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Hi Kerwin.
You said:Quote Toby, Was the body, Adam and Eve had before the fall, natural or spiritual?
The Scriptures is not clear on this matter.
The certain things we know is that Adam and Eve were sinless and destined to live forever in their created state.By eating from the forbidden tree they forfeited their everlasting life.
However, it was not the actual fruit that somehow caused the body to decay but the disobedience. But note that it only applied to ADAM – not eve. If Adam had not eaten of the fruit sin would not have existed because Eve would have been sinless because of Adams sinlessness.The Spiritual Body is a different type of body which I don't think is the same as the type Adam had so if it is an only choice between the two then I would say that it was a SINLESS NATURAL BODY.
The Scriptures says 'First the Natural, then the Spiritual' so there can't be three types.
The Natural Body was designed for the complete Earthbound existence of Mankind in which the Spirit was permanently in the body.
The Spiritual Body allows the Spirit to leave the body without it decaying through sustainance by the Holy Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,03:48) Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2012,14:52) Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2012,09:31) Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2012,21:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,05:58) Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2012,14:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2012,21:57) Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2012,21:38) Mike, I did not trick you; you tricked yourself. You have now admitted that flesh can mean sinful nature when it is not driven by the Spirit.
Oh, so Hebrews 5:7 is saying that Jesus made many supplications while in his “sinful nature that was not driven by Spirit”?
Mike,“mortal body” as it is not addressing the time after his death and we know he presented a flesh and bone body to his students after his resurrection.
Then why didn't the writer SAY “his MORTAL flesh”, if that's what he meant?Kerwin, if YOU want to add words into God's word, I can't stop you. But we are all warned against doing that.
Mike,You add words if you call what I do adding words. We have already discussed that you interpret “flesh” as “sinful nature” in some scriptures because of the context. I do a similar thing when as a result of the context I interpret “flesh” as mortal body in Hebrews instead of accepting your Gnostic influenced interpretation.
I assure you the flesh of man was not flawed before the Fall and it will not be flawed after the Day of Judgement; just as the rest of the world will not be.
KQuote “flesh” as mortal body in Hebrews this is true in all cases,
but could you tell me would it have been the same thing if Adam would have not sin???
Pierre,Man was created to be immortal; for it is written
Genesis 2:17
King James Version (KJV)17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Just as God promised, man's immortality was changed to mortality the day he ate of the tree.
We are taught Jesus rescues us from mortality and returns us to the immortal state we were created to be in.
Hi KW,
Indeed he and his children were cursed,
But it was the same body
Nick,What is the differences between a natural body and a spiritual body according to 1 Corinthians 15?
To all,
What is your thoughts on this anti-Gnostic translation of 1 Corinthians 15:50?
Corinthians 15:50(ISV)
50Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies[dd] cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
[dd] 15:50 Lit. mean: Flesh and blood
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Nick,How different is a mortal body from an immortal body?
Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,22:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Nick,How different is a mortal body from an immortal body?
KThere is no immortal human beings,all the immortal bodies are for the 144k redeemed ones from the earth the resurrected man on earth will live ,everlasting lives in flesh and blood bodies like Adam add,
Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,15:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Nick,How different is a mortal body from an immortal body?
Hi KW,
One is cursed and one is different and imperishable.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,21:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Ngood
Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,11:41) Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,22:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Nick,How different is a mortal body from an immortal body?
KThere is no immortal human beings,all the immortal bodies are for the 144k redeemed ones from the earth the resurrected man on earth will live ,everlasting lives in flesh and blood bodies like Adam add,
Pierre,How do you reach that conclusion?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,11:55) Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,15:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:55) Hi KW,
They are as different as the sun is from the moon, as a seed is from the plant.
Nick,How different is a mortal body from an immortal body?
Hi KW,
One is cursed and one is different and imperishable.
Nick,Isn't that a greater difference than between a seed and a plant or between the Sun and the Moon?
TO ALL………THE LIFE OF THE PLANT IS IN THE SEED. There is no difference, for the plant can not continue to EXIST unless the seed rejuvenates it again. The plant and the Seed are inseparable in the system of sustained life. Even so the DNA must be in what is rejuvenated before a rejuvenated Body can come forth again. (IT) the MORTAL BODY (SEED) is sown in WEAKNESS (IT) the REJUVENATED BODY is raised up in POWER and GLORY. This is accomplished by the SEED of LIFE that is (IN) the BODY Placed there by GOD which REGENERATES a NEW BODY exactly the same as the one sown, and that body can exist without dying. If it partakes of the tree of life.
Haven't you read where Jesus said “IN THE REGENERATION” . A seed is the means of REGENERATION of the SAME PLANT WHERE the SEED CAME FROM. Our existing DNA (SEED) will be used to regenerate a New exact copy of our present BODIES at the resurrection. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2012,20:25) TO ALL………THE LIFE OF THE PLANT IS IN THE SEED. There is no difference, for the plant can not continue to EXIST unless the seed rejuvenates it again. The plant and the Seed are inseparable in the system of sustained life. Even so the DNA must be in what is rejuvenated before a rejuvenated Body can come forth again. (IT) the MORTAL BODY (SEED) is sown in WEAKNESS (IT) the REJUVENATED BODY is raised up in POWER and GLORY. This is accomplished by the SEED of LIFE that is (IN) the BODY Placed there by GOD which REGENERATES a NEW BODY exactly the same as the one sown, and that body can exist without dying. If it partakes of the tree of life. Haven't you read where Jesus said “IN THE REGENERATION” . A seed is the means of REGENERATION of the SAME PLANT WHERE the SEED CAME FROM. Our existing DNA (SEED) will be used to regenerate a New exact copy of our present BODIES at the resurrection. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene
Gonly the earth as DNA stuff ,heaven is made with what
?is not our own nature teach us that we can not live any other place but on earth .
space in the universe is not for men to live in ,
do you not understand simple things like that
men has send satellites up to 8 light years away from earth and not seen anything like God ,were do you think God reside ??so that flesh and bone can be there
?are you still in the dark age
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2012,13:25) TO ALL………THE LIFE OF THE PLANT IS IN THE SEED. There is no difference, for the plant can not continue to EXIST unless the seed rejuvenates it again. The plant and the Seed are inseparable in the system of sustained life. Even so the DNA must be in what is rejuvenated before a rejuvenated Body can come forth again. (IT) the MORTAL BODY (SEED) is sown in WEAKNESS (IT) the REJUVENATED BODY is raised up in POWER and GLORY. This is accomplished by the SEED of LIFE that is (IN) the BODY Placed there by GOD which REGENERATES a NEW BODY exactly the same as the one sown, and that body can exist without dying. If it partakes of the tree of life. Haven't you read where Jesus said “IN THE REGENERATION” . A seed is the means of REGENERATION of the SAME PLANT WHERE the SEED CAME FROM. Our existing DNA (SEED) will be used to regenerate a New exact copy of our present BODIES at the resurrection. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene
Hi GB,We will be like unto the angels.
They are not currently like unto us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,01:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2012,13:25) TO ALL………THE LIFE OF THE PLANT IS IN THE SEED. There is no difference, for the plant can not continue to EXIST unless the seed rejuvenates it again. The plant and the Seed are inseparable in the system of sustained life. Even so the DNA must be in what is rejuvenated before a rejuvenated Body can come forth again. (IT) the MORTAL BODY (SEED) is sown in WEAKNESS (IT) the REJUVENATED BODY is raised up in POWER and GLORY. This is accomplished by the SEED of LIFE that is (IN) the BODY Placed there by GOD which REGENERATES a NEW BODY exactly the same as the one sown, and that body can exist without dying. If it partakes of the tree of life. Haven't you read where Jesus said “IN THE REGENERATION” . A seed is the means of REGENERATION of the SAME PLANT WHERE the SEED CAME FROM. Our existing DNA (SEED) will be used to regenerate a New exact copy of our present BODIES at the resurrection. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene
Hi GB,We will be like unto the angels.
They are not currently like unto us.
Nick,We will be like angels as regards marriage.
Besides as least some angels have material forms and others are called beasts.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,04:44) Hi KW,
You have held your dogma for some years so it is unlikely you will revise your views
Nick,This is what Scripture states:
Matthew 22:30
King James Version (KJV)30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
and
Mark 12:25
King James Version (KJV)25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Why would you think he is not speaking only that “they neither marry, nor are given in marriage” as with angels?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,06:32) Hi KW,
Not what you quoted but the thread.
I do not think it is the first either.
Nick,You insist on holding to a misunderstanding of a First Century way of speaking even when presented with evidence it is false.
It is quite clear from Scripture that immortal flesh was created to posses the reign of God. It is only the flesh that has been bound to corruption that will not.
What does God have to say to convince you that the flesh body “shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God” with the rest of creation.
Romans 8
King James Version (KJV)19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
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