Jesus did not pre-exist

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  • #160717
    NickHassan
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    Hi Martian,
    ???

    #160718
    Anonymous
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    Rev 16:7 and I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.(NO CAPITAL ON Lord) 19;1 And after these things, I heard a great voiceof much people in heaven, saying Al-le-lu-ia, Salvation unto the Lord our God. (no capital there) REv. 21: 7(speakimg of jesus) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised even Moses shewed at the bush, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.(no capital on Lord there) Rev 1;8 (Jesus) I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning(pre-existed)and the ending, saith the Lord(no capitals) which is and which was and which is to come. The Almighty! I could show you so many more- So if Gen. says God created all things and col. says all things were created by Jesus, and other scripture tells us God is our only Savior and others say Jesus is our only Savior, which ones do you believe and not believe? Or do you ignore the ones that speak of Jesus?

    #160719
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kat,
    Jesus is meant to be your lord but you want him to be your God?[1cor8]
    Does his God mind?[Jn20.17]

    #160720
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I just quotted you scripture that says , He is our Lord God(no capitals) your ignoring them again! One Lord and One God!

    #160721
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KAT,
    If Jesus is your god and his Father is too then you have at least two gods.

    There is no trinity taught in scripture so no amount of implication or logic can justify such polytheism can it?

    come out of her

    #160722
    martian
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,05:23)
    Hi Martian,
    ???


    You seem to imply that it is a stretch to go from “idea” to “plan” I do not see the stretch. If God has an idea to create a world and beings in his image who are to grow into his character and likeness, he would have to have a plan to see it accomplished. Jesus is the fulfillment of that plan. The same plan that is there for all of us. It is true that Jesus had a mantle different then us as the messiah but his nature and ability to become like God is the same as us.

    #160723
    martian
    Participant

    Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,05:42)
    Rev 16:7 and I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.(NO CAPITAL ON Lord) 19;1 And after these things, I heard a great voiceof much people in heaven, saying Al-le-lu-ia, Salvation unto the Lord our God. (no capital there) REv. 21: 7(speakimg of jesus) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised even Moses shewed at the bush, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.(no capital on Lord there) Rev 1;8 (Jesus) I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning(pre-existed)and the ending, saith the Lord(no capitals) which is and which was and which is to come. The Almighty! I could show you so many more- So if Gen. says God created all things and col. says all things were created by Jesus, and other scripture tells us God is our only Savior and others say Jesus is our only Savior, which ones do you believe and not believe? Or do you ignore the ones that speak of Jesus?


    The upper case and lower case letters in the New Testament is invalid for proof. No originals of the text exist and the oldest of the existing copies contain no lower case letters and no punctuation marks. Those were added later by translators which can be easily influenced by their own doctrine.

    #160724
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Martian,
    Jesus spoke a lot about coming from heaven.
    Was he speaking of a plan coming or was it the Spirit speaking through him?

    #160725

    THE TRINITY IS SATAN'S FALSE DOCTRINE
    YESHUS HAMASHIACH IS YAHWEH'S SON!

    #160726

    The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH

    Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!]

    Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54
    Mark 5:7; 15:39
    Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
    John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26
    Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
    Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32
    1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
    2 Corinthians 1:19
    Galatians 4:4
    Colossians 1:13
    1 Thessalonians 1:10
    Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17
    2 Peter 1:17
    1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12
    2 John 1:9
    Revelation 2:8

    Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE!

    #160727

    Bible Verses Prove Trinity False

    Listed below are over a hundred individual Bible verses which prove conclusively that Yeshua HaMashiach was not Yahweh, but Yahweh's Son.

    Christians need to examine their own Bibles as to the accuracy of this information.

    Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16-17; 17:5; 27:54
    Mark 5:7; 15:39
    Luke 1:32; 1:35; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
    John 1:13; 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 5:37; 6:40; 6:69; 8:18; 8:42; 10:15; 10:36; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-16; 20:17; 20:31
    Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
    Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:29
    1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
    2 Corinthians 1:19
    Galatians 4:4
    Philippians 2:9
    Colossians 1:13
    1 Thessalonians 1:10
    1 Timothy 2:5
    Hebrews 1:2; 2:9; 4:14; 5:7-8
    1 Peter 1:3
    2 Peter 1:17
    1 John 1:3; 2:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:11-12
    2 John 1:9
    Revelation 2:18

    #160728

    Trinity Is Not A Christian Idea

    One idea that became popular among Christians around the fourth century was that of a trinity of gods. It was not, however, a new idea conceived by Christians, for there is much evidence of widespread belief in similar ideas throughout earlier recorded history.

    Many scholars believe that the Trinity, as taught by Christians, comes from Plato as suggested in the Timaeus, but the Platonic trinity is itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples.

    Ref: Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, Vol. 2, by M. Lachatre, c.1865, Paris

    In Indian religion there is the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Vishna, and Shiva; in Egyptian religion there is the group of Kneph, Phthas, and Osiris. In Phoenicia the trinity of gods were Ulomus, Ulosuros, and Eliun. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon, and Aidoneus.

    In Rome they were Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. In Babylonia and Assyria they were Anos, lllinos, and Aos. Among Celtic nations they were called Kriosan, Biosena, and Siva, and in Germanic nations they were called Thor, Wodan, and Fricco

    Ref: God, by Paul Johnson, c. 1938, pub. By P.S.L. Johnson, Philadelphia, Pa.

    Trinities of gods existed in other cultures as well, including, but not limited to, those of Siberia, Persia, Japan, Scandinavia, and Mexico.

    We can see, therefore, that although the Trinity is characteristic of the Christian religion, it is by no means peculiar to it.

    Ref: Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, Vol. 2, by M. Lachatre, c.1865, Paris

    Ref: God, by Paul Johnson, c. 1938, pub. By P.S.L. Johnson, Philadelphia, Pa.

    #160729
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    CT…………Indeed trinity of gods goes far back to it origins in Pagan teachings and has continued to this very day, in Christianity.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

    #160730
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    trinitarians dont beleive in Gods-ONE GOD!!

    #160731
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,13:23)
    trinitarians dont beleive in Gods-ONE GOD!!


    Yes they do! Is Jesus God?

    #160732
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    YES HE IS!! You will see one of these days!

    #160733
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,13:39)
    YES HE IS!! You will see one of these days!


    Okay so that is One God, is Jesus the Only God there is?

    #160734
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kat,
    Then Who is the God of Jesus?[Jn20.17]
    Who is the God of the Jews?[Jn8.54]

    #160735
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    YES- Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one.

    #160736
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,13:44)
    YES- Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one.


    So is Jesus the Father?

    Is the Father, God?

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