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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2007,10:03) Hi charity,
Is english not your first language?
The question posed in Hebrews is ironical CONTRASTING the Son of God with the angels, not asking which ANGEL was spoken to in this way.To entertain mighty angels is a privilege for men but Christ was never found to be one of them.
Do you not even know your Angel beholds the face of the father in heaven?
Even as the Nature of each Angel is tested in vessels on earth?
Wow to Those whom offend a child that has believed in Jesus The first begotten Angel and author of the NEW CREATION.
Receive the end that he has come for you; Angels on Board to be entertained
These things receive ye only by faith and suffering that ye may quickened from Earthly to the heavenly Body; as absent in body present in spirit been judged already1Cr 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed,
Warning against turning people away from Judgment to completed for the Angels
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.Mat 18:6 ¶ But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
¶ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.Hi charity,
First begotten ANGEL??
Angels tested in earthly vessels??
What is your source for your fanciful ideas?It is clearly not scripture.
Perhaps that is why you reject godly servants?Quote (david @ Feb. 10 2007,19:12) Charity, be of good cheer. Nick, often doesn't know what he is talking about. We are learning that more and more, as you can see.
Quote And I still think Christ is an Angel from God
There are many on this thread who believe that as well and discussed it at length. Nick has trouble with the word “angel” and the fact that it is the exact same word as “messenger” in the Bible.
He also has trouble with the fact that in his mind, angels have wings, real wings, to fly, I guess, and when Jesus was on earth, no one mentioned wings.
It just doesn't fit into Nick's “possibility spectrum” because it goes against his ideas, but doesn't go against the Bible.Of course, Nick says it's ok to 'think' such things. Just don't “teach them unless you find that scripture that teaches it too.”
Of course, there are many scriptures that indicate that Jesus is God's chief angel, the angel of the Lord. We don't even have to go that far. The very word in Greek is the exact same as the word messenger. They are the very exact same word. Jesus was without question God's chief messenger, his chief angel.
Thankyou for your posts david1Cr 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one.
God bless you
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2007,10:40) Hi charity,
First begotten ANGEL??
Angels tested in earthly vessels??
What is your source for your fanciful ideas?It is clearly not scripture.
Perhaps that is why you reject godly servants?
Nick The scripture has testified that the Angels are messengers to entertain?Why is it you refuse to believe?
I do not spend time fighting over whether Christ is God
I have come to acknowledge that I have found this within;
And to move forward
And it shall be for my lose or reward only by grace can I stand
That can he change in me by the honest truth and a self Judgment that I have found my heart to believe and put before him.God bless you I must take my coarse each heart is accountable before God in all truth of what they find within
Offensive as it maybeHi david,
You say
“Of course, there are many scriptures that indicate that Jesus is God's chief angel,[where?] the angel of the Lord [where?]. We don't even have to go that far. The very word in Greek is the exact same as the word messenger. They are the very exact same word. Jesus was without question God's chief messenger, his chief angel.”And of course you name this angel MICHAEL
That plank you have walked out on a long way on ends in a drop to the deep blue sea.Quote (charity @ May 18 2007,11:00) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2007,10:40) Hi charity,
First begotten ANGEL??
Angels tested in earthly vessels??
What is your source for your fanciful ideas?It is clearly not scripture.
Perhaps that is why you reject godly servants?
Nick The scripture has testified that the Angels are messengers to entertain?Why is it you refuse to believe?
I do not spend time fighting over whether Christ is God
I have come to acknowledge that I have found this within;
And to move forward
And it shall be for my lose or reward only by grace can I stand
That can he change in me by the honest truth and a self Judgment that I have found my heart to believe and put before him.God bless you I must take my coarse each heart is accountable before God in all truth of what they find within
Offensive as it maybe
Hi charity,
From within, the heart of natural man, does not come good things. Good things to be known are rather found in the Word of God and that should be our resource. Self reliance is folly.I wonder what Jesus ment by his Words what is born of the flesh is flesh and what is born of the Spirit is Spirit?
Sounds like to me that Jesus is no Angel in the flesh..
You have tobe Born one or the other you cant be both..
Hi U,
Exactly.
Why can men not grasp
MONOGENES,
Unique?He is unique in origin and nature.
He emptied himself of all advantages over us and partook of flesh. He came as man.Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
I have recived My faith as a Little One beleiving My Angal is beholding the face of the father that I may overcome corruption
Mat 18:6 ¶ But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
¶ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.The Angels that sinned?
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord 2Pe 2:12 ¶ But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Hi charity,
Is it not wonderful we have these godly angelic servants helping us serve God in Christ?
Heb 1
” 13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
But we are not angels though we can also be used as godly messengers as was the Son of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2007,11:38) Hi charity,
Is it not wonderful we have these godly angelic servants helping us serve God in Christ?
Heb 1
” 13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
But we are not angels though we can also be used as godly messengers as was the Son of God.
Begotten to send as the first born of many to followPsa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Hbr 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law; Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.Psa 103:19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all. Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Charity
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.1Co.15:44-46
This indicates that Jesus was not a spirit being before he was born physically. The physical “””body””” comes, then the spiritual “””body”””. When was Jesus declared to be the son of God? by his resurrection from the dead.. Rom.1:4 Just as we will be sons of God by our resurrection from the dead.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit John.3:6
It is one or the other. No person can be both at the same time.
Jesus can not be Born Spirit then flesh then Spirit again..It dont work that way.Redemption of the body sown in corruption raised in power; for what use shall and angel in heaven beholding the face of Father be effected; that a body on earth may perish by being decieved
What glory shall be lost in eternity for us and our Angel that we stand refusing to use the key?Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
¶ Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Rom 8:18 ¶ For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.Psa 68:13 Though ye have lien among the pots, [yet shall ye be as] the wings of a dove covered with silver, and her feathers with yellow gold.
When the Almighty scattered kings in it, it was [white] as snow in Salmon.
The hill of God [is as] the hill of Bashan; an high hill [as] the hill of Bashan.
Why leap ye, ye high hills? [this is] the hill [which] God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell [in it] for ever. The chariots of God [are] twenty thousand, [even] thousands of angels: the Lord [is] among them, [as in] Sinai, in the holy [place]. Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them].Quote (Unisage @ May 18 2007,13:30) Charity Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.1Co.15:44-46
This indicates that Jesus was not a spirit being before he was born physically. The physical “””body””” comes, then the spiritual “””body”””. When was Jesus declared to be the son of God? by his resurrection from the dead.. Rom.1:4 Just as we will be sons of God by our resurrection from the dead.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit John.3:6
It is one or the other. No person can be both at the same time.
Jesus can not be Born Spirit then flesh then Spirit again..It dont work that way.
Hi charity,
He who was with God came and partook of flesh , flesh being added to his spiritual being. He who had no body was given a fleshly one .Then he died and was raised into his flesh body but since that was unable to inherit his heavenly reward he was given a new heavenly body.
We follow him.Quote (Unisage @ May 18 2007,13:30) Charity Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.1Co.15:44-46
This indicates that Jesus was not a spirit being before he was born physically. The physical “””body””” comes, then the spiritual “””body”””. When was Jesus declared to be the son of God? by his resurrection from the dead.. Rom.1:4 Just as we will be sons of God by our resurrection from the dead.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit John.3:6
It is one or the other. No person can be both at the same time.
Jesus can not be Born Spirit then flesh then Spirit again..It dont work that way.
The covenent of new life was given to King David.And to which of the Angels did he say thou art my Son I have begotten thee;
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
It is a shame to taste of death before you see him in His Kingdom?
By which canot be recieved by any that breack the covenent given to King David; confidence in receiving ressurection of Life.
Psa 89:27 Also I will make him [my] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. His seed also will I make [to endure] for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.That our days MAY NOT BE SHORTEN REFUSING TO SUFFER TO UNDERSTAND THE COVERNENT OF THE FIRST BORN
Psa 89:38 But thou hast cast off and abhorred, thou hast been wroth with thine anointed. Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant: thou hast profaned his crown [by casting it] to the ground. Thou hast broken down all his hedges; thou hast brought his strong holds to ruin. All that pass by the way spoil him: he is a reproach to his neighbours. Thou hast set up the right hand of his adversaries; thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice.
Thou hast also turned the edge of his sword, and hast not made him to stand in the battle. Thou hast made his glory to cease, and cast his throne down to the ground.
The days of his youth hast thou shortened: thou hast covered him with shame. Selah.THAT WE ARIVE here IN HUMBLNESS to the will of God
Hsa 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Hi charity,
Christ is the firstborn monogenes son, before all creation he was with God.
Mere men are only elevated from the dust by the gift of God's Spirit.
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