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Rev 16:7 and I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.(NO CAPITAL ON Lord) 19;1 And after these things, I heard a great voiceof much people in heaven, saying Al-le-lu-ia, Salvation unto the Lord our God. (no capital there) REv. 21: 7(speakimg of jesus) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised even Moses shewed at the bush, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.(no capital on Lord there) Rev 1;8 (Jesus) I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning(pre-existed)and the ending, saith the Lord(no capitals) which is and which was and which is to come. The Almighty! I could show you so many more- So if Gen. says God created all things and col. says all things were created by Jesus, and other scripture tells us God is our only Savior and others say Jesus is our only Savior, which ones do you believe and not believe? Or do you ignore the ones that speak of Jesus?
Hi Kat,
Jesus is meant to be your lord but you want him to be your God?[1cor8]
Does his God mind?[Jn20.17]I just quotted you scripture that says , He is our Lord God(no capitals) your ignoring them again! One Lord and One God!
Hi KAT,
If Jesus is your god and his Father is too then you have at least two gods.There is no trinity taught in scripture so no amount of implication or logic can justify such polytheism can it?
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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,05:23) Hi Martian,
You seem to imply that it is a stretch to go from “idea” to “plan” I do not see the stretch. If God has an idea to create a world and beings in his image who are to grow into his character and likeness, he would have to have a plan to see it accomplished. Jesus is the fulfillment of that plan. The same plan that is there for all of us. It is true that Jesus had a mantle different then us as the messiah but his nature and ability to become like God is the same as us.Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,05:42) Rev 16:7 and I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.(NO CAPITAL ON Lord) 19;1 And after these things, I heard a great voiceof much people in heaven, saying Al-le-lu-ia, Salvation unto the Lord our God. (no capital there) REv. 21: 7(speakimg of jesus) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised even Moses shewed at the bush, when he called the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.(no capital on Lord there) Rev 1;8 (Jesus) I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning(pre-existed)and the ending, saith the Lord(no capitals) which is and which was and which is to come. The Almighty! I could show you so many more- So if Gen. says God created all things and col. says all things were created by Jesus, and other scripture tells us God is our only Savior and others say Jesus is our only Savior, which ones do you believe and not believe? Or do you ignore the ones that speak of Jesus?
The upper case and lower case letters in the New Testament is invalid for proof. No originals of the text exist and the oldest of the existing copies contain no lower case letters and no punctuation marks. Those were added later by translators which can be easily influenced by their own doctrine.Hi Martian,
Jesus spoke a lot about coming from heaven.
Was he speaking of a plan coming or was it the Spirit speaking through him?The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH
Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!]
Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54
Mark 5:7; 15:39
Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26
Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32
1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
2 Corinthians 1:19
Galatians 4:4
Colossians 1:13
1 Thessalonians 1:10
Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17
2 Peter 1:17
1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12
2 John 1:9
Revelation 2:8Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE!
Bible Verses Prove Trinity False
Listed below are over a hundred individual Bible verses which prove conclusively that Yeshua HaMashiach was not Yahweh, but Yahweh's Son.
Christians need to examine their own Bibles as to the accuracy of this information.
Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16-17; 17:5; 27:54
Mark 5:7; 15:39
Luke 1:32; 1:35; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
John 1:13; 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 5:37; 6:40; 6:69; 8:18; 8:42; 10:15; 10:36; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-16; 20:17; 20:31
Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:29
1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
2 Corinthians 1:19
Galatians 4:4
Philippians 2:9
Colossians 1:13
1 Thessalonians 1:10
1 Timothy 2:5
Hebrews 1:2; 2:9; 4:14; 5:7-8
1 Peter 1:3
2 Peter 1:17
1 John 1:3; 2:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:11-12
2 John 1:9
Revelation 2:18Trinity Is Not A Christian Idea
One idea that became popular among Christians around the fourth century was that of a trinity of gods. It was not, however, a new idea conceived by Christians, for there is much evidence of widespread belief in similar ideas throughout earlier recorded history.
Many scholars believe that the Trinity, as taught by Christians, comes from Plato as suggested in the Timaeus, but the Platonic trinity is itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples.
Ref: Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, Vol. 2, by M. Lachatre, c.1865, Paris
In Indian religion there is the Trinitarian group of Brahma, Vishna, and Shiva; in Egyptian religion there is the group of Kneph, Phthas, and Osiris. In Phoenicia the trinity of gods were Ulomus, Ulosuros, and Eliun. In Greece they were Zeus, Poseidon, and Aidoneus.
In Rome they were Jupiter, Neptune, and Pluto. In Babylonia and Assyria they were Anos, lllinos, and Aos. Among Celtic nations they were called Kriosan, Biosena, and Siva, and in Germanic nations they were called Thor, Wodan, and Fricco
Ref: God, by Paul Johnson, c. 1938, pub. By P.S.L. Johnson, Philadelphia, Pa.
Trinities of gods existed in other cultures as well, including, but not limited to, those of Siberia, Persia, Japan, Scandinavia, and Mexico.
We can see, therefore, that although the Trinity is characteristic of the Christian religion, it is by no means peculiar to it.
Ref: Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, Vol. 2, by M. Lachatre, c.1865, Paris
Ref: God, by Paul Johnson, c. 1938, pub. By P.S.L. Johnson, Philadelphia, Pa.
CT…………Indeed trinity of gods goes far back to it origins in Pagan teachings and has continued to this very day, in Christianity.
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
trinitarians dont beleive in Gods-ONE GOD!!
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,13:23) trinitarians dont beleive in Gods-ONE GOD!!
Yes they do! Is Jesus God?YES HE IS!! You will see one of these days!
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,13:39) YES HE IS!! You will see one of these days!
Okay so that is One God, is Jesus the Only God there is?YES- Father, Son, Holy Spirit are one.
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