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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2009,19:05) Hi BD,
Eternal life is in the Son of God. Wake up.
Eternal Life is in the Son of God and whomever God wills because God gives as He pleases to whomever he pleases.God can save Jews, Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists or Whomever else He pleases to Save and He is the best of Judges, what you see in those descriptions are not attributes that a person automatically receives once he takes such a title.
In the end the Righteous shall be saved and the unrighteous shall receive their punishment so best is it for those who put faith in their creator and all he has sent down to them for surely people will be judged by what they know and what they did. God is Mighty, Wise.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:56) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,15:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:04) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,14:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,14:43) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,13:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,12:55) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD,
Jesus Christ is the son of God.
You too can follow him into sonship.
Let me ask you NickDid God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?
Hi BD:Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,You did not answer the question.
Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary?
In what way did God have offspring?
God does not have children like us
Hi BD:This has nothing to do with a sexual act. It was an act of love by God so that you and I could be saved.
How is it that you want to pick and choose the scriptures that you want to quote out of the bible?
ThIs is what the scripture states:
Quote Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quote Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If the act was not sexual then the act was not such that would create offspring. Jesus was put in the womb of Mary by His command. God is not a man to have children everything is His creation and all are His servants.Remember in Luke it says “He will be called” Son of The Most High not that He is The Son of The Most High.
Far be it for God to have a son:
(10) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Hi BD:Well, God said:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So, then is God lying?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I am sorry if I am confusing you, but I have already stated that those who find God through Jesus will be saved.
The issue is you must let Jesus guide you to know “The Father”
Your ultimate destiny lies with God Almighty and you must worship God Almighty. If you make partners with God Almighty
you will perish so do not call Christ “God” and do not believe that God needs partners to execute His will.I love Jesus and honor him as Christ but if I call him my God I am a liar because The Sovereign God is My Creator.
Hi BD:I don't call Jesus God, but I am subjected to God through him, and that is what is meant by confessing him as Lord.
Without the blood that was shed in our behalf, our sins cannot be washed away and therefore, we cannot have a personal relationship with God any other way.
This is what God has done for us because of His goodness, and it is because His goodness that the gospel is preached to every creature hoping that men will believe the truth and come to Him with a repentant heart through the provision that he has made.
But he has given men the freedom to choose.
God has shown you His love for you by providing the sacrifice for your sins in the person of His Son and His Christ, and I have shown you my love by telling you what He has said.
It is your choice as to whether or not you will believe the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus was Sacrificed by His Father?
Hi BD:God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed so that even the most wicked man of the face of the earth could be forgiven.
When he was crucified Jesus made incercession for those who delivered him up to be crucified and those who crucified him saying:
Quote Luk 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luk 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.In the following verses we see, that some of those who crucified him believed and were saved:
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 ¶ And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.Jeusus obeyed God even unto death of the cross in spite of what wicked men could do to him, and because he did he overcame sin and is able to make intercession for all of humanity including them.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:56) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,15:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:04) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,14:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,14:43) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,13:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,12:55) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD,
Jesus Christ is the son of God.
You too can follow him into sonship.
Let me ask you NickDid God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?
Hi BD:Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,You did not answer the question.
Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary?
In what way did God have offspring?
God does not have children like us
Hi BD:This has nothing to do with a sexual act. It was an act of love by God so that you and I could be saved.
How is it that you want to pick and choose the scriptures that you want to quote out of the bible?
ThIs is what the scripture states:
Quote Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quote Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If the act was not sexual then the act was not such that would create offspring. Jesus was put in the womb of Mary by His command. God is not a man to have children everything is His creation and all are His servants.Remember in Luke it says “He will be called” Son of The Most High not that He is The Son of The Most High.
Far be it for God to have a son:
(10) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Hi BD:Well, God said:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So, then is God lying?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I am sorry if I am confusing you, but I have already stated that those who find God throug
h Jesus will be saved.The issue is you must let Jesus guide you to know “The Father”
Your ultimate destiny lies with God Almighty and you must worship God Almighty. If you make partners with God Almighty you will perish so do not call Christ “God” and do not believe that God needs partners to execute His will.
I love Jesus and honor him as Christ but if I call him my God I am a liar because The Sovereign God is My Creator.
Hi BD:I don't call Jesus God, but I am subjected to God through him, and that is what is meant by confessing him as Lord.
Without the blood that was shed in our behalf, our sins cannot be washed away and therefore, we cannot have a personal relationship with God any other way.
This is what God has done for us because of His goodness, and it is because His goodness that the gospel is preached to every creature hoping that men will believe the truth and come to Him with a repentant heart through the provision that he has made.
But he has given men the freedom to choose.
God has shown you His love for you by providing the sacrifice for your sins in the person of His Son and His Christ, and I have shown you my love by telling you what He has said.
It is your choice as to whether or not you will believe the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus was Sacrificed by His Father?
Hi BD:God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed so that even the most wicked man of the face of the earth could be forgiven.
When he was crucified Jesus made incercession for those who delivered him up to be crucified and those who crucified him saying:
Quote Luk 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luk 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.In the following verses we see, that some of those who crucified him believed and were saved:
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 ¶ And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.Jeusus obeyed God even unto death of the cross in spite of what wicked men could do to him, and because he did he overcame sin and is able to make intercession for all of humanity including them.
Love in Christ,
Marty
How is it you believe that God believes in “Child Sacrifice”There is a big difference between a sacrifice and a crucifixion because according to Jewish law you cannot offer an abused sacrifice so who was offering Jesus up when in fact it was a murder plot.
A plot that God reveals in the Quran was out plotted by God for God is the best of planners.
One thing is for sure the Quran and the Bible state that Jesus was taken up to heaven alive.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,15:08) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:56) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,15:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:04) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,14:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,14:43) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,13:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,12:55) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD,
Jesus Christ is the son of God.
You too can follow him into sonship.
Let me ask you NickDid God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?
Hi BD:Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,You did not answer the question.
Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary?
In what way did God have offspring?
God does not have children like us
Hi BD:This has nothing to do with a sexual act. It was an act of love by God so that you and I could be saved.
How is it that you want to pick and choose the scriptures that you want to quote out of the bible?
ThIs is what the scripture states:
Quote Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quote Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If the act was not sexual then the act was not such that would create offspring. Jesus was put in the womb of Mary by His command. God is not a man to have children everything is His creation and all are His servants.Remember in Luke it says “He will be called” Son of The Most High not that He is The Son of The Most High.
Far be it for God to have a son:
(10) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Hi BD:Well, God said:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So, then is God lying?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I am sorry if I am confusing you, but I have already stated that those who find God through Jesus will be saved.
The issue is you must let Jesus guide you to know “The Father”
Your ultimate destiny lies with God Almighty and you must worship God Almighty. If you make partners with God Almighty you will perish so do not call Christ “God” and do not believe that God needs partners to execute His will.
I love Jesus and honor him as Christ but if I call him my God I am a liar because The Sovereign God is My Creator.
Hi BD:I don't call Jesus God, but I am subjected to God through him, and that is what is meant by confessing him as Lord.
Without the blood that was shed in our behalf, our sins cannot be washed away and therefore, we cannot have a personal relationship with God any other way.
This is what God has done for us because of His goodness, and it is because His goodness that the gospel is preached to every creature hoping that men will believe the truth and come to Him with a repentant heart through the provision that he has made.
But he has given men the freedom to choose.
God has shown you His love for you by providing the sacrifice for your sins in the person of His Son and His Christ, and I have shown you my love by telling you what He has said.
It is your choice as to whether or not you will believe the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus was Sacrificed by His Father?
Hi BD:God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed so that even the most wicked man of the face of the earth could be forgiven.
When he was crucified Jesus made incercession for those who delivered him up to be crucified and those who crucified him saying:
Quote Luk 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luk 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.In the following verses we see, that some of those who crucified him believed and were saved:
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 ¶ And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.Jeusus obeyed God even unto death of the cross in spite of what wicked men could do to him, and because he did he overcame sin and is able to make intercession for all of humanity including them.
Love in Christ,
Marty
How is it you believe that God believes in “Child Sacrifice”There is a big difference between a sacrifice and a crucifixion because according to Jewish law you cannot offer an abused sacrifice so who was offering Jesus up when in fact it was a murder plot.
A plot that God reveals in the Quran was out plotted by God for God is the best of planners.
One thing is for sure the Quran and the Bible state that Jesus was taken up to heaven alive.
Hi BD:No God does not believe in Child sacrifice, nor does He believe in men strapping on explosives and blowing themselves up as supposed martyrs.
Jesus wilfully obeyed God unto death on the cross. Man has the power to kill the body, and many times because of the threats of evil men, men will obey them rather than God. Jesus overcame sin by not yielding to their temptations or and by not sinning in spite of all of the insults, and what these wicked men could do to him. God did not kill him, but He did allow these men do to him all that has been written.
The scripture says that Jesus triumphed over them:
Quote 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
If Jesus had not been raised from the dead, these men and the rest of humanity would have gotten away with whatever sin they may have committed. They would have lived and died, and that would be the end of it, but because God declared Jesus not guilty and raised him from the dead, there will be a day of judgment coming for all men.
Quote 23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heav
en, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
If God had just taken Jesus up alive as the Quran states, this would not have accomplished what the foregoing scriptures show that was accomplished.
God is not willing that any man should perish, but that all should come to repentance, but he also is a God of justice, and He has said: “vengeance is mine, I will repay”.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 03 2009,16:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,15:08) Quote (942767 @ July 02 2009,10:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:56) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,15:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,15:04) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,14:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,14:43) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,13:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,12:55) Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD,
Jesus Christ is the son of God.
You too can follow him into sonship.
Let me ask you NickDid God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?
Hi BD:Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,You did not answer the question.
Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary?
In what way did God have offspring?
God does not have children like us
Hi BD:This has nothing to do with a sexual act. It was an act of love by God so that you and I could be saved.
How is it that you want to pick and choose the scriptures that you want to quote out of the bible?
ThIs is what the scripture states:
Quote Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Quote Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If the act was not sexual then the act was not such that would create offspring. Jesus was put in the womb of Mary by His command. God is not a man to have children everything is His creation and all are His servants.Remember in Luke it says “He will be called” Son of The Most High not that He is The Son of The Most High.
Far be it for God to have a son:
(10) O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Hi BD:Well, God said:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. So, then is God lying?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,I am sorry if I am confusing you, but I have already stated that those who find God through Jesus will be saved.
The issue is you must let Jesus guide you to know “The Father”
Your ultimate destiny lies with God Almighty and you must worship God Almighty. If you make partners with God Almighty you will perish so do not call Christ “God” and do not believe that God needs partners to execute His will.
I love Jesus and honor him as Christ but if I call him my God I am a liar because The Sovereign God is My Creator.
Hi BD:I don't call Jesus God, but I am subjected to God through him, and that is what is meant by confessing him as Lord.
Without the blood that was shed in our behalf, our sins cannot be washed away and therefore, we cannot have a personal relationship with God any other way.
This is what God has done for us because of His goodness, and it is because His goodness that the gospel is preached to every creature hoping that men will believe the truth and come to Him with a repentant heart through the provision that he has made.
But he has given men the freedom to choose.
God has shown you His love for you by providing the sacrifice for your sins in the person of His Son and His Christ, and I have shown you my love by telling you what He has said.
It is your choice as to whether or not you will believe the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
So Jesus was Sacrificed by His Father?
Hi BD:God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed so that even the most wicked man of the face of the earth could be forgiven.
When he was crucified Jesus made incercession for those who delivered him up to be crucified and those who crucified him saying:
Quote Luk 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luk 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided [him], saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.In the following verses we see, that some of those who crucified him believed and were saved:
Quote Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 ¶ And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.Jeusus obeyed God even unto death of the cross in spite of what wicked men could do to him, and because he did he overcame sin and is able to make intercession for all of humanity including them.
Love in Christ,
Marty
How is it you believe that God believes in “Child Sacrifice”There is a big difference between a sacrifice and a crucifixion because according to Jewish law you cannot offer an abused sacrifice so who was offering Jesus up when in fact it was a murder plot.
A plot that God reveals in the Quran was out plotted by God for God is the best of planners.
One thing is for sure the Quran and the Bible state that Jesus was taken up to heaven alive.
Hi BD:No God does not believe in Child sacrifice, nor does He believe in men strapping on explosives and blowing themselves up as supposed martyrs.
Jesus wilfully obeyed God unto death on the cross. Man has the power to kill the body, and many times because of the threats of evil men, men will obey them rather than God. Jesus overcame sin by not yielding to their temptations or and by not sinning in spite of all of the insults, and what these wicked men could do to him. God did not kill him, but He did allow these men do to him all that has been written.
The scripture says that Jesus triumphed over them:
Quote 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
If Jesus had not been raised from the dead, these men and the rest of humanity would have gotten away with whatever sin they may have committed. They would have lived and died, and that would be the end of it, but because God declared Jesus not guilty and raised him from the dead, there will be a day of judgment coming for all men.
Quote 23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
If God had just taken Jesus up alive as the Quran states, this would not have accomplished what the foregoing scriptures show that was accomplished.
God is not willing that any man should perish, but that all should come to repentance, but he also is a God of justice, and He has said: “vengeance is mine, I will repay”.
Love in Christ,
Marty
An-Nisa158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
159 And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-The truth is Jesus was innocent of all such charges and God saved him and raised him up to himself ALIVE and when he returns he would have been alive the entire time and hence his ability to mediate.
Have you ever seen this in the bible:
Psalm 27
5 For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.6 And now my head shall be lifted up above my enemies all around me;
Therefore I will offer sacrifices of joy in His tabernacle;
I will sing, yes, I will sing praises to the LORD.Psalm 32:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 For this cause everyone who is godly shall pray to You
In a time when You may be found;
Surely in a flood of great waters
They shall not come near him.
7 You are my hiding place;
You shall preserve me from trouble;
You shall surround me with songs of deliverance. SelahPsalm 64
1 Hear my voice, O God, in my meditation;
Preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret plots of the wicked,
From the rebellion of the workers of iniquity,
3 Who sharpen their tongue like a sword,
And bend their bows to shoot their arrows—bitter words,Isaiah 49
1 “Listen, O coastlands, to Me,
And take heed, you peoples from afar!
The LORD has called Me from the womb;
From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name.
2 And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword;
In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me,
And made Me a polished shaft;
In His quiver He has hidden Me.”
3 “ And He said to me,‘ You are My servant, O Israel,
In whom I will be glorified.’Ezekiel 18:19-21 (New King James Version)
19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.Jesus did not sin and therefore death was not due to him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2009,18:32) Hi BD,
Of course not.
But he was the scapegoat for your sin.
Yes, he was the scapegoat for sin, but guess what the Scapegoat in which all the sin is placed on is not sacrificed and must be presented before God ALIVE. When God revealed this to me some years ago it really blew me away but it's true.Leviticus 16
10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.Leviticus 16 (New King James Version)
20 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.Now you can understand why Jesus got baptized for the remission of sins it was not because of his sins which he had none it was for the sins of Israel and as regard to a suitable man who was more suitable than John the baptist?
Matthew 11
11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.That's why I know that Jesus did not die and those who believe in him have a living atonement if he had died he could not take on sin today.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:16) JESUS WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH JOHN 1:, 14
Manifested does not mean materialized. Manifested means evidenced.Jesus was a sign of evidence that God is Real.
Jesus was/is not God.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:21) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:16) JESUS WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH JOHN 1:, 14
Manifested does not mean materialized. Manifested means evidenced.Jesus was a sign of evidence that God is Real.
Jesus was/is not God.
Hi BDJesus is the “image of the invisible God” in other words he is the vislible image of God, or God making himself visible.
To see him as less than God is creating a false image of God.
WJ
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 03 2009,12:27) JESUS WAS THE VISIBLE IMMAGE OF GOD YES BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN HE PROCLAMED TO BE GOD?
Hi FollowerHe did, but most did not have ears to hear his claim, and so it is today.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2009,04:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:21) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:16) JESUS WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH JOHN 1:, 14
Manifested does not mean materialized. Manifested means evidenced.Jesus was a sign of evidence that God is Real.
Jesus was/is not God.
Hi BDJesus is the “image of the invisible God” in other words he is the vislible image of God, or God making himself visible.
To see him as less than God is creating a false image of God.
WJ
Man was made in the image of the invisible God so your point is limited in scope.To see him as less than God is to see him as Christ which is the image of Godliness.
Godliness is reflecting the image of God without defect.
You love God and I'm hoping you are very Godly if you are then I'm sure many people see God in you.
Saying that I can assure you that you are not God.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:27) JESUS WAS THE VISIBLE IMMAGE OF GOD YES BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN HE PROCLAMED TO BE GOD?
He made no such claim.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:31) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2009,04:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:21) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:16) JESUS WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH JOHN 1:, 14
Manifested does not mean materialized. Manifested means evidenced.Jesus was a sign of evidence that God is Real.
Jesus was/is not God.
Hi BDJesus is the “image of the invisible God” in other words he is the vislible image of God, or God making himself visible.
To see him as less than God is creating a false image of God.
WJ
Man was made in the image of the invisible God so your point is limited in scope.To see him as less than God is to see him as Christ which is the image of Godliness.
Godliness is reflecting the image of God without defect.
You love God and I'm hoping you are very Godly if you are then I'm sure many people see God in you.
Saying that I can assure you that you are not God.
Hi BDYour analogy falls short for man was made “In” the image of God, yet Jesus “Is” the image of the invisible God.
We are being made in his image (Jesus) because we are being made in the “image of God”. Get it?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2009,04:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:31) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2009,04:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,12:21) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 04 2009,04:16) JESUS WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH JOHN 1:, 14
Manifested does not mean materialized. Manifested means evidenced.Jesus was a sign of evidence that God is Real.
Jesus was/is not God.
Hi BDJesus is the “image of the invisible God” in other words he is the vislible image of God, or God making himself visible.
To see him as less than God is creating a false image of God.
WJ
Man was made in the image of the invisible God so your point is limited in scope.To see him as less than God is to see him as Christ which is the image of Godliness.
Godliness is reflecting the image of God without defect.
You love God and I'm hoping you are very Godly if you are then I'm sure many people see God in you.
Saying that I can assure you that you are not God.
Hi BDYou analogy falls short for man was made “In” the image of God, yet Jesus “Is” the image of the invisible God.
We are being made in his image (Jesus) because we are being made in the “image of God”. Get it?
WJ
WJ,God is still invisible God is a spirit those who worship Him worship him in spirit and truth.
The first man was made in the image of the invisible God
and so was Jesus and that is there similitude as well
both were made directly by God.An image is still an image go look at your image in the mirror and when you walk away you will still remain but your image will disappear. Your image is dependent upon you.
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