Jesus christ is he god?

[Constitutionalist]

Bible Verses Prove Trinity False

Listed below are over a hundred individual Bible verses which prove conclusively that Yeshua HaMashiach was not Yahweh, but Yahweh's Son.

Christians need to examine their own Bibles as to the accuracy of this information.

Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16-17; 17:5; 27:54
Mark 5:7; 15:39
Luke 1:32; 1:35; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22
John 1:13; 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 5:37; 6:40; 6:69; 8:18; 8:42; 10:15; 10:36; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-16; 20:17; 20:31
Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20
Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:29
1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28
2 Corinthians 1:19
Galatians 4:4
Philippians 2:9
Colossians 1:13
1 Thessalonians 1:10
1 Timothy 2:5
Hebrews 1:2; 2:9; 4:14; 5:7-8
1 Peter 1:3
2 Peter 1:17
1 John 1:3; 2:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:11-12
2 John 1:9
Revelation 2:18

[Constitutionalist]

Concerning the Christian Trinity concept, J. L. Mckenzie, in his book, Dictionary of the Bible, states: “The Trinity of persons withing the unity of nature is defined in terms of 'person' and 'nature' which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible.”

The New Schaffe-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. 12, ed. S. Jackson, reprint of early 1900's edition republished by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Mich.

[Constitutionalist]

The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history.

The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity.

The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being.

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Active force?
That sounds like the JW idea.
However scripture teaches that the Spirit is as the Finger of God[mt12/lk11]
But the Lord is the Spirit and we can fellowship with the Father and the Son in that comforting and teaching Spirit

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:02)

The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!] Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 Mark 5:7; 15:39 Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 2 Corinthians 1:19 Galatians 4:4 Colossians 1:13 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 2 Peter 1:17 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 2 John 1:9 Revelation 2:8 Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE!

Hello Constitutionalist,

Nice to meet you.

And yet the same bible says,

John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Love ya,
Chris

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06)

The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being.

And I'm just sure that one cannot find the mysteries of God by deduction, research or logical reasoning.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2009,18:11)

Hi CON, Active force? That sounds like the JW idea. However scripture teaches that the Spirit is as the Finger of God[mt12/lk11] But the Lord is the Spirit and we can fellowship with the Father and the Son in that comforting and teaching Spirit

You wish to dietize the Holy Spirit?

Why do you always need to apply labels?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:20)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06) The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being. And I'm just sure that one cannot find the mysteries of God by deduction, research or logical reasoning.

Maybe thats the problem, you see it as a mystery.

Are you aware the RCC for most of its history taught that the bible was a mystery and only they could shed light upon the people?

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06)

The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (New King James Version)

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct[a] your paths.

It kinda seems like the God wouldn't have said “lean not on your own understanding”, unless He really meant it.

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:23)

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:20) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06) The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being. And I'm just sure that one cannot find the mysteries of God by deduction, research or logical reasoning. Maybe thats the problem, you see it as a mystery. Are you aware the RCC for most of its history taught that the bible was a mystery and only they could shed light upon the people?

It certainly is sad that RCC teaches such things. However, not I but the bible teaches that there are many mysteries within God's word, and it is God who sheds light on it.

The real problem is when men starts believing that they can rightly divide the word of God by leaning on their own understanding.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:16)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:02) The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!] Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 Mark 5:7; 15:39 Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 2 Corinthians 1:19 Galatians 4:4 Colossians 1:13 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 2 Peter 1:17 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 2 John 1:9 Revelation 2:8 Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE! Hello Constitutionalist, Nice to meet you. And yet the same bible says, John 10:27-30 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Love ya, Chris

And that statement makes Yeshua HaMashiach into Yahweh”?

Because he was given authority? Or He was one with the Father?

John 10:30 I and Father are one.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Are you Yahweh? (John 17:21) You are “one” in them.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd.

John 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

Zechariah 4:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

[NickHassan]

Hi RFC,
Mystery babylon makes mysterious what is plain.
The Father and the Son are indeed united and you should join with them as one.
That is the plan of God; but you would no more become God than the Son could become his Father.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:26)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06) The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being. Proverbs 3:5-6 (New King James Version) 5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,      And lean not on your own understanding;       6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,      And He shall direct[a] your paths. It kinda seems like the God wouldn't have said “lean not on your own understanding”, unless He really meant it.

Thus you need scripture and the Spirit.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:31)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:23) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:20) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:06) The concept of the Trinity, as taught by Christian religions, did not exist, and could not have existed, during all of Biblical history. The deduction, by factual research and logical reasoning, is that there is absolutely no evidence or proof that there is a Trinity. The evidence, in fact, proves the opposite, there is definitely not a Trinity. The Father is Yahovah, the Creator of the Universe. The Son is Yeshua HaMashiach, begotten by the Father. And the Holy Spirit is 'elohim's power, his active force, not a person or being. And I'm just sure that one cannot find the mysteries of God by deduction, research or logical reasoning. Maybe thats the problem, you see it as a mystery. Are you aware the RCC for most of its history taught that the bible was a mystery and only they could shed light upon the people? It certainly is sad that RCC teaches such things. However, not I but the bible teaches that there are many mysteries within God's word, and it is God who sheds light on it. The real problem is when men starts believing that they can rightly divide the word of God by leaning on their own understanding.

It is not a mystery if Yahweh shed's light on it, is it?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2009,18:34)

Hi RFC, Mystery babylon makes mysterious what is plain. The Father and the Son are indeed united and you should join with them as one. That is the plan of God; but you would no more become God than the Son could become his Father.

Agreed

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:34)

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:02) The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!] Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 Mark 5:7; 15:39 Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 2 Corinthians 1:19 Galatians 4:4 Colossians 1:13 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 2 Peter 1:17 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 2 John 1:9 Revelation 2:8 Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE! Hello Constitutionalist, Nice to meet you. And yet the same bible says, John 10:27-30 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Love ya, Chris And that statement makes Yeshua HaMashiach into Yahweh”? Because he was given authority? Or He was one with the Father? John 10:30 I and Father are one. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Are you Yahweh? (John 17:21) You are “one” in them. John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we. John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd. John 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: Zechariah 4:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Because there are many members in one body, doesn't make them any the less one body. All the scriptures you shared only go further to affirm my beliefs. That you don't understand that is sad to say the least. However, that you don't understand doesn't make it any the less truth.

Love ya,
Chris

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:39)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:34) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:02) The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!] Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 Mark 5:7; 15:39 Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 2 Corinthians 1:19 Galatians 4:4 Colossians 1:13 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 2 Peter 1:17 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 2 John 1:9 Revelation 2:8 Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE! Hello Constitutionalist, Nice to meet you. And yet the same bible says, John 10:27-30 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Love ya, Chris And that statement makes Yeshua HaMashiach into Yahweh”? Because he was given authority? Or He was one with the Father? John 10:30 I and Father are one. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Are you Yahweh? (John 17:21) You are “one” in them. John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we. John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd. John 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: Zechariah 4:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Because there are many members in one body, doesn't make them any the less one body. All the scriptures you shared only go further to affirm my beliefs. That you don't understand that is sad to say the least. However, that you don't understand doesn't make it any the less truth. Love ya, Chris

By your implications that I do not understand cements your conclusion as truth?

You said absolutly nothing in your last comment except “Your right and I am wrong”.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:39)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:34) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 11 2009,18:02) The Son of YAHWEH Became the Son of Man So that We, the Sons of Man, May Become the Sons of YAHWEH Here are 60 Bible texts which prove conclusively that Yeshua was NOT YAHWEH, but RATHER the SON of YAHWEH. [If in fact He WAS YAHWEH, (as trinitarians would want us to believe), He could not have really died; and the act of paying the Ransom would merely have been a hoax!] Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 Mark 5:7; 15:39 Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 2 Corinthians 1:19 Galatians 4:4 Colossians 1:13 1 Thessalonians 1:10 Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 2 Peter 1:17 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 2 John 1:9 Revelation 2:8 Since these texts exist in Yahweh's Word, the Gospel story has been told over and over again. However, it could NOT be told if Yeshua had really been Yahweh and the ransom had not actually been paid! YAHWEH CAN”T DIE! Hello Constitutionalist, Nice to meet you. And yet the same bible says, John 10:27-30 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Love ya, Chris And that statement makes Yeshua HaMashiach into Yahweh”? Because he was given authority? Or He was one with the Father? John 10:30 I and Father are one. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Are you Yahweh? (John 17:21) You are “one” in them. John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we. John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd. John 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: Zechariah 4:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Because there are many members in one body, doesn't make them any the less one body. All the scriptures you shared only go further to affirm my beliefs. That you don't understand that is sad to say the least. However, that you don't understand doesn't make it any the less truth. Love ya, Chris

So then you are Yahweh?

[rancherforChrist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2009,18:34)

Hi RFC, Mystery babylon makes mysterious what is plain. The Father and the Son are indeed united and you should join with them as one. That is the plan of God; but you would no more become God than the Son could become his Father.

And would you have me believe that you are one with the Father and the Son, while you're telling me what I “should” do. I have never professed to be God. And since God's Holy Spirit dwells in me and fills me, am I still not joined with the Father and the Son? Or would you still try so hard to convince me that I am not already His, just because you disagree with me?

[NickHassan]

Hi RFC,
If you are devoted to God then abide in the scriptures[2Jn9]
There is no trinity taught in scripture but only in the books of men.

Best to go back to the source=scripture.

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