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Jesus did say that “I and the Father are one” BUT Jesus NEVER defined that oneness as a oneness in substance or essence as does the Trinity doctrine. Roman Emperor Constantine the Great forced the religious leaders, under the threat of being exiled or put to death, to sign the Nicene Creed and from that time forward Jesus oneness has been OFFICIALLY defined as a oneness of substance and essence. By the way, the Greek word homoousios, that defines the Trinity as oneness of subsatnce or essence is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Remember the parable of the wheat and the tares. Jesus warned that there would be many false teachers and people who would profess Jesus as the Christ. Using the Bible to support pagan mysteries that had their origins in ancient Babylon is what the Bible book of Revelation defines as Mystery Babylon the Great, pagan mystery religion which had its origins in Babylon and spread out across the earth.
And that paganism of Idolatry by the practice of SYNCRETISIM of Babylon runs deeper in this world's Religious Organizations that most people are not even aware of it either, including pagan name deities too.
I agree carlmalaski .
The world is drunk on the wine of Babylon.
We need to come out of her. It is repentance to come out of her.Hi,
A thread on the heresy of Oneness.
It denies the son of God and says God came in the flesh and not the Son.Quote Hi,
A son is not still part of his own father.NH
If the Word which was with God and was God was a Son at that time I agree.
But the Word was not born a son until he took on human form!
The Word did not cease to be the Word or how could he have come in the flesh?
No rocket science here!
Quote Hi W,
Scripture says that
the Monogenes Son
was sent into the world.
1Jn 4NH
Exactly, as he was with the Father! He said….
Heb 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.And that is what he did. God prepared a body for him and he the Word/God took on human form and fulfilled all righteousness!
This is scriptural!
Hi W,
The spiirt being Christ chose obedience to God and came for our sakes in flesh too.
The single grain of wheat descended from the realms of glory to die so that we might live.That is love.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 12 2007,20:52) Quote Hi,
A son is not still part of his own father.NH
If the Word which was with God and was God was a Son at that time I agree.
But the Word was not born a son until he took on human form!
The Word did not cease to be the Word or how could he have come in the flesh?
No rocket science here!
Hi WJ:True, but God is the source of the Word. You asked me in another thread: “Did God send his personality”?
The answer is definitely yes. Jesus said, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father”. (John 14:9)
John 14:10 states: “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS”. Hebrews 1:1-2 states: “GOD WHO AT SUNDRY TIMES AND IN DIVERS MANNERS SPAKE IN THE PAST UNTO THE FATHERS BY THE PROPHETS HATH IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN UNTO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HATH APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS”.
I don't know how this could be made any clearer.
Hebrews 1:3 which I have quoted many times says that Jesus is the express image of His (God's) person. In other words, Jesus is God in that when you see his personality through the Word of God which he not only taught but applied to his daily life while he was here on earth, you have seen God's personality, and so, 1 John 5:20 states: “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ”.
We also who are born again Christians should be manifesting Him who is true also as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives by following the example of our Lord Jesus.
God Bless
Hi W,
The garden of Gethsemene shows Christ going through great inner conflict.
Two wills are opposed even towards the end of his natural life.“Not my will but thine be done.”
We know God was living and working through him as he was a submitted vessel.
So one being was God himself as Spirit.
Yet two beings with separate wills are manifest.
So did he become a being separate from God but working with God before he came in flesh or at conception?
It seems the answer is before as he chose to obey and come in flesh.
If not then he was just a man.
JESUS our JEHOVAH
JEHOVAH isI AM EXODUS 3:14
JESUS isI AMJOHN 8:57& 58JEHOVAH isFIRST & LASTISAIHA 44:6, 48:12
JESUS isFIRST & LASTREV 22:12,13,20 1:8 MICAH 5:2JEHOVAH isROCKDEUT 32:4
JESUS isROCK1 COR 10:4JEHOVAH isKINGISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isKINGREV 19:11-16JEHOVAH isCREATORISAIHA 40:28
JESUS isCREATOREPH 3:9 JOHN 1:3 COL 1:16JEHOVAH isSAVIOURISAIHA 33:22, 43:11,12
JESUS isSAVIOURACTS 4:12 MATH 1:21 LK 2:11JEHOVAH isJUDGEISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isJUDGEJOHN 5:22Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Hi CB,
It is so infantile to do this.
Someone so well versed in scripture must have realised God has a son who is His agent.NH
Quote Someone so well versed in scripture must have realised God has a son who is His agent. The Son is also God. Don't you believe the Father?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hi CB,
First believe he is the Son of God as he told us he has told us himself many times,
as also did God, Peter, John, John the baptist, Paul, Martha etc thus confirming this fact.
Then we try to encompass the meaning of the other verses given that scripture says for us there is only one true God and Jesus is our Lord.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 12 2007,20:52) Quote Hi,
A son is not still part of his own father.NH
If the Word which was with God and was God was a Son at that time I agree.
But the Word was not born a son until he took on human form!
The Word did not cease to be the Word or how could he have come in the flesh?
No rocket science here!
Hi W,
So you disagree with the traditional trinity concept and you realise Jesus is the Son of God who came in the flesh and you understand that the Spirit of God ever proceeds from God Himself so what possible reason would you have for defending traditional false teachings about God except that it has become a habit?
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