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  • #61289
    IM4Truth
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    This is Mrs IM4Truth
    John 13:34 “A new COMMANDMENT I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

    #61291
    NickHassan
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    Hi IM4,
    He died for those he loved.
    Ready?

    #61302
    IM4Truth
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    Nick Christ loved all and died for all, but there are some that don't love Him!
    Am I ready for what?
    Mrs.IM4Truth

    #61305
    NickHassan
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    Hi IM4,
    We must be ready to die for our brothers in Christ.

    #61319
    IM4Truth
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    Nick true……
    But the question is about the commandment Christ has given us.
    Mark 12:30 'And you shall love the LORD your God( anytime you see LORD in capital letters it is the Father)
    with all of your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength!,This is the first commandment.
    verse 31 ” And the second, like it is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
    and then He says “THERE IS NO OTHER COMMANDMENT GREATER THAN THESE.”

    what do you so about that?

    #61321
    NickHassan
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    Hi IM4,
    Jesus here summarises the OT law.
    Then he added a new command which you quoted.

    John 13:34 “A new COMMANDMENT I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

    #61417
    IM4Truth
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    Nick Please give me your opinion on this
    Christ came, not to destroy any Law, but to fulfill it.
    Hebrew 7:19- He came to become our high priest, no other mediator is needed.
    He is our high priest of a new priesthood,, therefore the law had to be changed too;
    Hebrew 7:11&12-
    under the old covenant or law you could keep the Sabbath without loving God. The Israelites kept the Sabbath out of fear; had they not, they would have been stoned to death.
    Under the old commandment you had to commit murder, you had to commit adultery, you had to steal, etc. to be guilty of that sin.
    Under the new commandment-Law- of Love, you have committed that sin, by just thinking to do harm to your neighbor.
    God wants us to Love Him and our neighbor because we do, not because we have to. If today we keep the Sabbath because we think we have to we are no better than the Israelites.
    Mrs.IM4Truth

    #61418
    kenrch
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    To all:
    One is not saved because he/she keeps the law.  You don't murder, steal or anything else because you are saved NOT to get saved.  The Sabbath is no different than any of the other commandments it is to be kept spiritually and not by the “letter” of the law.

    If anyone chooses not to keep the Sabbath then they will simply have to be taught while Satan is bound up for one thousand years.  It really shouldn't be too hard to learn one would just learn that the Sabbath pleases the Father once one learns this they should WANT to keep the Sabbath.

    If you LOVE your Father you do His will which is to keep His commandments.

    Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 7:23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

    One should do what they want. We want to please the Father but we war against our flesh, Rom. 7:25. Some side with their flesh easly because they want to please the Father IF it lines up with their own ideas and doesn't involve change.

    Even so:

    1Jo 2:27  But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything–and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you–abide in him.

    2Co 11:3  But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    I walk with the Father everyday but while on earth there are things that need my ATTENTION.  On Father's Day the Father gets ALL MY ATTENTION that's it!  It's a delight not a sacrifice.  Unless you really would rather work instead of be with your Father.

    The Sabbath really is the Love commandment.  You see the Sabbath is NOT written on our heart.  We must remember to keep the Sabbath. It's our choice it's not written in our mind and heart it's not automatic we have to REMEMBER choose to keep the Sabbath.  Personally I want to keep Father's Day.

    Mar 12:30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

    This covers the first four commandments.

    Mar 12:31  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

    This covers the last six commandments.

    If you love your Father you keep the first four.  If you love your neighbour you will keep the last six Commandments.

    1Jo 5:2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jo 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    IHN&L,

    Ken

    #61444
    NickHassan
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    Hi k,
    This is a new COMMANDMENT.
    It goes far beyond the OT commands.
    Loving your neighbour is one thing
    But dying for your brother is quite another.

    #61487
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2007,11:44)
    Hi k,
    This is a new COMMANDMENT.
    It goes far beyond the OT commands.
    Loving your neighbour is one thing
    But dying for your brother is quite another.


    I don't think Jesus was usurping His Father's commandments but rather How far should one go to show that love for his brother. How many times should we forgive our brother? Seven times, NO! Seventy times seven.

    You keep saying OT law Yet scripture says to keep God's commandments and even has the definition of love if we love God then what do we do? Break His law?

    1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    Seems that some are looking for a reason to make their unrighteous—–righteous by saying they are no longer under the law but under grace WHICH IS TRUE! If we break the law which IS SIN then we are under grace THE FORGIVENESS OF THAT SIN and not death.
    So to be under grace makes it alright to sin IS what those who claim God's law is done away with are saying.

    Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I can't help it if the sword is sharp and hurts some when the truth is revealed and sheds light on their intent.

    IHN&L,

    Ken

    #61502
    NickHassan
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    Hi K,
    Jesus said he was giving us a NEW COMMANDMENT.
    You disagree?

    #61534
    kenrch
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    Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

    And so in your opinion Jesus did away with the Ten Commandments with this ONE NEW commandment?

    If Jesus said it's a new commandment then it's a new commandment does that mean that the Ten Commandment law of God has been done away with by this “special new” commandment.

    The Ten Commandments address how we are to treat the world while Jesus here is speaking to those in the body. In that sense it is a new commandment.
    Does that mean that we are to murder anyone?
    Does that mean that we are to take God's name in vane /B]
    Does that mean that we can steal

    Does that mean we should make graven images like the catholics
    Is it now ok to liebecause of this new commandment?

    I really don't see what this New commandment has to do with the ten commandments.
    DOES THIS NEW COMMANDMENT NULIFY GOD'S LAW, Nick?

    ummmmmmmmm? :)

    Now Nick try to answer the question, won't you?

    IHN&L,

    Ken

    #61535
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi K,
    I said
    “Jesus said he was giving us a NEW COMMANDMENT.”

    #61537
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2007,11:16)
    Hi K,
    I said
    “Jesus said he was giving us a NEW COMMANDMENT.”


    I said it was a new commandment and I also asked what did this commandment have to do with the Ten Commandment Law Of God?

    You won't answer the question will you Nick.

    #61538
    NickHassan
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    Hi K,
    Does it affect any?
    It is a new commandment

    #61541
    kenrch
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2007,11:34)
    Hi K,
    Does it affect any?
    It is a new commandment


    That's what I thought :laugh: :p :) !

    #61542
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi K,
    It is you who assumed it would replace them not me.
    No it is a NEW commandment.

    #61546
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2007,11:41)
    Hi K,
    It is you who assumed it would replace them not me.
    No it is a NEW commandment.


    I assumed what you teach :) .

    So lets be clear the New Commandment has NOTHING to do with the Ten Commandments. It is a new commandment.

    Did you hear that MIM :laugh: :p :)

    In His Love,

    Ken

    #61619
    IM4Truth
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    Ken Very interesting, are you saying that we have 12 commandments now?
    Mrs.IM4Truth

    #61620
    kenrch
    Participant

    Quote (IM4Truth @ July 27 2007,01:32)
    Ken  Very  interesting, are you saying that we have 12 commandments now?
    Mrs.IM4Truth


    No Mim I'm saying to spite what people want to hear Jesus' commandment didn't do away with God's law the Ten Commandments that He wrote on “BOTH” sides of the tablets. :)

    The law of God was not nailed to the cross. What was nailed to the cross was the law that Jesus fulfilled, Luke 24:44.

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