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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2012,20:01) Hi KW,
The spirit that left Jesus at Calvary?
The spirit that returns to God?
That is just borrowed life.
You mean the soul?
Nick……….A “LIVING SOUL is a BODY with SPIRIT (IN) it, It just depends what Kind or type of Spiirt is working (IN) that Body.peace and love…………………………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,02:37) Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2012,13:46) K born mean beginning of ……just as dead means the END OF THINGS
birth is the beginning of life action…..
so born again would mean restart in a new direction what in this case is going from following the flesh desires to live according to the spirit (Gods will)
T;What you say it true as far as it goes but Jesus was teaching that righteousness and holiness is procreated by Spirit; as it is spirit; while Nicodemus was looking at it from the worldly point of view.
Kthere is no PROCREATION ,the spirit was always their but could not been accessed by any one ,ONLY WHEN CHRIST CAME AND PAID THE RANSOM IT WAS NOW GIVEN,NOT PROCREATED
Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2012,05:53) Wakeup; There is no marriage or giving in marriage in the World To Come. Jesus is called both the Son of man and the Son of David; even at the present time.
Kerwin.
yes,there is no marriage in the world to come.
My question is still valid: what would be the three ex husbands to this woman in the new world? Is there male and female in the new world?God is spirit,that is for sure,and to you ; his children are flesh,this is what you are really saying.
is that correct?We know that the world would melt with fervent heat: so how can flesh survive?
wakeup.
hi KW,
A living soul is a body with a spirit in it?
I thought this must be your idea.But we are SOULS and the word SOUL occurs extremely often in all of scripture
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2012,15:01) Hi KW,
The spirit that left Jesus at Calvary?
The spirit that returns to God?
That is just borrowed life.
You mean the soul?
Nick;The soul is that which either hungers and thirsts for righteousness or loves sin; just as it is written:
Psalm 42:1
King James Version (KJV)42 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.
The spirit bears fruit; and so feeds the soul. One who loves righteousness delights in the fruit of righteousness.
I am not presently sure if it is the soul or the spirit that is taught but Jesus' words that spirit is begotten of Spirit is evidence it is the spirit that is taught.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2012,02:32) hi KW,
A living soul is a body with a spirit in it?
I thought this must be your idea.But we are SOULS and the word SOUL occurs extremely often in all of scripture
Nick;I believe you are speaking to Gene and not me.
Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2012,00:39) Mike; It is not true. He is instead speaking of being procreated-again just as Peter teaches in these two Scriptures.
Kerwin,Flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. Jesus teaches it, and Paul teaches it.
Also, Jesus became a spirit, according to scriptures. And Jesus himself told us that spirits DON'T HAVE flesh and bone.
These are the things I will believe. You can suit yourself.
peace,
mikeT;
Quote there is no PROCREATION ,the spirit was always their but could not been accessed by any one ,ONLY WHEN CHRIST CAME AND PAID THE RANSOM IT WAS NOW GIVEN,NOT PROCREATED I invited you to do some research on the Ancient Greek word “gennaó” which is translated “born” in John 3:6 but begat in other places. Procreate would cover both choices as well when the verb is middle. The bottom line is Jesus states flesh “gennaó” flesh and spirit “”gennaó” spirit; and to say it does not is calling him a liar.
Elsewhere we are taught:
John 14:26
King James Version (KJV)26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
and
1 John 2:27
New International Version (NIV)27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
and
Ephesians 4:24
New International Version (NIV)24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
These various verses use the different words “born”, “teach”, and “create” to mean the same thing.
The Holy Spirit; which procreates; does the creating/teaching.
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,17:42) T; Quote there is no PROCREATION ,the spirit was always their but could not been accessed by any one ,ONLY WHEN CHRIST CAME AND PAID THE RANSOM IT WAS NOW GIVEN,NOT PROCREATED I invited you to do some research on the Ancient Greek word “gennaó” which is translated “born” in John 3:6 but begat in other places. Procreate would cover both choices as well when the verb is middle. The bottom line is Jesus states flesh “gennaó” flesh and spirit “”gennaó” spirit; and to say it does not is calling him a liar.
Elsewhere we are taught:
John 14:26
King James Version (KJV)26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
and
1 John 2:27
New International Version (NIV)27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
and
Ephesians 4:24
New International Version (NIV)24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
These various verses use the different words “born”, “teach”, and “create” to mean the same thing.
The Holy Spirit; which procreates; does the creating/teaching.
KJn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CHRIST SAYS
Mal 4:1 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the LORD Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.
Mal 4:2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.
Mal 4:3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things,” says the LORD Almighty.DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SCRIPTURES???
Joel 2:2 a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness.
Like dawn spreading across the mountains
a large and mighty army comes,
such as never was of old
nor ever will be in ages to come.Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours,
behind them a flame blazes.
Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
behind them, a desert waste—
nothing escapes them.DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE SCRIPTURES
those are the scriptures that do not agree with your statement and wording you using ,and there are many more ,
T;
I am pointing out that the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit; and “the sun of righteousness” procreates a new man in those that believe. That man is spirit and not flesh as I speak of the inner man and not the outer man; which is restored to God at a different time.
There is a Day of Judgement when those reject the sound teaching will be destroyed but the man of faith will withstand; as did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego withstood the fiery furnace.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2012,01:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2012,05:53) Wakeup; There is no marriage or giving in marriage in the World To Come. Jesus is called both the Son of man and the Son of David; even at the present time.
Kerwin.
yes,there is no marriage in the world to come.
My question is still valid: what would be the three ex husbands to this woman in the new world? Is there male and female in the new world?God is spirit,that is for sure,and to you ; his children are flesh,this is what you are really saying.
is that correct?We know that the world would melt with fervent heat: so how can flesh survive?
wakeup.
Wakeup;Genesis 1:27
King James Version (KJV)27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
and
Genesis 2:18
King James Version (KJV)18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
and
Matthew 19:28
King James Version (KJV)28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
God is Love and his children are love but bear flesh.
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,18:45) T; I am pointing out that the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit; and “the sun of righteousness” procreates a new man in those that believe. That man is spirit and not flesh as I speak of the inner man and not the outer man; which is restored to God at a different time.
There is a Day of Judgement when those reject the sound teaching will be destroyed but the man of faith will withstand; as did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego withstood the fiery furnace.
Konly 144k will be a new creation all others will be renewed within there soul ,and their is no literal recreation but renew ,reborn ,
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn .
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2012,07:10) Hi KW,
The inner man is made new.
Renewed in his mind.
Nick;Yes; he has the same mindset as Jesus Christ.
Quote (terraricca @ June 13 2012,07:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,18:45) T; I am pointing out that the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit; and “the sun of righteousness” procreates a new man in those that believe. That man is spirit and not flesh as I speak of the inner man and not the outer man; which is restored to God at a different time.
There is a Day of Judgement when those reject the sound teaching will be destroyed but the man of faith will withstand; as did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego withstood the fiery furnace.
Konly 144k will be a new creation all others will be renewed within there soul ,and their is no literal recreation but renew ,reborn ,
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn .
T;What you write is not written. All those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will receive the Spirit of God and put on the new man by faith. All those that do not hunger and thirst will be destroyed because they love sin.
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,19:57) Quote (terraricca @ June 13 2012,07:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,18:45) T; I am pointing out that the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit; and “the sun of righteousness” procreates a new man in those that believe. That man is spirit and not flesh as I speak of the inner man and not the outer man; which is restored to God at a different time.
There is a Day of Judgement when those reject the sound teaching will be destroyed but the man of faith will withstand; as did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego withstood the fiery furnace.
Konly 144k will be a new creation all others will be renewed within there soul ,and their is no literal recreation but renew ,reborn ,
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
Col 2:14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn .
T;What you write is not written. All those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will receive the Spirit of God and put on the new man by faith. All those that do not hunger and thirst will be destroyed because they love sin.
kYOU SHOULD SLOW DOWN AND READ WHAT i SAY,
receiving the spirit is not being transform in to the likeness of Christ and live with him as a spirit being
T;
I apologize as all read was what you stated about the 144,000.
You also wrote:
Quote it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn . God's grace of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit; which procreates, teaches, creates the new man we are instructed to put on.
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,22:29) T; I apologize as all read was what you stated about the 144,000.
You also wrote:
Quote it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn . God's grace of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit; which procreates, teaches, creates the new man we are instructed to put on.
KThe covenant that Christ made with his apostles and the 144k is not the same as for receiving life it is but as for going to heaven it is not,
The grace is for our life,nothing else ,but the 144k have some thing more,
Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,22:29) T; I apologize as all read was what you stated about the 144,000.
You also wrote:
Quote it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn . God's grace of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit; which procreates, teaches, creates the new man we are instructed to put on.
KShow me this in the scriptures !that the grace is the holy spirit
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