Jesus was caught up to heaven in flesh body

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,15:13)

T; Quote K It is related to what you preach Christ being in the flesh,in heaven,or God his father being in the flesh trough Christ,this is wrong at best, It seems you take conclusions on only a small amount of knowledge of scriptures, Scriptures will tell you that God does not deal with unholyness what is men position, I see your accusation but I know Wisdom is known by her children.   We are taught that Jehovah lives in certain human beings through his Spirit annd that both Yawheh and Jesus dwell in those same believers and they in them.  Since we are taught them by God it follows they are true in some manner.   We are taught Jesus is a human; even the Son of humanity.  He even now; as the Son of humanity stands beside his and his siblings Father and God; who is Jehovah. Currently men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and can only be reconciled to Yawheh through faith in Jesus the Emperor.

K

Your wisdom does not reflect scriptures,And scriptures does not teach that God live s in men ,

First God s person his not find in men or any other creation,

If we men can not see God and live I can not see how we would be able to have him in our person ,wen the all earth can not contain him,

The spirit of God for men is what if it is put to practice lives in us ,what is his will for men ,to love and being righteous and holy,like he his,

You have downgraded God and his son to the level of man ,

I have no such a knowledge in scriptures of this.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
” God is at work in you to will and to do” phil

[kerwin]

T;

Scripture teaches that believers are the temple of the living God,2 Corinthians 6:16. Nick speaks of another passage. You speak of what Solomon stated in his speech about the First Temple. Perhaps the rest of the rest of the speech will give us additional insight.

Scriptures states one of the sons of humanity; even the chief one. With that testimony; why do you deny he is?

I confess Jesus is a son of God's Spirit; even the chief one. Do you disagree?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
And eph 2.18-22 explains it again.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,04:43)

Hi KW, And eph 2.18-22 explains it again.

Nick,

Yes, there are many witnesses.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,16:34)

T; Scripture teaches that believers are the temple of the living God,2 Corinthians 6:16.  Nick speaks of another passage.  You speak of what Solomon stated in his speech about the First Temple.  Perhaps the rest of the rest of the speech will give us additional insight. Scriptures states one of the sons of humanity; even the chief one.  With that testimony; why do you deny he is? I confess Jesus is a son of God's Spirit; even the chief one. Do you disagree?

K

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Scripture teaches that believers are the temple of the living God,2 Corinthians 6:16

2Co 6:14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
2Co 6:15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial ? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
2Co 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
2Co 6:17 “Therefore come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”

I understand it that we should not mix with the unbelievers because we are worshiping the true God and so are an image of the true temple of God were only holy worship is practice ,and so God can receive us because we are clean and holy

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You speak of what Solomon stated in his speech about the First Temple

I have no idea were you got this from please do not try to confuse others when YOU ARE CONFUSED

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Scriptures states one of the sons of humanity; even the chief one. With that testimony; why do you deny he is?

this again I do not understand it make no sens

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I confess Jesus is a son of God's Spirit; even the chief one. Do you disagree?

It seems that Satan/ know better than you and you say you are a believer ;
MT 4:3 And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”
MT 8:29 And they cried out, saying, “ What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

HIS CHRIST JUST “A” SON ;SEE,JN 3:18 “ He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

JN 11:4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it.”

JN 11:27 She *said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.”

GAL 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

HEB 10:29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1JN 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

2CO 1:19 For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silvanus and Timothy—was not yes and no, but is yes in Him.

MANY OF THOSE SCRIPTURES ARE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS ;SO i HAVE TO SAY THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD,AND THIS IS NOT PLURAL

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,15:45)

Hi T, ” God is at work in you to will and to do” phil

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[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,11:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,04:43) Hi KW, And eph 2.18-22 explains it again. Nick, Yes, there are many witnesses.

Kerwin.

The spirit of God and the lord Jesus, dwelled in the true believers.
The spirit of God dwelleth in his temple;God is in heaven.
We pray to our father IN HEAVEN.
OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN.

NOT: OUR FATHER WHO ART IN ME.right or wrong?

God has not come down to the earth yet, untill the new heavens and the new earth,when God will dwell amongst us.
Rev.21:3. 22:4.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

T;

Here is more of Solomon's speach about the heavens even the highest heaven being unable to contain Jehovah.

1 Kings 8
King James Version (KJV)

27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
28 Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken unto the cry and to the prayer, which thy servant prayeth before thee to day:
29 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place.
30 And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.

and

2 Chronicles 2
King James Version (KJV)

4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the Lord my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the Lord our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel. 5 And the house which I build is great: for great is our God above all gods.6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

and

2 Chronicles 6
King James Version (KJV)

18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built! 19 Have respect therefore to the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken unto the cry and the prayer which thy servant prayeth before thee:20 That thine eyes may be open upon this house day and night, upon the place whereof thou hast said that thou wouldest put thy name there; to hearken unto the prayer which thy servant prayeth toward this place.21 Hearken therefore unto the supplications of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, which they shall make toward this place: hear thou from thy dwelling place, even from heaven; and when thou hearest, forgive.

Here is more from the New Testiment

1 Corinthians 3
King James Version (KJV)

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Jesus is called the Son of man many times in Scripture.  You believe he is the Son of God's body because he is called the Son of God but you deny he is the Son of man's body even though he is also called the Son of man.  In this you are inconsistent.

Matthew 12:40
King James Version (KJV)

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

and

Matthew 13:41
King James Version (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

and

Acts 7:56
King James Version (KJV)

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

God is Spirit and his children are the offspring of his Spirit.

Romans 8:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

and

Galatians 4:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

and

Mark 14:36
King James Version (KJV)

36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

[kerwin]

Wakeup

Jesus did teach us to pray saying our Father who is in heaven; but he also teaches us that Jehovah is in him and he is in Jehovah; even when he was on earth, John 14:10.  It is Jesus that petitioned God the he and Yawheh would come to dwell in believers and believers in them, John 17:21.  

It is taught that God will come to dwell with his people but it also taught that he dwells in believers through his Spirit,Ephesians 2:22.

[terraricca]

K and N

it seems that you know but do not learn ,because you do not practice ,you do not practice because you do not love Christ or God ,and so do not believe ,and because you do not believe the truth does not reach you,

I always like to construct ,and scriptures talk s about construction ;;;

MT 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
MT 7:26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.

Lk 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
Lk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice.
LK 6:48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.
LK 6:49 “But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”

1CO 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
1CO 3:11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1CO 3:12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,

EPH 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
EPH 2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
1TI 6:19 storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.

2TI 2:19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “ The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “ Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”

HEB 6:1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

so now that or if we have set those foundation in place we should be ready to build the next floor or elevation ,this does not mean that we can lay the foundation away ,after all they are the foundation that hold all the house ,and so the house has to be related to those foundation if not it will not stand ,

it is important to know all the components to make that house because they are many,BUT ANY WICKEDNESS IS NO PART OF IT ;;

NOT EVEN A SMALL LIE,;THEIR IS NO SUCH A THING AS SMALL LIE ,IT IS A LIE OR A TRUTH ,A MISTAKE IF RECOGNIZED IS NOT A LIE ,

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
We have a judge.
Keep focussed on your problems

[kerwin]

T;

Jesus teaches us how to receive and live by the Spirit and empowered us to do so by his self-sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension to sit on his throne.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,16:06)

Hi T, We have a judge. Keep focussed on your problems

n

ALL I HAVE MENTION IS IN THE SCRIPTURES IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT THIS IS YOUR AFFAIR

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,22:19)

T; Jesus teaches us how to receive and live by the Spirit and empowered us to do so by his self-sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension to sit on his throne.

k

Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

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Jesus teaches us how to receive and live by the Spirit

WAS IT JESUS THAT HAS TEACH YOU KERWIN

WHY IS IT THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PRESENT THING IN AN UNTRUE FASHION,ONLY THE DISCIPLES HAVE BEEN TEACH BY CHRIST ,THIS IS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING .

[kerwin]

T;

Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth?

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2012,00:57)

T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth?

K

I know of only one way Christ has ever teach anyone ,and that is IN Truth, is that what you are doing

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,13:03)

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2012,00:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? K I know of only one way Christ has ever teach anyone ,and that is IN Truth, is that what you are doing

T;

I only do what I see my Lord and his servants doing though I am but a student that is also still learning from them.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2012,14:01)

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2012,13:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2012,00:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? K I know of only one way Christ has ever teach anyone ,and that is IN Truth, is that what you are doing T; I only do what I see my Lord and his servants doing though I am but a student that is also still learning from them.

k

YOU CAN NOT SEE CHRIST and GOD and you can not relly on men

so what is left ? the scriptures ,Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,their written words to help us to believe trough their witnessing

so if you are still a student why are you teaching and more given misleading comments is this believing in the message of those who witness Christ

i do not think so.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57)

T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth?

Kewin.

Are you a pastor of some church?

wakeup.

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