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This is the pattern Paul teaches us about the resurrection of the dead. I hold this pattern is true.
1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
We know Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Therefore going by the pattern set forth in Scripture; his body was sown a perishable body, it was raised an imperishable body. It was sown a natural body, it was raised a spiritual body.
It is this spiritual body he stated was flesh and bone when he challenged his students to touch him and he chose to eat in front of them.
Luke 24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.
I believe him when he states the body he rose in is flesh and bone. It is the same body that the true pattern of the resurrection put down in 1st Corinthians calls a spiritual body; a body from heaven.
Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,15:10) This is the pattern Paul teaches us about the resurrection of the dead. I hold this pattern is true. 1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
We know Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Therefore going by the pattern set forth in Scripture; his body was sown a perishable body, it was raised an imperishable body. It was sown a natural body, it was raised a spiritual body.
It is this spiritual body he stated was flesh and bone when he challenged his students to touch him and he chose to eat in front of them.
Luke 24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.
I believe him when he states the body he rose in is flesh and bone. It is the same body that the true pattern of the resurrection put down in 1st Corinthians calls a spiritual body; a body from heaven.
Kerwin1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
if you can prove with scriptures that those scriptures are for all and not only for the elect (144k) i will believe you
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,03:19) Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?
Nick,I believe that the patern set forth in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 is true and thus I believe that Jesus' flesh and bone body, and the wounds it bore, is both imperishable and from heaven.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,05:35) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,15:10) This is the pattern Paul teaches us about the resurrection of the dead. I hold this pattern is true. 1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
We know Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Therefore going by the pattern set forth in Scripture; his body was sown a perishable body, it was raised an imperishable body. It was sown a natural body, it was raised a spiritual body.
It is this spiritual body he stated was flesh and bone when he challenged his students to touch him and he chose to eat in front of them.
Luke 24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.
I believe him when he states the body he rose in is flesh and bone. It is the same body that the true pattern of the resurrection put down in 1st Corinthians calls a spiritual body; a body from heaven.
Kerwin1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
if you can prove with scriptures that those scriptures are for all and not only for the elect (144k) i will believe you
Pierre,It states “resurrection of the dead”. Are the 144K you speak of all that are called “the dead”?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,18:15) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,05:35) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,15:10) This is the pattern Paul teaches us about the resurrection of the dead. I hold this pattern is true. 1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
We know Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Therefore going by the pattern set forth in Scripture; his body was sown a perishable body, it was raised an imperishable body. It was sown a natural body, it was raised a spiritual body.
It is this spiritual body he stated was flesh and bone when he challenged his students to touch him and he chose to eat in front of them.
Luke 24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.
I believe him when he states the body he rose in is flesh and bone. It is the same body that the true pattern of the resurrection put down in 1st Corinthians calls a spiritual body; a body from heaven.
Kerwin1 Corinthians 15
New American Standard Bible (NASB)42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
if you can prove with scriptures that those scriptures are for all and not only for the elect (144k) i will believe you
Pierre,It states “resurrection of the dead”. Are the 144K you speak of all that are called “the dead”?
KerwinWe all will die ,but we will not all going in heaven and become brothers of Christ there are only 144k that are redeemed from the earth ,so all others will be resurrected but to live on earth
So why would you need a body that would need a special fabric to live in the presence of God if you going to live on earth ??
Hi Kerwin,
The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,11:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,03:19) Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?
Nick,I believe that the patern set forth in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 is true and thus I believe that Jesus' flesh and bone body, and the wounds it bore, is both imperishable and from heaven.
Hi KW,
Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead as was Jonah
but he was yet to be raised into the air as we will be.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,19:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,11:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,03:19) Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?
Nick,I believe that the patern set forth in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 is true and thus I believe that Jesus' flesh and bone body, and the wounds it bore, is both imperishable and from heaven.
Hi KW,
Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead as was Jonah
but he was yet to be raised into the air as we will be.
Nwere ia the scripture i mean that their is more than 144k thst will be redeemed from the earth
no scriptures not true your story
Pierre,
Quote Kerwin We all will die ,but we will not all going in heaven and become brothers of Christ there are only 144k that are redeemed from the earth ,so all others will be resurrected but to live on earth
So why would you need a body that would need a special fabric to live in the presence of God if you going to live on earth ??
This present earth nor anything of it will enter the kingdom of heaven. The new earth and new heavens will come from above; and so will be spiritual. Jesus prayed:
Matthew 6:10
New American Standard Bible (NASB)10 ‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.And so in the times to come it will be. Paul teaches us of that time when he writes:
1 Corinthians 15 (New American Standard Bible)
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The righteous will all inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,11:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,03:19) Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?
Nick,I believe that the patern set forth in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 is true and thus I believe that Jesus' flesh and bone body, and the wounds it bore, is both imperishable and from heaven.
Hi KW,
Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead as was Jonah
but he was yet to be raised into the air as we will be.
Nick,I know of two types of bodies the soul inhabits. One is from earth and the other is from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15 teaches us we are buried in the body from Earth and resurrected in the body from heaven. Jesus was buried in his body from earth and resurrected in his body from heaven. He was in the later body when he ascended in the air to heaven.
Though his body may have looked like his natural body; it is not.
Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,22:59) Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
kerwinno doubts
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.it is written in black and withe .
it will only be you that change scriptures to mean what bothers you
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,11:04) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,22:59) Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
kerwinno doubts
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.it is written in black and withe .
it will only be you that change scriptures to mean what bothers you
Pierre,It is written in prophetic words. Mount Zion is in Jerusalem of Israel. It it used symbolically or literal in Revelations 14:1?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,23:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,11:04) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,22:59) Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
kerwinno doubts
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.it is written in black and withe .
it will only be you that change scriptures to mean what bothers you
Pierre,It is written in prophetic words. Mount Zion is in Jerusalem of Israel. It it used symbolically or literal in Revelations 14:1?
KerwinDid you ever heard of the Jerusalem of above ??
I mean the city of God ?
The one that is heavenly ??
All what is on earth is of old,their is a new Jerusalem,a holy city,
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,12:24) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,23:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,11:04) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,22:59) Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
kerwinno doubts
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.it is written in black and withe .
it will only be you that change scriptures to mean what bothers you
Pierre,It is written in prophetic words. Mount Zion is in Jerusalem of Israel. It it used symbolically or literal in Revelations 14:1?
KerwinDid you ever heard of the Jerusalem of above ??
I mean the city of God ?
The one that is heavenly ??
All what is on earth is of old,their is a new Jerusalem,a holy city,
Pierre,It sounds like you understand Mt. Zion symbolically but the 144,000 literally. What about the tribes they are said to be part of? Are the 144,000 of the seed of Abraham?
Why do you choose to understand some as literal and some as symbolic?
I understand them all symbolically.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2012,01:01) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,12:24) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,23:20) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2012,11:04) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,22:59) Quote (toby @ Mar. 20 2012,06:31) Hi Kerwin, The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”
It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.
Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.
The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.
Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after their trial those who come out of it will be residing on the earth in renewed Paradise.
It is obvious that they too will be living forever but it doesn't explicitly say that their bodies will be Spiritual (except why should they not be – this is an assumption) only as there is nothing explicitly in Scriptures except that ALL those NOT destroyed will be Holy – Son's of God – but just not Rulers like the Heavenly Holy)
Toby,I do not understand the scriptures of the 144,000 as you do. Instead the 144,000 and the 666 are symbolic numbers as are many other numbers in Scripture such as the 12 disciples.
Bear in mind that one of the original twelve tribes is missing from the account of the 144,000 and its place is taken by another just as one of the original disciples is missing from the 12 and his place is taken by another.
The body is miraculously changed by the Spirit of God as it rests in the dust just as a seed is also miraculously changed while it too rests in the ground.
I posted a thread about the two resurrections Jesus taught. Perhaps Nick, who seems skilled at finding such, can bump it for us.
kerwinno doubts
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.it is written in black and withe .
it will only be you that change scriptures to mean what bothers you
Pierre,It is written in prophetic words. Mount Zion is in Jerusalem of Israel. It it used symbolically or literal in Revelations 14:1?
KerwinDid you ever heard of the Jerusalem of above ??
I mean the city of God ?
The one that is heavenly ??
All what is on earth is of old,their is a new Jerusalem,a holy city,
Pierre,It sounds like you understand Mt. Zion symbolically but the 144,000 literally. What about the tribes they are said to be part of? Are the 144,000 of the seed of Abraham?
Why do you choose to understand some as literal and some as symbolic?
I understand them all symbolically.
KerwinThe 144k are definitely of the seed of Abraham ,may be you do not understand who are those that are truly of the seed of Abraham ,they Are according to the faith of Abraham not the flesh.
Hi all,
I believe that the 144,000 is symbolic for 'a great number of Saints – 12 x 1200 symbolically'
Does any ever wonder why there are so many 40, 400, 4000 and 40,000's written in Scriptures (who counted them so exactly?)
It seems obvious to me that '40xxx' stands for 'a large number':
– was Noah in the Ark exactly 40 days?
– was Jesus in the Wilderness exactly 40 days?
– where there exactly 400 disciples who saw Jesus when he was raised up?
– was it exactly 40 days before he ascended to Heaven?
– did he feed exactly 40,000?I don't want to turn this thread into a 'numbers' thread so I would just say that the exact number of the elect is irrelevant – it should just be satisfactory to us to know that there will be 'a great number' and that that great number will be those who Truly sacrificed their life to Christ by the Spirit of God and were exemplary in the faith and worthy citizens of the kingdom of God.
The topic title asks about the Spiritual Body: Scriptures says that the natural must put on the Spiritual – the corruptible must put on Incurruptible – the mortal must put on immortality.
Again, this is quite clear that all who are raised to everlasting life (whether the elect or those of Paradise) will be in immortal bodies.
'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God': here, 'Flesh and blood' does not mean 'the Body' because the word used is 'Inherit' – this requires wisdom and a freed mind.
I mean: how many have read that verse thinking 'A body cannot go into Heaven' (I did – at first reading!) but it does not say that, does it?
Understanding Jewish traditions gives the answer: 'Flesh and Blood' used in context meant 'A Sinful Person' as opposed to 'A Spiritual Person'. Both are 'Flesh and Blood bodied persons' but the former is as of Adam (sinful and corrupted) and the latter is as of Christ (Sinless and uncorrupted).
Only such a Spiritual person can 'Inherit' (gain as a possession) the Sinless and incorruptible kingdom.Then now, the term 'Spiritual Body' can be seen exactly as Paul described it and not as many who, without forethought (not malice but ignorance in the belief in the mainstream views), believe it to mean 'The Body of a Spirit'.
Kerwin and I both posted threads on this topic. No one has so far responded to mine which sets out a complete profile of how the belief in 'the Spirit Body' would make for an impossible scenario regarding the coming, the living, the dying, the resurrection – and the ascension of Christ Jesus.
Jesus would end up with TWO Spiritual Bodies inside each other!
(Basically, if Jesus was a Spirit with a Spiritual Body then that Spiritual Body would either have to have been removed before he became man or he could not have died on the Cross.
If his Spiritual Body was removed then what Body was his Spirit in while the Spiritual Body was removed?
When his Spirit went back to God was it in a Spiritual Body?
If yes, then when it was put back into the flesh body and Scriptures it was the Flesh that was made INCORRUPT (Became Immortal and sinless) then:
The Spirit of Jesus is in
The Spiritual Body which is in
The new changed flesh body now made SpiritualAny one care to challenge this line of reasoning concerning the fallacy of the 'Spirit in a Spiritual Body as regards Spirits (Angels) of Heaven'
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,15:34) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,07:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2012,11:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2012,03:19) Hi KW,
You really believe Jesus Christ is still clad in his ORIGINAL perishable cut and damaged flesh body??
You hope to inherit the kingdom in what you are wearing now?
Nick,I believe that the patern set forth in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 is true and thus I believe that Jesus' flesh and bone body, and the wounds it bore, is both imperishable and from heaven.
Hi KW,
Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead as was Jonah
but he was yet to be raised into the air as we will be.
Nick,I know of two types of bodies the soul inhabits. One is from earth and the other is from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15 teaches us we are buried in the body from Earth and resurrected in the body from heaven. Jesus was buried in his body from earth and resurrected in his body from heaven. He was in the later body when he ascended in the air to heaven.
Though his body may have looked like his natural body; it is not.
Hi KW,
So when Jesus showed his wounds to Thomas they were not the real ones??Did you see him when he rose into the clouds?
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