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Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:16) Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:07) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:01) Hi AWHN …
Hello Ed J,How many pages were in the longest book you have read? How many pages or paragraphs per day would you say you read in the scriptures?
Hi AWHN,I have written a free e-book on the proof of God's existence.
But I give the information on forums in very small snippets.God bless
Ed JExcellent, then you may approach anything that is posted by myself in very small snippets. You do not have to attempt it all at once. Please take your time, consider the texts.
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3
Consider the LXX usage of Kurios… especially as it is in Isaiah 40:3, and then requoted the 4 times in the Gospels.
Hi AWHN,First: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into The English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
Secondly: [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)[אדני] Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
[Κύριος] kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord”/ “Owner”“You” cannot argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] and LORD for [יהוה].Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
This can be clearly seen and understood using the word “Owner”!Jehovah is “The Owner” and Jesus is The Son of “The Owner”.
Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,04:55) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,09:47) false teachings by the adventist ; … scriptures says ;;DA 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.
IT SAYS THAT MICHAEL HIS ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES ;AND SO HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANGEL UNDER HIS POWER,
WHO HIS THE ANGEL IN THE VISION
Da 10:11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed,….HE HIS THE ONE THAT AS RECEIVED HELP FROM MICHAEL ,
ONE OF THE OTHER CHIEF PRINCES YES… The “Chief” was already addressed in the postings, please go back take a few moments to re-read. The answer you seek is given there. There are two [hence “one of”] primary “Chief” “Princes”, Jesus and Satan, as addressed in the first Post on this subject. Additioanlly the word “one of” is the Hebrew Echad, and also means “First”, which Christ Jesus is, the First Prince [Ruler], ie Lord of Lords, Prince [Ruler] of Princes [Rulers], since He is God, the Son.
adventistnot so fast ;what you addressed in your ways does not make true ,Gabriel,Michael ,and two others are the four princes ,
but Christ the word of God his the only begotten son of God and that his only one position is available as the only son ,
so Michael his not christ nor the son of God ,but he was and is one of the prince(chief) angel in charge of the people of God (to look after them )
you can try to delude the word of God for your religion benefit ,but it is not true to the true believers ,(believers not stuck in religion clusters)
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,12:42) and two others are the four princes … If you are referring to other such names as “Raphael” and “Uriel”, etc [for others designate 7 such], you will not find them named once in the Canon of the OT or NT Scripture, but rather only in the apocryphal materials, such as the Roman Deuterocanon, which can be shown to be not part of scripture and contradictory to it. If this is questioned, please allow me to demonstrate later.
Hello AWHN,
Well, I didn't read your posts word for word but it is clear that you are very thorough
I was wondering if you believe that the Father is YHVH also and do you have a verse that speaks about the Father as YHVH where it is clearly not the Son?
Thanks!
LUQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:33) Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:22) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:16) Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:07) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:01) Hi AWHN …
Hello Ed J,How many pages were in the longest book you have read? How many pages or paragraphs per day would you say you read in the scriptures?
Hi AWHN,I have written a free e-book on the proof of God's existence.
But I give the information on forums in very small snippets.God bless
Ed JExcellent, then you may approach anything that is posted by myself in very small snippets. You do not have to attempt it all at once. Please take your time, consider the texts.
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3
Consider the LXX usage of Kurios… especially as it is in Isaiah 40:3, and then requoted the 4 times in the Gospels.
Hi AWHN,First: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into The English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
Secondly: [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)[אדני] Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
[Κύριος] kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord”/ “Owner”“You” cannot argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] and LORD for [יהוה].Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
This can be clearly seen and understood using the word “Owner”!Jehovah is “The Owner” and Jesus is The Son of “The Owner”.
Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parent dies,
which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJesus' Diety did not die, only humanity died. As for “the owner”… consider… that Jesus did not take upon Himself this additional name until He became man, therefore it is His name in His Humanity. I am going to address this owner here and further …
I see you did not address that which was cited and given in the previous posts, or earlier respone, but instead addressed the matter in a non-scriptural and incorrect way. Therfore, allow me to demonstrate what was given:
Even the LXX, as previously cited, uses the word “kurios” [LORD] for the Hebrew 'YHVH'.
The King James carefully, reverently and sparingly used the Hebrew Transliteration, since the writers were primarily Jewish [except for Luke and Acts; written by Luke, a gentile physician/historian].
Consider carefully…
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3
No man can say that CHRIST JESUS is LORD… but by the HOLY SPIRIT… not only is CHRIST JESUS, master and teacher, but LORD and GOD, the very Shepherd of the Sheep.
The greek word used in 1 Corinthians 12:3, is the very same word that the LXX uses, “kurios” [LORD]. Even as Isaiah 40:3 [“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.”] seen being quoted in the four Gospels. 'YHVH' is translated there by the Gospel writers, under direction of the HOLY SPIRIT, “kurios”.
The Prophet Isaiah knew who was to come:
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3
Isaiah 40:3 קול קורא במדבר פנו דרך יהוה ישׁרו בערבה מסלה לאלהינו׃
The word for “LORD” in Isaiah 40:3 is the Hebrew Tetragrammaton “יְהֹוָה“, “YHWH/YHVH” or Jehovah…and directly quoted 4 times in the NT:
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Matthew 3:3
ουτος γαρ εστιν ο ρηθεις υπο ησαιου του προφητου λεγοντος φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Matthew 3:3 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
outoV gar estin o rhqeiV upo hsaiou tou profhtou legontoV fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Matthew 3:3 Greek
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mark 1:3
φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Mark 1:3 Greek
fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Mark 1:3 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Luke 3:4
ως γεγραπται εν βιβλω λογων ησαιου του προφητου λεγοντος φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ετοιμασατε την οδον κυριου ευθειας ποιειτε τας τριβους αυτου Luke 3:4 Greek
wV gegraptai en biblw logwn hsaiou tou profhtou legontos fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw etoimasate thn odon kuriou euqeiaV poieite taV tribouV autou Luke 3:4Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:23
εφη εγω φωνη βοωντος εν τη ερημω ευθυνατε την οδον κυριου καθως ειπεν ησαιας ο προφητης John 1:23 Greek
efh egw fwnh bowntoV en th erhmw euqunate thn odon kuriou kaqwV eipen hsaiaV o profhthV John 1:23Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,08:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,12:42) and two others are the four princes … If you are referring to other such names as “Raphael” and “Uriel”, etc [for others designate 7 such], you will not find them named once in the Canon of the OT or NT Scripture, but rather only in the apocryphal materials, such as the Roman Deuterocanon, which can be shown to be not part of scripture and contradictory to it. If this is questioned, please allow me to demonstrate later.
I did not mention the other names but it does not matter we have two out of four ,this is more than enough that any of those two can be christ the son of God .
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,08:14) Hello AWHN,
Well, I didn't read your posts word for word but it is clear that you are very thorough
I was wondering if you believe that the Father is YHVH also and do you have a verse that speaks about the Father as YHVH where it is clearly not the Son?
Thanks!
LU
add at it again
same line of question Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,13:14) Hello AWHN,
Well, I didn't read your posts word for word but it is clear that you are very thorough
I was wondering if you believe that the Father is YHVH also and do you have a verse that speaks about the Father as YHVH where it is clearly not the Son?
Thanks!
LU…Sure…
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Genesis 19:24
Notice the context, and see where the God YHVH, the Son is standing [on Earth] and calling fire down from God YHVH, the Father from out of Heaven.
Additionally, see:
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Zechariah 3:2
The LORD [Son standing there before the Highpriest] is saying to Satan, which is standing next to accusing the High Priest, “The LORD [Father] rebuke thee.”, and iof you look closely the Holy Spirit is also there, even He which hath chosen Jerusalem…
or, we might consider the New Testament…
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in he name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19
In this instance, is plurality of persons with singular name/character among them, hence Deut 6:4, etc more to be demonstrated later… “the name”, and the Greek “kai” construction “of the Father” “of the son” “of the Holy Ghost”.
Hi:
God has revealed to us plainly who Jesus is, and so why complicate matters:
Quote t 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Also, I do not believe that the scriptures teach that Jesus existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world:
And so the answer to the following question should be, No.
Quote To preempt questions, “Doesn't the scripture teach that Jesus existed before He became a man?” (“Yes.”) Jesus said: “Abraham desired to see my day, and he saw it and was glad”. Jesus was foreordained, and so he existed in the heart of the Father in the beginning, and was to be brought into the world at a specific point in time.
Quote 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Love in Christ,
MartyWell good then AWHN, we both see the Father and the Son as YHVH. See my signature at the bottom of this post. Did you say that the Holy Spirit is a person called YHVH also?
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2012,13:40) Hi: God has revealed to us plainly who Jesus is, and so why complicate matters:
Quote t 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Also, I do not believe that the scriptures teach that Jesus existed as a sentient person prior to his birth into this world:
And so the answer to the following question should be, No.
Quote To preempt questions, “Doesn't the scripture teach that Jesus existed before He became a man?” (“Yes.”) Jesus said: “Abraham desired to see my day, and he saw it and was glad”. Jesus was foreordained, and so he existed in the heart of the Father in the beginning, and was to be brought into the world at a specific point in time.
Quote 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Love in Christ,
MartyIt has already been acknowledged that Jesus is the Son, that is the Son of the Father. We are speaking of His Deity, as YHVH God, and pre-existence, not merely Christ, as Peter was acknowledging. 1 Peter is speaking of “Christ”, and Jesus became so at His Baptism, Acts 10:38, speaking of the Father anointing the Son by the Holy Spirit.
Abraham himself spake with “Jesus”, the Lord in Genesis 18-19.
Those which do not acknowledge the pre-existence of Jesus, simply do not understand Hebrews Chapter 1, and so Paul goes on to say of them, even after directly equating Him with YHVH there, citing the OT:
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. Hebrews 5:11
…and again… speaking of His Deity…
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7:3
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2
…etc.
I want you to consider the texts, that Jesus is the “I AM” of Exodus 3.
See John 8:12,18,24,28,58. I want you to notice all of the times the texts reveal Him declaring to be the Great “I AM” which Abraham actually saw in vision as becoming man, tabernacling with humanity. Then I want you to notice the very serious statemnt in John 8:58, for if one does not believe that Jesus is indeed the Great I AM of Exodus, then read what He Himself says…
This statement of “I AM” has everything to do with YHVH, for it is full testimony from the mouth of CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF, that HE is the I AM of the OT, the very one upon Mt. Sinai who stood before Moses…
Again, quoting the Hebrew, even from the Hebrew translation [Ex 3 Mechon-Mamre], it does indeed read “I AM that I AM”, along with the LXX and comparisons of the NT Greek and intratestamental [I AM, Intra], we can see perfect harmony there.
And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel … they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them? Exodus 3:13;p
They [as Moses said] will question, saying, “What [is] his name?”
The Name is not merely designation in scripture, as we know, for it denotes the very character of the person, even as we can see additionally in Exodus 34:4-8.
But, as we see, then comes the answer that GOD would have Moses give in response to the question that they would ask [HE already knowing that they would ask it, and so the response is prefectly given]:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.Exodus 3:14
It is given twice, “I AM THAT I AM” and even “I AM”
Notice with me:
Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one. Galatians 3:20
Paul is partially quoting Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29.
Now let us please consider another evidence:
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Genesis 4:26 KJV
Hebrew Genesis 4:26 ולשׁת גם־הוא ]ילד־בן ויקרא את־שׁמו אנושׁ אז הוחל לקרא בשׁם יהוה׃
kai tw shq egeneto uios epwnomasen de to onoma autou enws outos hlpisen epikaleisqai to onoma kuriou tou qeou Genesis 4:26 LXX
Now let us consider:
I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:13
I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of
the LORD. Psalms 116:17For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. Zephaniah 3:9
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Acts 22:16
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13
Now please consider:
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV
th ekklhsia tou qeou th oush en korinqw hgiasmenoiV en cristw ihsou klhtoiV agioiV sun pasin toiV epikaloumenoiV to onoma tou kuriou hmwn ihsou cr
Hi AWHN,
YHVH means: Causes to become.
When Moses Asked God His name, He, YHVH said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
“I will be what I will be“YHVH=63 and “will be”=63
Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.“El Shaddai” also equals 63
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
Reason for edit: to add more informationAlso, “El Shaddai” [that is “the Almighty”] is used of Jesus Christ, even of the OT [Genesis 17:1, 48:3; Exodus 6:3, Ezekiel 1:24, etc.], as so noted in the Greek of the NT [Revelation 1:8,11].
As for the translational [KJV] “LORD” [which is to say “YHVH”], of course Jeremiah 16:21 is speaking of HIM, for the [KJV] is extremely useful in this area, for it also elsewhere relates its definition, as can be seen in [KJV] Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4. I have no real issue with this, knowing what the Hebrew states in that YHVH is GOD. The Greek is also very helpful in fully identifying this, and makes for a great transition [for the gentiles use and understanding], for the Greek [especially the Epistles of Paul] quotes many times from the OT, and uses the word “Lord” where in Hebrew it is YHVH. This word, “Lord”, then becomes etremely important in the Greek, and in its specific uses when directly associated with JESUS CHRIST. Additionally we can also compare such to the LXX and see the same. As seen previously:
“[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5
So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6
…
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8…compare to:
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. Matthew 15:25″
…
Hebrews 1, written by Paul, is citing the OT YHVH for Jesus:
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Hebrews 1:10
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; Hebrews 1:11
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Hebrews 1:12
What is He citing? Consider:
But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end. Psalms 102:27
Who then is this LORD? It is Jesus, YHVH Elohim:
When the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD. Psalms 102:22
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years [are] throughout all generations. Psalms 102:24
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. Psalms 102:25
They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: Psalms 102:26
But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end. Psalms 102:27
Hebrews 1 is heavily citing the OT, even Psalms 45 in Context, unto the Son, Thy Thron O God… see the context of Psalms 45… YHVH the Son.
But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
…now notice that “and” in Hebrews 1:10, Paul is still speaking about that which is said “unto the Son”…
Hebrews Chapter 1 declares Jesus as YHVH God- Deity, and Chapter 2 His Humanity. The two natures of Jesus.
Jesus is forever YHVH God, and Human…
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Hebrews 13:8
This text is very serious in the light of its context, please consider:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
In case, one does not notice, the word “[he]” are not actually present in the greek text. What Jesus actually said was, “…if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins.
He is not speaking of himself as “Christ”/”Messiah” anywhere in John 8. It is not even in view. All of Israel was looking for the Messiah, and here He is declaring something far beyond what they expected.
John 1, for He came unto His own… and His own knew Him not. He, YHVH the Son, chose Israel back in Exodus as His own peculiar people… they [most] refused Him.
Please do not do so now…
The Commandments of GOD, who gave them?:
How many things were made by Him? John 1:3.
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Deuteronomy 5:10
JESUS gave them.
Look also closer at the 4th Commandment:
For [in] six days the LORDmadeheaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship himthat madeheaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:7
Who created? Again…
All things were made by him; andwithout him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10
Let GOD BE TRUE and EVERY MAN A LIAR… “Jesus said,… I AM…THE TRUTH…”not “a” truth, but definite article “the”.
This is by far the most colourful thread that has ever existed. As well, I have never seen so much information about Michael the archangel in one spot before. I will have to read through all this.
agree with you on the color ,looks like a rainbow,
but it is all religion man made understanding and views ,not founded on the truth of all of the scriptures,
but what is their to expect from organized religion
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,15:49) agree with you on the color ,looks like a rainbow, but it is all religion man made understanding and views ,not founded on the truth of all of the scriptures,
but what is their to expect from organized religion
The Body of Christ is organized… even according to Paul and the NT. That which is not in orginaized is in confusion, disorganized…It is written, “I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8
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…but if you will look at the greek, it says “…shall he find THE faith…”, definite article, that very same “faith” and truths of doctrines once delivered to the saints… and the remnant as spoken of in Revelation has it.
Perhaps this will help all understand who the 7th Day Adventists are…
The Blueprint… God's Model of Salvation as given in Type, The Sanctuary:
Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,15:53) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,15:49) agree with you on the color ,looks like a rainbow, but it is all religion man made understanding and views ,not founded on the truth of all of the scriptures,
but what is their to expect from organized religion
The Body of Christ is organized… even according to Paul and the NT. That which is not in orginaized is in confusion, disorganized…It is written, “I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8
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…but if you will look at the greek, it says “…shall he find THE faith…”, definite article, that very same “faith” and truths of doctrines once delivered to the saints… and the remnant as spoken of in Revelation has it.
I'm starting to like this guy.
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