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NickHassan
ParticipantHi H,
Had God really forsaken David or is that how he was feeling?June 13, 2006 at 1:08 am#14901He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantNick, Psalms 22 is not about David.
June 13, 2006 at 1:27 am#14904NickHassan
ParticipantHi H,
So was he only in prophetic mode when he penned it or did it have the usual dual meaning?June 13, 2006 at 1:53 am#14913He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantYou tell me?
June 13, 2006 at 1:55 am#14915NickHassan
Participantdual
June 13, 2006 at 1:56 am#14917He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantYou think? Prove it.
June 13, 2006 at 2:00 am#14919NickHassan
ParticipantHi H,
Do your own research .June 13, 2006 at 2:04 am#14920He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantI already know the answer.
June 13, 2006 at 5:46 am#14954david
Participantok, fine, I'll do the research. Give me a minute.
david.
June 13, 2006 at 8:59 am#14956NickHassan
ParticipantHi,
Joshua 1.5
“No man will be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I have been with Moses I will be with you;I will not fail you or forsake you”God did not forsake Joshua.
Would he forsake His own Son?June 14, 2006 at 1:05 am#15014He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantWhen Jesus became our sin, God could not be with the Son. If that is forsaking, I don't know what it is. If the Father did not turn from the son, the son would not have said, Father, why hast thou forsaken me. Yet, this was only to his death.
June 14, 2006 at 4:59 am#15023NickHassan
ParticipantHi H,
I guess we have to look to the scapegoat and it's destiny to understand what happened with Christ. Who else can help here?.June 14, 2006 at 8:55 am#15024NickHassan
ParticipantHi,
Lev 16.2 f
“Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for the scapegoat. Then Aaron shall offer the goat on which the lot for the Lord fell and make it a sin offering. But the goat on which the lot for the scapegoat fell shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, to send it into the wilderness as a scapegoat..
…Then he shall slaughter the goat of the sin offering which is for the people, and bring it's blood inside the veil….
…Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness. The goat shall bear on itself all the iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat into the wilderness”Did someone say the goat always died soon after by falling from a cliff? I do not know but I heard something like that somewhere.
Anyway it is a type of the desolation of the Son of God as the goat is sent from the temple bearing disgrace so also the Son at least felt desolate and alone. What do others think?
June 14, 2006 at 9:03 am#15025NickHassan
ParticipantHi,
The slain goat also seems to be a type of the Son of God offered as a sin offering. It is almost surprising to me that the type of “scapegoat” is never applied directly to Jesus in the New Testament.
Perhaps the lamb is too strongly associated with him and sheep and goats have opposite meanings in Matt 25?June 15, 2006 at 2:14 am#15061He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantThey humiliated him. He could have with one word spoke them out of
existance. Yet, he didn't. He was punched all over his body. They
pulled pieces of his bread. They took a wipe and beat him so badly
that he was so weak, they had to get someone to carry his cross the
rest of the way to calvary. They took a crown of thorns and punctured
several places on his head as they forced it on him. He was taken and
stood in front of his own people abd they chose a murdered over him
and yelled that he be crucified. He was beaten so badly that he was
unrecognizable. And he said, while nailed to the cross, ” Father,
forgive them, for they know not what they do.”June 15, 2006 at 3:07 am#15069NickHassan
ParticipantHi,
Perhaps Is 1.18 can help here with the scapegoat aspect?June 15, 2006 at 9:09 pm#19218He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantYou have taken away from the path of the original post. Let us stick with the original subject. Do you believe Jesus is the spoken word of God?
June 15, 2006 at 9:51 pm#19229NickHassan
ParticipantHi,
I am not sure who H is addressing here so anyone is free to answer the question.June 18, 2006 at 3:56 am#20103He’s Coming in the Clouds
ParticipantMany don't understand that God begat his Son, the Word in the beginning, even before the heavens and the earth and by the Son and through the Son the Father created all things.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
June 18, 2006 at 4:01 am#20105NickHassan
Participantamen.
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