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Discounting the Ordinary Jesus belief.
Jesus,
is he merely a sheep saving his fellow sheep or Shepherd of the sheep?This video,
sets the record straight as to who Jesus was claiming to be…Hi EdJ
Good video 👍
He’s the Shepherd, not a sheep, very good point, maybe that will help Jodi and Gene.
God bless 🙏
Edj…..Your listing to at trinitarian false teacher, The LORD (ADONAI)(almighty God) TO King David was not his the son from his roots. Jesus was doing the “will” of his God, that was to shepard the sheep of God, the sheep belongs to God the Father, and God the Father gives them to him to watch over then as all Shepard s do,but t h at does not make him the owner of the sheep.
Why doesn’t this false teacher deal with this scripture, where Jesus himself said, “that they might know “You” the “only” true God.”, what does those words mean to you? , what does the word “you” mean, is it not someone else other then the on saying it?, what does the word “only” mean, is it not there is “no other”. Why does he not deal with that scripture in his bible befor he starts down the road of deception, forcing scriptures to say what in fact they do not say.
Edj, what do you think a trinitarian preacher would say?, the decieved preach the deceptions of their belifs and try to get others to go along with them by forcing text to say thing, that other texts clearly show as false. “the blind leading the blind”. Only those blind in the ditch with him would believe that twisted presentation.
What David meant by “thy rod and thy staff, does comfort me” , was that God USE his rod of correction, and staff of guidence, on him, and that gave him comfort in knowing God was working with him as a father does his children.
That guys presentation is shot full of holes, those scriptures he used have nothing to do with Jesus being or saying he was a God at all. Simply a good example at forcing our texts to say what in fact they do not say or meaning.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
That guys presentation is shot full of holes, those scriptures he used have nothing to do with Jesus being or saying he was a God at all.
Hi Gene,
Did you watch the whole video?
It doesn’t matter what conclusions the maker of the video makes.
What matters is what conclusion YOU make based on the evidence he produced._______________
God bless
Ed JEdj…..yes I did watch the whole video, and it does matter what conclusion he was trying to make, if those points do not match what scriptures say, then it does matter to me, and should to everyone who sees and hears it, these false teachers are false shepards and the true sheep of God and Jesus, do not reconize the voice of false shepards. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene, let’s start a square one, ok?
Do you believe (according to the video) that “Jesus” was
claiming himself to be a sheep, or the Sheppard of the sheep?Please answer… and we can go from there.
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God bless
Ed JAll the best Ed J.
It is hard to get people to admit to something when they are not 100% transparent.
Gene, how about emptying yourself of your ego and just be honest. You will be amazed where it will get you. Stop fighting the wind of truth and set your sail and see where you arrive. Let life be an adventure. This life on Earth that we are participating in right now is important. You get one good crack at it. You would do well to leave this world knowing you let God lead you. Trust in him and not in your own understanding. It’s easy. Start with being honest. Really honest.
T8…..good words. You should apply them to yourself and perhaps you might be in better standing yourself.
Edj….why should I agree with anything he said, seening he was twisting scripture to say what in fact they were not saying, there are around 30 scriptures that show Jesus as the “lamb” of God, and there are scriptures that say he was a “good shepard”, are you trying to say he can’t be both?, but none of what that guy said, as meaning Jesus is God is true. He simple does what most here do “derive false meanings from what our text actually say, creating a false image of Jesus being a God. It’s simply a “lie” 2ths2, explaines it for those who have eyes to see.
There are thousands if not millions of false teachers , why should anyone listen to them, the true sheep will not follow a false shepard, because t h e know the sound of the “true” shapard and they simply will not follow them. That simple Edj.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Edj….why should I agree with anything he said, seening he was twisting scripture to say what in fact they were not saying, there are around 30 scriptures that show Jesus as the “lamb” of God, and there are scriptures that say he was a “good shepard”, are you trying to say he can’t be bothHi Gene,
It is YOU that denies Jesus is our Shepherd. Both me and T8 and many others
keep telling you that this is what “the”-only-begotten-“Son of God” truly means____________
God bless
Ed JT8…..good words. You should apply them to yourself and perhaps you might be in better standing yourself.
Yes absolutely. Now back to you. Why not?
Read this Gene now that you have emptied yourself of all preconceived biased.
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Our shepherd herds the sheep, not himself. God made all things through him. Surely you can see what these scriptures are saying now that your own ego has been put aside. Or is it too late to let this happen because you are set in your ways.
T8……same old argument, the Greek word (dia) and it multiple meanings used in scripture. The word (dia) used there implies , “for the purpose of”, it does not imply Jesus was himself there at the time taking part of the creation, it mean that the whole creation had a purpose when God “alone and by himself” created all thing.
Tell us T8 what does this mean to you,
Isa 44:24…”thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb, I am the LORD that makes “all” things; that stretches forth the heavens “alone”: that spreads abroad the earth “by myself”.
Does that not say God created everything by himself and alone? Have you simply thrown those scriptures out of your bible. T8, I believe that’s your problem, your only applying some of our scriptures to draw your false conclusions, all the while ignoring so many other scriptures . That is why Jodi has to post such long posts, she like me have to keep going over and over and over scriptures that you and others here do not even respond to, you just sweep them aside as if they were not even in your bibles.
Bottom line, many, many, scriptures show that Jesus did not prexist as a centinel being before his birth on this earth. You and others here are simply preaching a “different” Jesus, that Jesus said would come and decieve “the many”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
You said:
T8……same old argument, the Greek word (dia) and it multiple meanings used in scripture. The word (dia) used there implies , “for the purpose of”, it does not imply Jesus was himself there at the time taking part of the creation, it meant that the whole creation had a purpose when God “alone and by himself” created all thing.
Me: your full of it. Your so far from the truth.
Remember one? you made out that before Abraham was, meant after.
You speak backwards..
May God save you 🙏
This video is HORRIBLE, this man is an ABSOLUTE FALSE TEACHER
into the 5 minute mark this guy talks about what people are wondering about Jesus and who he is, as they hear him SPEAKING with wisdom and see him performing miracles,
he says,
“of course buried in the back of their mind is one other question,
“is he really the Messiah”
“is he really the God come to earth to rescue us or not”
THIS GUY IS TOTALLY IGNORANT.
A human was to come and speak God’s word through God resting His Spirit upon him, an ANOINTING, being SENT out TO PREACH God’s WORD, not his own word, but God’s.
This man anointed, has wisdom not because he is God but because the One True God gave him of His Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.
This false teacher then says, “Now one thing everyone is going to agree is when God comes to earth, if God came to live on earth his life would be perfect, he would be morally perfect, he wouldn’t have any kind of failure, he wouldn’t do anything bad.”
He goes on to make the point as to why certain people have issue with Jesus, which people do have issue with Jesus because he took company with sinners, but he falsely ASSUMES that these same people believed that the coming Messiah was to be God.
If this guy made any truthful point, it would be that these men were self righteous, they were JUST as much as a sinner as those Jesus took company with, in the eyes of Jesus they were worse as they claimed to be godly men when in fact they were total hypocrites, vipers is what Jesus called them.
If this guy had any truth in him he would quote Isaiah and David’s prophecies in regards to WHO the coming Messiah was promised to be, a Son of Man of the fruit of David’s loins, the son of Jesse, the son of Abraham.
Jesus is the man God promised He would CALL to righteousness, where God would hold his hand and keep him, for to be a LIGHT. A man who God would direct all his ways. A man God would rest his Spirit upon and not allow to FAIL or be discouraged (Isaiah 42).
THIS TOTALLY IGNORANT FALSE TEACHERS claims though that Jesus IS PERFECT not able to FAIL because he is GOD.
KNOW the WORD of the LORD and APPLY it, or BE A FOOL,
Ezekiel 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. 16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment. 17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. 18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? 19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it. 25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is COME to SAVE that which was lost.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
God judges THROUGH a man who He rests His Spirit upon,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
GOD Redeems all the EARTH by a MAN through resting His Spirit upon him in full measure, being ALL IN him. When God created all things He KNEW THIS, He created all things KNOWING this MAN BEFORE he was BORN, He delighted in him before he was born, all things were created through and for this man who is the firstborn of the dead of many brothers an sisters, as God’s plan from the beginning was eternal life for mankind, for God to be ALL in ALL.
God, our Heavenly Father is our Shepherd, we are to ALL be taught by God, He taught Jesus and Jesus says, “It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
God’s Spirit draws us to the truth of His word, where we are told that we are to follow a MAN who God has appointed, anointed/dedicated TO teach us of Him.
God is our savior, but God has saved us through making a man our savior
God is our king, it is His throne, but God has appointed a man king over us to be a king of kings.
God is our Lord, but he has appointed a man to be lord over us, to be a lord of lords.
so just as all this is true, the below is TRUE
God is our Shepherd, but he has appointed a man to be a shepherd over us.
When we follow Jesus as our savior, our king, our lord, our shepherd, IT IS BECAUSE GOD is LEADING him. We follow Jesus because God DIRECTS him in the way that he should go and thus Jesus is able to lead us in God’s way also.
Gene and Jodi appear to be in denial. Here are Jesus’ clearly spoken words:
“15: So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas,
lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou
knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas,
lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest
that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?
Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me?
And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that
I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17)He said THREE TIMES to Peter “Feed my sheep”, making sure that Peter
knew that (he) Jesus was claiming to be the Shepard of the sheep
Peter only denied Jesus trice: Jodi and Gene are still in denial____________
God bless
Ed JEdj…..God the Father is the owner of the Sheep, he both scattered them and gathers them we are the sheep of his pasture, he has placed Jesus as one who Shepard’s his sheep, And Jesus told Peter to feed them God has placed Jesus as a Sheppard of “his” sheep . Thats true, but JESUS IS ALSO THE LAMB OF GOD, AS MANY SCRIPTURES TESTIFY.
Who do you think this is,
Rev 5:6….“and I beheld, and , lo, in the midst of the throne and the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it were slain, having seven horns (powers) and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits ‘of” God , sent forth into all the earth.
There’s others like these , 1 Peter 1:19, ACTS 8:32, Rev 5:13, 6:1, 13:11 22:1,
Try reading those scriptures, and come back again and try to tell u Jesus was not the “lamb of God”. scriptures show he was both the good shepard, and the lamb of God.
Edj but no scripture say he is a God “himself”, even though God’s seven spirits dwells in him.
Edj….The vido you posted is pure garbage.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
We all know Jesus is called “the lamb of God.
And we all know what that means. But that is
NOT the focus of this thread. The focus here is:What does it mean when the bible and Jesus both
affirm that Christ is the shepherd of the sheep?Both you and Jodi both appear to be pushing the doctrine
that Jesus was a sheep elevated to the rank of shepherd.
But no-where does the bible ever allude to this doctrine?What me and others will show you is:
Christ was the shepherd that came down from Everlasting.____________
God bless
Ed JEdj……If you know both then why question it?, Jesus was a ordinary man (born) and came into his existence exactly as we do, he never was a preexisting being (morfed) into a human body.
Tell us this Edj……would Jesus as a preexisting God who created everything as you falsely supose, say this, “my God, my God, have you forsaken me”. Seening he himself was with God as God’s word, another God who could and did create everything as you also falsely supose. Does that cry on the cross sound like a person who had any power to create or sustain life?
Edj……Jesus never existed a second before his conception in this world in Mary. You can choose to believe that or reject it, won’t change a thing imo.
And yes God does take shepards from the sheep fold and uses them for shepards. AND ARE WE NOT ALL SHEEP COUNTED FOR THE SLAUGHTER AS , Jesus was? If it be God’s will for us.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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