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  • #792908
    Ed J
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    HI BD,

    Miracle?

    You are easily impressed.

    Jesus in Paul and Peter and the brothers went to all God planned to touch and call.

    Praise God!

    Hi BD,

    You say “Praise God!”, but you do not believe Peter’s
    or Paul’s testimony concerning YHVH’s Son; what gives?

    #792909
    Ed J
    Participant

    Nick

    Why do you hate God…seriously, you seem to hate God and love Jesus, why is that?

    Matthew 6:24
    No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. …..

    Hi BD,

    Are you always deceiving? Matthew 6:24
    is not about choosing between God and his Son,
    but instead is about choosing between God and riches.

    “Ye cannot serve God and mammon” Matt 6:24)

    Will you even stoop to bearing false witness to protect YOUR false prophet?

    #792912
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Funny how you are always deceptive in your portrayal of God’s word.
    You said you read the bible cover to cover, did these words fall to the ground?

    John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said,
    This is of a truth that prophet (ref. Deut.18:15) that should come into the world.

    John 7:40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying,
    said, Of a truth this is the Prophet (ref. Deut.18:15).

    Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:13

    John 7:40-4221st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, “In truth this is the Prophet.”

    41 Others said, “This is the Christ.” But some said, “Shall Christ come out of Galilee?

    They obviously were waiting for The Christ and the Prophet, which one was Jesus EDJ?

    #792913
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You find confusion where there is none.

    Keep searching.

    #792915
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    Hi BD,

    Are you always deceiving? Matthew 6:24
    is not about choosing between God and his Son,
    but instead is about choosing between God and riches.

    “Ye cannot serve God and mammon” Matt 6:24)

    Will you even stoop to bearing false witness to protect YOUR false prophet?

    So Jesus didn’t mean you cannot serve 2 masters? was he only talking about riches if so he could have just said you cannot serve God and mammon but he purposely said 2 Masters

    #792919
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    But lets say you are right and you can serve two masters, you can serve God and Jesus, what do you do when God wants you to do something and Jesus says “Not my will” who are you obedient to in that case? You can’t say that wouldn’t happen because it already did according to scripture

    #792921
    Ed J
    Participant
    bodhitharta wrote:

    To say Allah is simply more accurate because it uses the Definite Article you are saying “The God” and that is the proper way to view God because there is Only One and there is no plural for Allah as you have in english you can say “gods” this doesn’t happen in Arabic with ALLAH there is no such thing as allahs.

    Glad you agree that ‘al-Lah’ means ‘THE LAH’ – LAH is the moongod of the Egyptians…

    Lah: god of the moon in ancient Egyptian religion (Link)

    #792923
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Jesus says you cannot love two masters you will love one and hate the other so what does Jesus say:

    Luke 14:26King James Version (KJV)

    26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    EDJ, NICK,T8, DAVIDL, Miia, Lightenup,…etc

    Do you hate your all these things?

    It’s fuuny too because those ISIS recruiters are telling these people if you hate all those things come join us and be a disciple.

    #792924
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    hi EDJ thanks for the link:

    Iah ( Egyptian: Jˁḥ, transliterated as Yah, Jah, Jah(w), Joh or Aah [2]) is a god of the moon in ancient Egyptian religion.

    Perhaps you didn’t read it first Yah and Jah mean anything to you?

    #792926
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    If you understood spiritual things you would see that he was making clear that service to him comes ahead of all other relationships.

    You have chosen another master though.

    #792928
    DavidL
    Participant

    I just share this because it is in the context of someone who was raised Muslim.. God bless.

     

     

    #792929
    Miia
    Participant

    DJ, NICK,T8, DAVIDL, Miia, Lightenup,…etc

    Do you hate your all these things?

    It’s fuuny too because those ISIS recruiters are telling these people if you hate all those things come join us and be a disciple.

    Hi bd, good question especially considering Jesus taught us to Love our neighbor, not Hate our neighbor?

    however, the proper word is “love less than”

    3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

    Lk 14:26: “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, ‘love less’ than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple” (NASU).

    [Note the comparative meaning of 3404 (miséō) which centers in moral choice, elevating one value over another.]

    http://biblehub.com/greek/3404.htm

    So properly:

    “If anyone comes to Me, and loves more than me his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.’

    ISIS are calling people to a fleshly war. Jesus never called people to fleshly war

    #792931
    Miia
    Participant

    But lets say you are right and you can serve two masters, you can serve God and Jesus, what do you do when God wants you to do something and Jesus says “Not my will” who are you obedient to in that case?

    we can serve God and the son because they both are in perfect agreement as one. that’s not to say Jesus is the Father, but they are just in agreement as one. if Jesus said something to me now, it would not be against what God would say. remember in the old testament when the angel of YHWH appeared to Hagar, and Hagar said she has seen YHWH and lived, though she has only seen the angel. can you see how the son of God Jesus Christ says- “if you have seen me, you have seen the father”. so how is it wrong to serve God and his son, when they are in perfect agreement.

    maybe, if we pray to the father God and love and serve Jesus, what we say goes by the son to the Father (in spirit and truth).

    #792932
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    2tim 2 .11

    ” …For if we died with him, we will also live with him.

    If we endure, we will also reign with him.

    If we deny him, he will also deny us.

    If we are faithless , he remains faithful for he cannot deny himself”

     

    #792933
    kerwin
    Participant

    The name Yah is believed to have come from the Leviant during the reign of the Hyksos.

    My source

    #792941
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi miia

    we can serve God and the son because they both are in perfect agreement as one. that’s not to say Jesus is the Father, but they are just in agreement as one. if Jesus said something to me now, it would not be against what God would say. remember in the old testament when the angel of YHWH appeared to Hagar, and Hagar said she has seen YHWH and lived, though she has only seen the angel. can you see how the son of God Jesus Christ says- “if you have seen me, you have seen the father”. so how is it wrong to serve God and his son, when they are in perfect agreement.

    maybe, if we pray to the father God and love and serve Jesus, what we say goes by the son to the Father (in spirit and truth).

    You say they are in perfect agreement and that may be so but Jesus didn’t agree to be crucified he actually disagreed he said “not my will” To me if he goes forth after that he is saying he does not have the authority to go against God if he doesn’t have the authority then in regards to serving you can only have ONE HIGHEST authority and the same goes for what Jesus said about hating your relatives to be his disciple you have to place him above your relatives (love them less if you want to consider hate meaning that) likewise to Worship God Almighty completely you will have to love Jesus less and not equal to God because you are to love God with ALL your heart, soul and Mine and you can’t do that if your heart is split in two

    #792942
    Ed J
    Participant

    Funny how you are always deceptive in your portrayal of God’s word.
    You said you read the bible cover to cover, did these words fall to the ground?

    John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said,
    This is of a truth that prophet (ref. Deut.18:15) that should come into the world.

    John 7:40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying,
    said, Of a truth this is the Prophet (ref. Deut.18:15).

    Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:13

    John 7:40-4221st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    40 Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, “In truth this is the Prophet.”

    41 Others said, “This is the Christ.” But some said, “Shall Christ come out of Galilee?

    They obviously were waiting for The Christ and the Prophet, which one was Jesus EDJ?

    Hi BD,

    Should I believe what Jesus said or what you say?

    “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
    But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” (John 5:46-47)
    You don’t believe Moses nor do you believe Jesus, for he wrote of Jesus in Deut.18:18

    “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth;
    and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will
    not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or
    that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.” (Deut 18:18-20)

    The false prophet Muhammad died from eating a poison lamb.

    #792943
    Ed J
    Participant

    The false prophet Muhammad died from eating a poison lamb.

    quran 69, 44-46
    YUSUFALI: And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
    We should certainly seize him by his right hand,
    And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

    Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
    The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by
    the (poison lamb) food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

    And as you Muhammad’s own words prove him a false prophet!

    #792946
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Is Jesus the Christ, the Son of the living God?

    The Spirit inspired these words.

    #792949
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    It is not unusual for people to have various conversion stories but notice in the one you posted Jesus never said he was God in the vision and second Jesus said he was the son of God in the vision but then also the man himself was called “son” we all know that the man who received the vision wasn’t the literal “son of God” so he actually didn’t make a different point, now if the man said Jesus said he was the son of God and he said no one can say that but me, you would have some sort of valid argument….besides all this regarding all these visions of Jesus saying things the scriptures says:

    Matthew 24:5
    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Matthew 24:23
    Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

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