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bodhitarta said:
Quote First of all if you read this verse it explains that since Jesus has been obdient God has placed him above those like Jesus i.e men. bodhitarta,
Read the text again my friend. Jesus earned the right to be called “God” according to the Father Himself.Quote But to the Son He [the Father] says: Your throne, O God is forever and ever
You ascribe to Jesus a name that is slightly above men. But the Father has ascribed to the Son a name that is above ALL the angels. The only name that is above the angels is GOD'S NAME,
Quote …having become so much better than the angels, as he by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He [the Father] ever say….Thy throne O God…. Did Jesus earn the title “God”? Yes or no?” And if He earned the title “God” then the name is TRULY AND PROPERLY His name.
The Father Himself said that His Son earned the title “God.” So what's your problem?
thinker
Hi TT,
You say
“The only name that is above the angels is GOD'S NAME,”Really?
How about SON OF GOD
Jesus has been given all authority so please do not add to the text your assumptions.Quote (thethinker @ April 20 2009,11:21) bodhitarta said: Quote First of all if you read this verse it explains that since Jesus has been obdient God has placed him above those like Jesus i.e men. bodhitarta,
Read the text again my friend. Jesus earned the right to be called “God” according to the Father Himself.Quote But to the Son He [the Father] says: Your throne, O God is forever and ever
You ascribe to Jesus a name that is slightly above men. But the Father has ascribed to the Son a name that is above ALL the angels. The only name that is above the angels is GOD'S NAME,
Quote …having become so much better than the angels, as he by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He [the Father] ever say….Thy throne O God…. Did Jesus earn the title “God”? Yes or no?” And if He earned the title “God” then the name is TRULY AND PROPERLY His name.
The Father Himself said that His Son earned the title “God.” So what's your problem?
thinker
You forget that those who enter the Kingdom will be joint-heirs with Christ, they will be higher than the angels to.1 Corinthians 6:2-4 (King James Version)
2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Romans 8:16-18 (King James Version)
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
NOTICE the vers says “Heirs of God” and “joint-heirs with” Christ?
This is proof that we are all inheriting God as Christ is and therefore if Christ is inheriting God how can he be God?
That not only smashes all trinity theory it also smashes Jesus as the Most High God. How could the most high inherit himself?
1 Corinthians 6:3
3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”
I would like for you to also explain to me who is this “God” that is the head of Christ
Now keep in mind there is no equality between these two so please explain and also keep in mind
that one of the 3 persons is already accounted for.REPENT!
Sometimes no matter how hard it is you have to face the truth and show your love and devotion to God over what you have been taught, do not let your ego cause you to sin.
Quote (thethinker @ April 20 2009,11:21) bodhitarta said: Quote First of all if you read this verse it explains that since Jesus has been obdient God has placed him above those like Jesus i.e men. bodhitarta,
Read the text again my friend. Jesus earned the right to be called “God” according to the Father Himself.Quote But to the Son He [the Father] says: Your throne, O God is forever and ever
You ascribe to Jesus a name that is slightly above men. But the Father has ascribed to the Son a name that is above ALL the angels. The only name that is above the angels is GOD'S NAME,
Quote …having become so much better than the angels, as he by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He [the Father] ever say….Thy throne O God…. Did Jesus earn the title “God”? Yes or no?” And if He earned the title “God” then the name is TRULY AND PROPERLY His name.
The Father Himself said that His Son earned the title “God.” So what's your problem?
thinker
Psalm 45 (Young's Literal Translation)Psalm 45
1To the Overseer. — `On the Lilies.' — By sons of Korah. — An Instruction. — A song of loves. My heart hath indited a good thing, I am telling my works to a king, My tongue [is] the pen of a speedy writer.2Thou hast been beautified above the sons of men, Grace hath been poured into thy lips, Therefore hath God blessed thee to the age.
3Gird Thy sword upon the thigh, O mighty, Thy glory and Thy majesty!
4As to Thy majesty — prosper! — ride! Because of truth, and meekness — righteousness, And Thy right hand showeth Thee fearful things.
5Thine arrows [are] sharp, — Peoples fall under Thee — In the heart of the enemies of the king.
6Thy throne, O God, [is] age-during, and for ever, A sceptre of uprightness [Is] the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
7Thou hast loved righteousness and hatest wickedness, Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee, Oil of joy above thy companions.
8Myrrh and aloes, cassia! all thy garments, Out of palaces of ivory Stringed instruments have made thee glad.
9Daughters of kings [are] among thy precious ones, A queen hath stood at thy right hand, In pure gold of Ophir.
10Hearken, O daughter, and see, incline thine ear, And forget thy people, and thy father's house,
11And the king doth desire thy beauty, Because he [is] thy lord — bow thyself to him,
12And the daughter of Tyre with a present, The rich of the people do appease thy face.
13All glory [is] the daughter of the king within, Of gold-embroidered work [is] her clothing.
14In divers colours she is brought to the king, Virgins — after her — her companions, Are brought to thee.
15They are brought with joy and gladness, They come into the palace of the king.
16Instead of thy fathers are thy sons, Thou dost appoint them for princes in all the earth.
17I make mention of Thy name in all generations, Therefore do peoples praise Thee, To the age, and for ever!
Now obviously this writer was speaking to a king in his day and even though paul has assigned that a prophetic verse it does show that the purpose of the verse preceded its assignment to Jesus uless you attribute the rest of that psalm to Jesus as well.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2009,14:29) Psalm 45 (Young's Literal Translation) Psalm 45
1To the Overseer. — `On the Lilies.' — By sons of Korah. — An Instruction. — A song of loves. My heart hath indited a good thing, I am telling my works to a king, My tongue [is] the pen of a speedy writer.2Thou hast been beautified above the sons of men, Grace hath been poured into thy lips, Therefore hath God blessed thee to the age.
3Gird Thy sword upon the thigh, O mighty, Thy glory and Thy majesty!
4As to Thy majesty — prosper! — ride! Because of truth, and meekness — righteousness, And Thy right hand showeth Thee fearful things.
5Thine arrows [are] sharp, — Peoples fall under Thee — In the heart of the enemies of the king.
6Thy throne, O God, [is] age-during, and for ever, A sceptre of uprightness [Is] the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
7Thou hast loved righteousness and hatest wickedness, Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee, Oil of joy above thy companions.
8Myrrh and aloes, cassia! all thy garments, Out of palaces of ivory Stringed instruments have made thee glad.
9Daughters of kings [are] among thy precious ones, A queen hath stood at thy right hand, In pure gold of Ophir.
10Hearken, O daughter, and see, incline thine ear, And forget thy people, and thy father's house,
11And the king doth desire thy beauty, Because he [is] thy lord — bow thyself to him,
12And the daughter of Tyre with a present, The rich of the people do appease thy face.
13All glory [is] the daughter of the king within, Of gold-embroidered work [is] her clothing.
14In divers colours she is brought to the king, Virgins — after her — her companions, Are brought to thee.
15They are brought with joy and gladness, They come into the palace of the king.
16Instead of thy fathers are thy sons, Thou dost appoint them for princes in all the earth.
17I make mention of Thy name in all generations, Therefore do peoples praise Thee, To the age, and for ever!
Now obviously this writer was speaking to a king in his day and even though paul has assigned that a prophetic verse it does show that the purpose of the verse preceded its assignment to Jesus uless you attribute the rest of that psalm to Jesus as well.
NT writers had no hesitation in taking an OT verse, or part of one, that ostensibly deals with a subject of that time and placing it into a NT context that we would not automatically associate it with. This happaned frequently. Psalms 45:6 is, according to the writer of Hebrews, truely messianic in nature and context, and therefore is messianic by default to us. And who are we to argue with them? They, being “men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:21), evidently had a deeper understanding of these texts than ourselves, having insights we are not privy to.Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2009,15:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2009,14:29) Psalm 45 (Young's Literal Translation) Psalm 45
1To the Overseer. — `On the Lilies.' — By sons of Korah. — An Instruction. — A song of loves. My heart hath indited a good thing, I am telling my works to a king, My tongue [is] the pen of a speedy writer.2Thou hast been beautified above the sons of men, Grace hath been poured into thy lips, Therefore hath God blessed thee to the age.
3Gird Thy sword upon the thigh, O mighty, Thy glory and Thy majesty!
4As to Thy majesty — prosper! — ride! Because of truth, and meekness — righteousness, And Thy right hand showeth Thee fearful things.
5Thine arrows [are] sharp, — Peoples fall under Thee — In the heart of the enemies of the king.
6Thy throne, O God, [is] age-during, and for ever, A sceptre of uprightness [Is] the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
7Thou hast loved righteousness and hatest wickedness, Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee, Oil of joy above thy companions.
8Myrrh and aloes, cassia! all thy garments, Out of palaces of ivory Stringed instruments have made thee glad.
9Daughters of kings [are] among thy precious ones, A queen hath stood at thy right hand, In pure gold of Ophir.
10Hearken, O daughter, and see, incline thine ear, And forget thy people, and thy father's house,
11And the king doth desire thy beauty, Because he [is] thy lord — bow thyself to him,
12And the daughter of Tyre with a present, The rich of the people do appease thy face.
13All glory [is] the daughter of the king within, Of gold-embroidered work [is] her clothing.
14In divers colours she is brought to the king, Virgins — after her — her companions, Are brought to thee.
15They are brought with joy and gladness, They come into the palace of the king.
16Instead of thy fathers are thy sons, Thou dost appoint them for princes in all the earth.
17I make mention of Thy name in all generations, Therefore do peoples praise Thee, To the age, and for ever!
Now obviously this writer was speaking to a king in his day and even though paul has assigned that a prophetic verse it does show that the purpose of the verse preceded its assignment to Jesus uless you attribute the rest of that psalm to Jesus as well.
NT writers had no hesitation in taking an OT verse, or part of one, that ostensibly deals with a subject of that time and placing it into a NT context that we would not automatically associate it with. This happaned frequently. Psalms 45:6 is, according to the writer of Hebrews, truely messianic in nature and context, and therefore is messianic by default to us. And who are we to argue with them? They, being “men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God” (2 Peter 1:21), evidently had a deeper understanding of these texts than ourselves, having insights we are not privy to.
Luke 11:12-14 (King James Version)13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Do you think that we cannot be blessed with the spirit as they?
Bodhitharta, bearing in mind that YHWH evidently entrusted the writing of the New Testament to these men, do you think you have a better handle on the interpretation of Old Testament passages than them?
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2009,18:49) Bodhitharta, bearing in mind that YHWH evidently entrusted the writing of the New Testament to these men, do you think you have a better handle on the interpretation of Old Testament passages than them?
Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confessess that he will lie or do whatever neccessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?So I ask you out of all the material Paul wrote, which of it is the lies he spoke of.
That's why I stick to What Jesus said.
Did you not know that some bibles have a different amount of books contained in them?
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books
ISSUE: Catholic Bibles contain seven more Old Testament (46) books than Protestant Bibles (39). Catholics refer to these seven books as the “deuterocanon”[1] (second canon), while Protestants refer to them as “apocrypha,” a term used pejoratively to describe non-canonical books. Protestants also have shorter versions of Daniel and Esther. Why are there differences?
RESPONSE: Catholic Bibles contain all the books that have been traditionally accepted by Christians since Jesus’ time. Protestant Bibles contain all those books, except those rejected by the Protestant Reformers in the 1500’s. The chief reason Protestants rejected these biblical books was because they did not support Protestant doctrines, for example, 2 Maccabees supports prayer for the dead.[2] The term “canon” means rule or guideline, and in this context means “which books belong in the Bible (and, by implication, which do not).”
The Catholic Old Testament follows the Alexandrian canon of the Septuagint,[3] the Old Testament which was translated into Greek around 250 B.C. The Protestant Reformers follows the Palestinian canon[4] of Scripture (39 books), which was not officially recognized by Jews until around 100 A.D.
DISCUSSION: Prior to Jesus’ time, the Jews did not have a sharply defined, universal canon of Scripture. Some groups of Jews used only the first five books of the Old Testament (the Pentateuch); some used only the Palestinian canon (39 books); some used the Alexandrian canon (46 books), and some, like the Dead Sea community, used all these and more. The Palestinian and Alexandrian canons were more normative than the others, having wider acceptance among orthodox Jews, but for Jews there was no universally defined canon to include or exclude the “deuterocanonical” books around 100 A.D.
The Apostles commissioned by Jesus,[5] however, used the Septuagint (the Old Testament in Greek which contained the Alexandrian canon) most of the time and must have accepted the Alexandrian canon. For example, 86 percent of Old Testament quotes in the Greek New Testament come directly from the Septuagint, not to mention numerous linguistic references. Acts 7 provides an interesting piece of evidence that justifies the Apostolic use of the Septuagint. In Acts 7:14 St. Stephen says that Jacob came to Joseph with 75 people. The Masoretic Hebrew version of Genesis 46:27 says “70,” while the Septuagint’s says “75,” the number Stephen used. Following the Apostles' example, Stephen clearly used the Septuagint.[6] (We also know from other ancient Christian documents, like the Didache[7] and Pope St. Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians, that the apostles’ successors not only used the Septuagint, but quote from all of the books in the Alexandrian canon as the authoritative word of God.)
Hi Bodhitharta
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2009,17:12) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2009,18:49) Bodhitharta, bearing in mind that YHWH evidently entrusted the writing of the New Testament to these men, do you think you have a better handle on the interpretation of Old Testament passages than them?
Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confessess that he will lie or do whatever neccessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?So I ask you out of all the material Paul wrote, which of it is the lies he spoke of.
That's why I stick to What Jesus said.
If you believe that there is corruption in the scriptures then how do you know what is written is what Jesus said?
You have already denied Jesus words by saying that his words were false.
LOL. Now I understand why your Christology is so messed up.
It’s not Biblical because you do not believe all the scriptures we have are inspired.
Here is the way it goes for those who believe like you.
“If it agrees with my theology then its inspired, if it doesn't then it is corrupt’.
Talking about a slippery slope. After all you have accused Jesus of being a false prophet, and Jesus is the foundation of the Church.
Remember this is what a false prophet is…
Deut18:20 But the prophet, “which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak“, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deut 18:20
Yet you said…
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:18)
But the fact is Jesus thought the end would occur in his own generation. He even said some standing here would be alive when he returned with the holy angels and guess what? It didn't happen
That’s what it means to be a false prophet. Then of course you said…Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:59) We all know that every man shall taste death but more important Jesus is talking about them being alive in the physical and of course this doesn't make him a false prophet because he already said he did not know.
This is where you totally take Jesus words out of context when he said that he didn’t know the time and then you apply it to Jesus words where he plainly said what and when it would happen. Jesus didn’t know the “day nor hour” but Jesus did know the times. So what he said was true and not out of ignorance as you propose.WJ
The Thinker wrote:
Quote You ascribe to Jesus a name that is slightly above men. But the Father has ascribed to the Son a name that is above ALL the angels. The only name that is above the angels is GOD'S NAME,
All God's servant's,including the angels, bear God's name so you might want to consider interpreting that passage from Hebrews a bit differently. Name being authority and Jesus having more authority than the angels.
Ephesians 3:14-15(NIV) reads:
Quote For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
bodhitharta wrote:
Quote Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confesses that he will lie or do whatever necessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?
Will you please repeat the scripture you speak of. Thank you.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2009,18:22) Hi Bodhitharta Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2009,17:12) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2009,18:49) Bodhitharta, bearing in mind that YHWH evidently entrusted the writing of the New Testament to these men, do you think you have a better handle on the interpretation of Old Testament passages than them?
Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confessess that he will lie or do whatever neccessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?So I ask you out of all the material Paul wrote, which of it is the lies he spoke of.
That's why I stick to What Jesus said.
If you believe that there is corruption in the scriptures then how do you know what is written is what Jesus said?
You have already denied Jesus words by saying that his words were false.
LOL. Now I understand why your Christology is so messed up.
It’s not Biblical because you do not believe all the scriptures we have are inspired.
Here is the way it goes for those who believe like you.
“If it agrees with my theology then its inspired, if it doesn't then it is corrupt’.
Talking about a slippery slope. After all you have accused Jesus of being a false prophet, and Jesus is the foundation of the Church.
Remember this is what a false prophet is…
Deut18:20 But the prophet, “which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak“, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deut 18:20
Yet you said…
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:18)
But the fact is Jesus thought the end would occur in his own generation. He even said some standing here would be alive when he returned with the holy angels and guess what? It didn't happen
That’s what it means to be a false prophet. Then of course you said…Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:59) We all know that every man shall taste death but more important Jesus is talking about them being alive in the physical and of course this doesn't make him a false prophet because he already said he did not know.
This is where you totally take Jesus words out of context when he said that he didn’t know the time and then you apply it to Jesus words where he plainly said what and when it would happen. Jesus didn’t know the “day nor hour” but Jesus did know the times. So what he said was true and not out of ignorance as you propose.WJ
Bodhitharta,
WJ was right to rebuke you. It's been one faulty interpretation after another from you. You need to get back to basics. I hope you are able to humble yourself and take on board the constructive criticism WJ has given you.Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2009,18:36) bodhitharta wrote: Quote Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confesses that he will lie or do whatever necessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?
Will you please repeat the scripture you speak of. Thank you.
I's like to know that one too!Quote (Gene @ April 19 2009,20:36) thinker……….It says when he brings his son (again) into the world, that hasn't happened yet. Jesus will have the seven horns and the seven eyes which are the seven spirits of God on Him when he comes again into the world. He will operate with the full capacity of GOD the FATHER at that time, until the thousand years are over, then the Kingdom will be turned over to GOD the FATHER, and He himself will become subject to the FATHER who gave him the power in the first place. IMO love and peace to you and yours………………………………gene
I agree with this brother Gene. Many people are thinking that this verse in Heb 1 was already fulfilled when Jesus was born on this earth. But they are wrong, Jesus has not functioned in full authority of God so far. He will be functioning and fulfilling that prophesy in future at his coming again to this earth.May God bless you
AdamAmen to that post brother Kerwin, you are right, “name” stands for authority. Jesus was given authority above every authority in this creation by God. Except God there is no one above Jesus as per 1 Cor 15:28.
Thanks and peace to you
AdamQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2009,18:22) Hi Bodhitharta Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2009,17:12) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2009,18:49) Bodhitharta, bearing in mind that YHWH evidently entrusted the writing of the New Testament to these men, do you think you have a better handle on the interpretation of Old Testament passages than them?
Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confessess that he will lie or do whatever neccessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?So I ask you out of all the material Paul wrote, which of it is the lies he spoke of.
That's why I stick to What Jesus said.
If you believe that there is corruption in the scriptures then how do you know what is written is what Jesus said?
You have already denied Jesus words by saying that his words were false.
LOL. Now I understand why your Christology is so messed up.
It’s not Biblical because you do not believe all the scriptures we have are inspired.
Here is the way it goes for those who believe like you.
“If it agrees with my theology then its inspired, if it doesn't then it is corrupt’.
Talking about a slippery slope. After all you have accused Jesus of being a false prophet, and Jesus is the foundation of the Church.
Remember this is what a false prophet is…
Deut18:20 But the prophet, “which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak“, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deut 18:20
Yet you said…
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:18)
But the fact is Jesus thought the end would occur in his own generation. He even said some standing here would be alive when he returned with the holy angels and guess what? It didn't happen
That’s what it means to be a false prophet. Then of course you said…Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2009,17:59) We all know that every man shall taste death but more important Jesus is talking about them being alive in the physical and of course this doesn't make him a false prophet because he already said he did not know.
This is where you totally take Jesus words out of context when he said that he didn’t know the time and then you apply it to Jesus words where he plainly said what and when it would happen. Jesus didn’t know the “day nor hour” but Jesus did know the times. So what he said was true and not out of ignorance as you propose.WJ
What are you talking about? Paul said that not me.Also I never said Jesus was a false prophet, God forbid I would say such a thing and just because you don't believe what I am telling you is no reason to accuse me of saying what I did not say.
Also, Jesus did not say that God told him to say that about when the end would come, in-fact he clearly said that he DID NOT KNOW.
Jesus said no one but The Father i.e. God only knows. You simply do not like the fact that Jesus DIDN'T KNOW. it makes you uncomfortable when Jesus shows that he is not God.
I made it clear that Paul simply admitted that he would lie or do whatever neccessary to bring the getiles to Jesus so if that means making Jesus into a God in some verses he wouldn't mind doing it and he admitted it. So, doesn't that disqualify his letters as far as being inspired is concerned?
If we were in court and I told you that I will lie if neccessary to free the defendent would you include my testimony or throw it out.
The Bible is a collection of writings, each book in it is its own authors. The Gospels are 4 testimonies that I can compare and sort out a clear picture and they come from 4 different authors. Paul writes much of the NT and if you look at who he is writing to you can understand a lot more. You will see how Paul loves his fellow Jew so much that he doesn't mind if the gentiles don't understand the truth because if the gentiles get it wrong then the Jews will be no more wrong than the gentiles for denying Christ. Look:
Romans 11
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2009,19:35) Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2009,18:36) bodhitharta wrote: Quote Did you assume that everything Bound is inspired even when I showed you earlier in this thread that Paul confesses that he will lie or do whatever necessary to bring people to Christ. Do you think that is the inspired word of God?
Will you please repeat the scripture you speak of. Thank you.
I's like to know that one too!
Romans 37 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Philippians 1:18 (King James Version)
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
How can I be rebuked, when it is not my words? I have given you the scripture where Paul has stated he lied. I have shown you that to him it doesn't matter what you preach as long as it is about Christ. Paul is of the mind set that we are all corrupt and he understands that if he sins it should be to accomplish a “good” thing.
So Paul would say if you believe in the trinity that is fine, if you believe in Jesus being God that's fine, If you believe that Jesus is just the Christ that is fine because to him getting you to believe in Christ is the main point and he doesn't care if he is accurate because he is saying it is your faith in whatever way you look at it that will save you. Paul is saying if you believe in Christ however you believe in Christ and you have faith you will still profit, not in being right as he says let every man be a liar because only God is good.
Paul's mission is also to preach to the gentiles and make it easy for them to accept Christ because Paul understands the Scripture where it says that Christ will inherit the heathen and a foolish nation so to Paul they don't know what they worship anyway as the gentiles in those days believed in many gods and pantheon of gods and trinities of gods and goddesses and Israel kept going after other peoples gods because the heathen always has to “SEE” images of their gods, they always had to humanize their gods and so paul understands that exalting Jesus as much as neccessary is important in converting these gentiles but he admits he is a Jew and he understands that there is only One God who is The Father as he repeats the phrase OUR FATHER and GOD but in referencing Jesus he says OUR LORD Jesus Christ.
So as you can see you didn't rebuke me nor was I incorrect, you simply misunderstood.
Hi BH and welcome,
What we believe does matter.
jn14
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,08:50) Hi BH and welcome,
What we believe does matter.
jn14
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
I agree with you!
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