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i was raised a jw from 1973-1989.
i went from child to teanager because i lived at home and was made to.
i never really cared for religion, really JW view since its all i knew, it seemed very judgmental towards others and also was very hard.
felt as though i was never good enough or doing the right things and that i would have to try to work extra hard to compensate for something i might have done wrong.
even though works are not what saves its worship and faith.
it felt like stumblings blocks were put up, but they were self inflicted ones and that it was always one law after another after another that was holding one back from really loving god and felling accepted by him.
when i was growing up i remember being taught that the dinosaurs were wiped out during the flood of noah.
that there was only one god and that he created all, yet now they teach it more as to god did it with jesus but it was only discussed as god did it and not really include jesus when i went.
that there was only one god and that those others worshiped were false man made gods. now its there are many gods but only one almighty god, and saying there really are gods and not just made up ones.
that they didn't perdict in the 70's that the end was comming and that pursing more education was not really important in life.
they did, i remember. thus people listened and possibly took it as it was going to happen in a matter of years. then had to recant saying thats not what they meant.
that i was told not to go to after school activities because it was not important and could distract oneself from god.
to say they are the only ones that truely know the scriptures and are right and all else will perish with satan if they do not beleive their beliefs just didn't feel right.
now what is good is that they, as well as christianity as a whole want to worship only the father, god jehovah as the almighty god and hold jesus for his role as savior and god's son and to have faith in his teachings and preaching that it was from god and is his will for man to do.
but what i think hurts them is really the peoclaiming to be rightous over others and are the only way and all else will perish.
i have noticed that they have become less openly judgemental and choose their words more wisely and are a little less strict on some views.
but to have used the kjv bible and it was ok then, but when they made their own they decided it was better and what should be used. they say they don't care what bible is used if they come to preach to you becasue the scriptures apeach truth,but it does to them if you want to continue with them.
i don't hate them or want to bash them for in the end they want to do what christianity as a whole wants, but seem to be more stict as say the puritans were.
they need to lose the holy than thou act, we are right you are wrong on every issue basically.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,12:48) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilentlambsStuart
i'm sure that happens, there are good and bad in all peoples no matter what religion.i when growing up going never heard or seen claims to sexual abuse though.
Hi p2a,
All of that effort was wasted.
Not by might nor by power but by the Spirit[Zech]
You must seek first the kingdom, to be born again of water and the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 31 2009,13:05) Hi p2a,
All of that effort was wasted.
Not by might nor by power but by the Spirit[Zech]
You must seek first the kingdom, to be born again of water and the Spirit.
well they are very spiritual and dedicated and seek the kingdom as they think is right,views are different than others but in the end they do as what most others say is needed.
its just the mentality that they are only the true way and that all others outside their belief will perish with satan is a bit over the top.
they need ot lose the self given authority of things only god and jesus will do, which is judge. they (the father and his son) already can read the hearts of man for what we are.
no institution can be god's judgement.
as far as seeking the kingdom and following god's way is really what it should be about. you are correct nick.
do that and let god & his son do their part
i know when jesus said to the samaritan woman at the well, that it didn't matter where one worshiped.
so as long as you do what god has shown, with your whole heart,soul & mind then one has reason to rejoice, for you will be in their hand and thus noone can pluck you from it.
Hi P2A,
Yes their religion is just another varaint of man's myriad attempts to please God.
But there is only one plant that will not be plucked out and that is God's one.Hi
For the last probably 15 years iv known a number of JWs wherever we moved to, iv studied with them on and off, and knew them all as friends. I find them good people, and admire the dedication they show. One I got pretty close to, she said she wanted to make sure everyone in the town had heard her message, she'd come from a pretty tough background and had cleaned up her life so much, she was so strong in what she believed and wanted to do, its like they are doing the work of Jesus, and I admire them for that.
At one stage in my frantic search for a group to join, I had my list narrowed down to: Jehovah Witness, Morman, Islam.
What made me wipe JWs off the list was that they dont believe in healing and miracles. And they tend to use the magazines and books too much, I found all the magazines and books mind boggling. I prefered to learn from God not some men in a building somewhere telling everyone what to believe
So I told them exactly that,
I still see them, still get the magazines they hand me, they know where I stand, but I love them still the same, I think theyre good people. I admire that they dont go to war too.
Karmarie I assume you rejected islam. Can I ask why (for the devious purpose of pointing it out to BD)?
That leaves…mormon. Are you an ultra-conservative resident of Salt Lake City?
How does that play with your history that you have told us about?
Stuart
Hi Stuart
I wiped Islam off the list cause it doesnt share my beliefs in who Jesus is, but Islam cleaned up my lie for a while, my husband and kids actually thought it was great.
Morman – Salt Lake City uh, I live in NZ haha
Um what history was that?
I never became a Morman, for a couple of reasons,
And oh you mean that history,
Its really not THAT bad,
No I didn't think you were that bad!
While the extreme conservatism of especially those LDSs who live in the sanitised whiter-than-white environs of Utah is despicable, and the whole basis of the con job that is the invention of their religion is a joke, I will say this for them: they send their young men out into the world to experience it, which can only be a good thing for them. I find that once my suited pair of bicycling visitors have had it explained to them that in my opinion most of what they think they know about Jesus is actually wrong, we can get on to interesting discussions about their travels and ideas about what they have seen.
The JWs I see are a bit miserable by comparison, and I think a lot of them do their evangelical duty without much passion for it. Shame really, I am sure they are well-meaning, decent people but the Governing Body requires them to do nasty things like tell fairy stories to their neighbours with a straight face and make their children die for want of a simple blood transfusion. I assume you would simply refuse to follow that requirement should the need for a transfusion arise.
Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 31 2009,13:24) Hi P2A,
Yes their religion is just another varaint of man's myriad attempts to please God.
But there is only one plant that will not be plucked out and that is God's one.
i think that these institutions or churches or organizations are tools to help those like minded people stay focused and be a building blocks against the worlds system of things and that in good to that sense one really should not be all alone .but i know where you are comming from about it being from within you, it must be in your heart you doing not of a organization or outside source.
thats why my beleif is that if you take to heart that what god had instructed
by worshiping only him and having jesus in your heart and faith, for his purpose and place and that you let that spiritual faith showby your works, which are thet fruits of that spiritual seed or faith comming forth it is then by truth of worship that you are.
that is why i think that its not really a certain religion or certain place of worship but from within oneself tht it resides.
if those religions/churches/orginizations all have that core belief all are are a helpful tool for the support of one to contiune to follow, and that the small petty diference shouldn't matter and all should be joyous together for tht common belief.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,22:45) No I didn't think you were that bad! While the extreme conservatism of especially those LDSs who live in the sanitised whiter-than-white environs of Utah is despicable, and the whole basis of the con job that is the invention of their religion is a joke, I will say this for them: they send their young men out into the world to experience it, which can only be a good thing for them. I find that once my suited pair of bicycling visitors have had it explained to them that in my opinion most of what they think they know about Jesus is actually wrong, we can get on to interesting discussions about their travels and ideas about what they have seen.
The JWs I see are a bit miserable by comparison, and I think a lot of them do their evangelical duty without much passion for it. Shame really, I am sure they are well-meaning, decent people but the Governing Body requires them to do nasty things like tell fairy stories to their neighbours with a straight face and make their children die for want of a simple blood transfusion. I assume you would simply refuse to follow that requirement should the need for a transfusion arise.
Stuart
Mormans have a belief that we pre existed in heaven before coming here to earth, and knew God , we are his children, I believe the same thing sort of, not cause I heard it from them either.Im prob not making much sense, its 1.30 am, think I better go to bed!!
nite.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,22:45) No I didn't think you were that bad! While the extreme conservatism of especially those LDSs who live in the sanitised whiter-than-white environs of Utah is despicable, and the whole basis of the con job that is the invention of their religion is a joke, I will say this for them: they send their young men out into the world to experience it, which can only be a good thing for them. I find that once my suited pair of bicycling visitors have had it explained to them that in my opinion most of what they think they know about Jesus is actually wrong, we can get on to interesting discussions about their travels and ideas about what they have seen.
The JWs I see are a bit miserable by comparison, and I think a lot of them do their evangelical duty without much passion for it. Shame really, I am sure they are well-meaning, decent people but the Governing Body requires them to do nasty things like tell fairy stories to their neighbours with a straight face and make their children die for want of a simple blood transfusion. I assume you would simply refuse to follow that requirement should the need for a transfusion arise.
Stuart
stu ,i see that you cut down all religion or views of it. are you an athiest?well i see you think you know about certain religions but do not.
i was raised as a JW, mind you i never took it to heart. i went because i was a kid and my parents made me, still i know all there is about the orginizartio pretty much.
for one they are not made to do anything that they don't beieve.
also they preach with more zeal and faith than any other, who else do you see giving up their life and time to spreading the word, goodness sake they go to your door in hopes to spread what they think is god's word.
whether or not its your way or not, its what they think is right and try to spread what they think is god's hope for us.
never was baptised and i was not treated any different than one that was. if you beleive, you do what you think is right, if that means getting baptised and being faithful to the JW belief or whatever.
you are not forced or made to do anything you don't want. there are doors. you can get up and leave and never come back. happens all the time, i did i left at 18 and thr ones i know are still very nice to me and polite and good natured.
they can beleive and do what they want just as everyone else. i am not one myself but im not about to be like you or others that bash or show hate towards them or any other religion one might not agree with.
and speak as if you know what your saying
how does that make you look doing that, if your another religion or a perosn who only believes in himself puts you out there to be a ignorant mean spirited low person. that makes your own beleif even worse.
i didn't start this thread to be a hateful disrespectful thread.
whatever faith you are you should be respectful, tolerant of them.
Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 31 2009,23:38) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,22:45) No I didn't think you were that bad! While the extreme conservatism of especially those LDSs who live in the sanitised whiter-than-white environs of Utah is despicable, and the whole basis of the con job that is the invention of their religion is a joke, I will say this for them: they send their young men out into the world to experience it, which can only be a good thing for them. I find that once my suited pair of bicycling visitors have had it explained to them that in my opinion most of what they think they know about Jesus is actually wrong, we can get on to interesting discussions about their travels and ideas about what they have seen.
The JWs I see are a bit miserable by comparison, and I think a lot of them do their evangelical duty without much passion for it. Shame really, I am sure they are well-meaning, decent people but the Governing Body requires them to do nasty things like tell fairy stories to their neighbours with a straight face and make their children die for want of a simple blood transfusion. I assume you would simply refuse to follow that requirement should the need for a transfusion arise.
Stuart
Mormans have a belief that we pre existed in heaven before coming here to earth, and knew God , we are his children, I believe the same thing sort of, not cause I heard it from them either.Im prob not making much sense, its 1.30 am, think I better go to bed!!
nite.
i think that they believe that they get to inhabit there own planet with thier own eve and start over as adam & ever did here.i don't know about that myself, but thats there way not mind and that fine if its what they want.
my question then is , do they also believe in any of the holy scriptures, that god is only to be worsgiped as the almighty god and creator of all and hold his son for what god has told and to keeo him as the focal point of our lives and to live for him.
because then the end outcome is what god wants even if they might have a little twist of things compared to others.
thts god thig since the start.
live with love for him and all others, thank him for all these wonderous things he created and appreciate the chance to have been given his grace, to be under his perfect kingdom.
im not going to judge a faith let god do that. let god read their hearts i need to worry about keeping mine in tune, thts hard enough
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 31 2009,23:58) stu ,i see that you cut down all religion or views of it. are you an athiest? well i see you think you know about certain religions but do not.
i was raised as a JW, mind you i never took it to heart. i went because i was a kid and my parents made me, still i know all there is about the orginizartio pretty much.
for one they are not made to do anything that they don't beieve.
also they preach with more zeal and faith than any other, who else do you see giving up their life and time to spreading the word, goodness sake they go to your door in hopes to spread what they think is god's word.
whether or not its your way or not, its what they think is right and try to spread what they think is god's hope for us.
never was baptised and i was not treated any different than one that was. if you beleive, you do what you think is right, if that means getting baptised and being faithful to the JW belief or whatever.
you are not forced or made to do anything you don't want. there are doors. you can get up and leave and never come back. happens all the time, i did i left at 18 and thr ones i know are still very nice to me and polite and good natured.
they can beleive and do what they want just as everyone else. i am not one myself but im not about to be like you or others that bash or show hate towards them or any other religion one might not agree with.
and speak as if you know what your saying
how does that make you look doing that, if your another religion or a perosn who only believes in himself puts you out there to be a ignorant mean spirited low person. that makes your own beleif even worse.
i didn't start this thread to be a hateful disrespectful thread.
whatever faith you are you should be respectful, tolerant of them.
I am respectful and tolerant towards people (except creationists who are either woefully ignorant or else liars). But why do the silly ideas JWs carry in their heads deserve respect? I expect to be challenged on what I believe, but it seems you think I should not be. Yet you are happy for the JWs to visit me and challenge what I believe. That doesn't quite add up, does it!Like I said, they are decent people who bring their children to the door and they regurgitate doctrines that I really don't think they believe at all. It is not very difficult to convince them that they are wrong.
Of course all I have to go on is my experience talking to JWs who have chanced upon me.
I am sure those with a vested interest in the political power they get from being in charge of a christian cult like this take it far more seriously. As it happens I think it is at best fatuous nonsense for the idiots who invented it to tell people that the bible says they are not allowed blood transfusions; at worst they have many preventable deaths on their hands. In ANY OTHER SITUATION you would be outraged, but because it is a dogma of religious faith, we should respect it. Sorry, but bollocks to that.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2010,00:51) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 31 2009,23:58) stu ,i see that you cut down all religion or views of it. are you an athiest? well i see you think you know about certain religions but do not.
i was raised as a JW, mind you i never took it to heart. i went because i was a kid and my parents made me, still i know all there is about the orginizartio pretty much.
for one they are not made to do anything that they don't beieve.
also they preach with more zeal and faith than any other, who else do you see giving up their life and time to spreading the word, goodness sake they go to your door in hopes to spread what they think is god's word.
whether or not its your way or not, its what they think is right and try to spread what they think is god's hope for us.
never was baptised and i was not treated any different than one that was. if you beleive, you do what you think is right, if that means getting baptised and being faithful to the JW belief or whatever.
you are not forced or made to do anything you don't want. there are doors. you can get up and leave and never come back. happens all the time, i did i left at 18 and thr ones i know are still very nice to me and polite and good natured.
they can beleive and do what they want just as everyone else. i am not one myself but im not about to be like you or others that bash or show hate towards them or any other religion one might not agree with.
and speak as if you know what your saying
how does that make you look doing that, if your another religion or a perosn who only believes in himself puts you out there to be a ignorant mean spirited low person. that makes your own beleif even worse.
i didn't start this thread to be a hateful disrespectful thread.
whatever faith you are you should be respectful, tolerant of them.
I am respectful and tolerant towards people (except creationists who are either woefully ignorant or else liars). But why do the silly ideas JWs carry in their heads deserve respect? I expect to be challenged on what I believe, but it seems you think I should not be. Yet you are happy for the JWs to visit me and challenge what I believe. That doesn't quite add up, does it!Like I said, they are decent people who bring their children to the door and they regurgitate doctrines that I really don't think they believe at all. It is not very difficult to convince them that they are wrong.
Of course all I have to go on is my experience talking to JWs who have chanced upon me.
I am sure those with a vested interest in the political power they get from being in charge of a christian cult like this take it far more seriously. As it happens I think it is at best fatuous nonsense for the idiots who invented it to tell people that the bible says they are not allowed blood transfusions; at worst they have many preventable deaths on their hands. In ANY OTHER SITUATION you would be outraged, but because it is a dogma of religious faith, we should respect it. Sorry, but bollocks to that.
Stuart
i guess there is equal contempt from both sides in certain individuals.
i personally don't care because we each go on our own pathway and don't hold you less than any other. we all can do what we choose.i like to think to think that we are not random nothing in nothingness.
thanks
creation doesn't equal ignorance or lies.
many things about the bible are proven truth and fact and i'm sure more and more will be shown as that also.
if its ignorant to think that there is a almighty god that created all and conveyed his message to man through the holy scriptures that is also a history of places and people from early on and has many factual proven things in it
then it is also ignorant that one thinks everything has just always been and always will and no purpose does it hold.
then it would be fair to say all of mankind is ignorant and liers.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2010,00:51) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 31 2009,23:58) stu ,i see that you cut down all religion or views of it. are you an athiest? well i see you think you know about certain religions but do not.
i was raised as a JW, mind you i never took it to heart. i went because i was a kid and my parents made me, still i know all there is about the orginizartio pretty much.
for one they are not made to do anything that they don't beieve.
also they preach with more zeal and faith than any other, who else do you see giving up their life and time to spreading the word, goodness sake they go to your door in hopes to spread what they think is god's word.
whether or not its your way or not, its what they think is right and try to spread what they think is god's hope for us.
never was baptised and i was not treated any different than one that was. if you beleive, you do what you think is right, if that means getting baptised and being faithful to the JW belief or whatever.
you are not forced or made to do anything you don't want. there are doors. you can get up and leave and never come back. happens all the time, i did i left at 18 and thr ones i know are still very nice to me and polite and good natured.
they can beleive and do what they want just as everyone else. i am not one myself but im not about to be like you or others that bash or show hate towards them or any other religion one might not agree with.
and speak as if you know what your saying
how does that make you look doing that, if your another religion or a perosn who only believes in himself puts you out there to be a ignorant mean spirited low person. that makes your own beleif even worse.
i didn't start this thread to be a hateful disrespectful thread.
whatever faith you are you should be respectful, tolerant of them.
I am respectful and tolerant towards people (except creationists who are either woefully ignorant or else liars). But why do the silly ideas JWs carry in their heads deserve respect? I expect to be challenged on what I believe, but it seems you think I should not be. Yet you are happy for the JWs to visit me and challenge what I believe. That doesn't quite add up, does it!Like I said, they are decent people who bring their children to the door and they regurgitate doctrines that I really don't think they believe at all. It is not very difficult to convince them that they are wrong.
Of course all I have to go on is my experience talking to JWs who have chanced upon me.
I am sure those with a vested interest in the political power they get from being in charge of a christian cult like this take it far more seriously. As it happens I think it is at best fatuous nonsense for the idiots who invented it to tell people that the bible says they are not allowed blood transfusions; at worst they have many preventable deaths on their hands. In ANY OTHER SITUATION you would be outraged, but because it is a dogma of religious faith, we should respect it. Sorry, but bollocks to that.
Stuart
i wasn't only talking about jw, i said of certain religions becuse you were also cutting down morman and muslims.thats why i figured you to be a athiest.
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