,22:31)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,12:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,17:23)

Hi Mike,

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:59)

Go ahead and put your words into my questions.

OK, thank you. Mikes adjusted questions (by Ed J):
based on Post dated Nov. 02 2010,12:09 of this thread…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2010,12:09)

Starting Point: What I(Mike Boll) would say is…
THE WORD WAS WITH THE POWER AND THE WORD WAS POWER.

1. And we know that “THE POWER” is referring to JEHOVAH GOD, right?

2. And we know that “THE WORD” was……WITH……JEHOVAH GOD , right?

3. And since it DOESN'T say “AND THE WORD WAS THE POWER”,
then we know “THE WORD” was NOT THE God JEHOVAH, right?

4. And since it further says “THE WORD” was WITH JEHOVAH GOD,
it is even further confirmed that “THE WORD” cannot possibly BE JEHOVAH GOD, right?

Hi Mike,

I(Ed J) can agree with this starting point.

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) There is nothing to suggest this is the case?

4) There is nothing to suggest this is the case either?

Can you at least agree that I did not alter the intent of your questions?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

1. Good.

2. Good.

3. One is merely “Power”, while the other is called “THE Power”. You don't see a difference?

4. One being cannot be said to be WITH himself. You cannot logically say, “God Almighty was WITH God Almighty”. It makes no sense. Do you agree?

peace and love,
mike

Hi Mike,

Your point number 3 is very similar to what I have been telling you; CAN'T YOU SEE?
“The Word” was God(John 1:1): …God is “The Word” and Jesus is a “Word”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

can you prove what you say from John;1;1-3 that” the word” means only power??

and that it is God not Christ can you do that???

Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Why did you insert the word 'ONLY' in there?

God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 16, 2010 at 5:36 am#335236