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Quote The question is still WHY would you doubt that GOD created the everything in a “certain amount of time” instead of 6 literal days when He said that He did it in “6 days”. AND THEN, He went on to say I worked 6 days and then rested on the 7th..so SHOULD YOU!! I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY
WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;AS A REMAINDER INFO ;I DO NOT CARE FOR ANY RELIGION AT ALL ;ONLY ALL THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SCRIPTURES ;
DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT
TO YOUR QUESTION AND BELIEVE .Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,00:27) Quote The question is still WHY would you doubt that GOD created the everything in a “certain amount of time” instead of 6 literal days when He said that He did it in “6 days”. AND THEN, He went on to say I worked 6 days and then rested on the 7th..so SHOULD YOU!! I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY
WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;AS A REMAINDER INFO ;I DO NOT CARE FOR ANY RELIGION AT ALL ;ONLY ALL THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SCRIPTURES ;
DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT
TO YOUR QUESTION AND BELIEVE .
I would say that the sun was made/created from the light that was on day one.But, this is not to say that the 24 hour time clock started on day four. Again, God does not need the sun to have time.
Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of years ago?
That is my question!! WHY do you believe that it was NOT created in 6 days?
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,19:47) Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of years ago? That is my question!! WHY do you believe that it was NOT created in 6 days?
I JUST TOLD YOUI DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WAS CREATED IN SIX LITERAL DAYS OF 24 HOURS THAT IS WHAT I SAY ;
NO MORE NO LESS
I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ;
SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY THAT THOSE SIX DAYS :ARE OF 24 HOURS ” THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF CONCLUSION,” NOT MINE ,
SO MY DEBATE IS BASED ON THAT ONLY ;”THE TIME OF EACH DAY -IF THERE IS SUCH A TIME DESCRIPTION,”
MANY USE MANY THINGS TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT COULD BE OR NOT BE ;IT WOULD STILL BE SPECULATION ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,01:05) Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,19:47) Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of years ago? That is my question!! WHY do you believe that it was NOT created in 6 days?
I JUST TOLD YOUI DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WAS CREATED IN SIX LITERAL DAYS OF 24 HOURS THAT IS WHAT I SAY ;
NO MORE NO LESS
No, you did not answer the question.You told me that “you do not believe in a 6 literal creation days.”
BUT..my question is WHY NOT?
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,01:13) I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ; SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY THAT THOSE SIX DAYS :ARE OF 24 HOURS ” THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF CONCLUSION,” NOT MINE ,
SO MY DEBATE IS BASED ON THAT ONLY ;”THE TIME OF EACH DAY -IF THERE IS SUCH A TIME DESCRIPTION,”
MANY USE MANY THINGS TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT COULD BE OR NOT BE ;IT WOULD STILL BE SPECULATION ,
So, you are saying that ONLY BECAUSE the words “24 hour days” are not in Genesis, you reject the idea of a 6 day creation?Do you believe that Jesus was resurrected after 3 days, each being 24 hours?
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,20:25) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,01:05) Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,19:47) Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of years ago? That is my question!! WHY do you believe that it was NOT created in 6 days?
I JUST TOLD YOUI DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WAS CREATED IN SIX LITERAL DAYS OF 24 HOURS THAT IS WHAT I SAY ;
NO MORE NO LESS
No, you did not answer the question.You told me that “you do not believe in a 6 literal creation days.”
BUT..my question is WHY NOT?
Quote BUT..my question is WHY NOT? HERE IS WHY ;;;;;;;
I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY
WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;?????I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION THAT THE SCRIPTURES CALL IT “THAT CREATION WAS MADE IN SIX DAYS AND THE SEVEN GOD RESTED ” IT IS YOU THAT EXPAND IT THAT WAY ,NOT ME ,
I ONLY DISPUTE THAT YOU SAY IT IS DAYS OF 24 HOURS ;
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,02:30) HERE IS WHY ;;;;;;; I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY
WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;?????I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION THAT THE SCRIPTURES CALL IT “THAT CREATION WAS MADE IN SIX DAYS AND THE SEVEN GOD RESTED ” IT IS YOU THAT EXPAND IT THAT WAY ,NOT ME ,
I ONLY DISPUTE THAT YOU SAY IT IS DAYS OF 24 HOURS ;
The problem is you start off with the belief that God needs the sun in order to have 24 hour “days.”God knows that we understand “6 days” as “Six 24 hour time periods”; and so, He does not see the need to state that the time was 24 hours each.
God says “I created everything in 6 days.”
Now..I believe that “God created everything in 6 days.”
You, however..do not??
I am not EXPANDING upon what God has said..I am ACCEPTING it!!
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,21:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,02:30) HERE IS WHY ;;;;;;; I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY
WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;?????I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION THAT THE SCRIPTURES CALL IT “THAT CREATION WAS MADE IN SIX DAYS AND THE SEVEN GOD RESTED ” IT IS YOU THAT EXPAND IT THAT WAY ,NOT ME ,
I ONLY DISPUTE THAT YOU SAY IT IS DAYS OF 24 HOURS ;
The problem is you start off with the belief that God needs the sun in order to have 24 hour “days.”God knows that we understand “6 days” as “Six 24 hour time periods”; and so, He does not see the need to state that the time was 24 hours each.
God says “I created everything in 6 days.”
Now..I believe that “God created everything in 6 days.”
You, however..do not??
I am not EXPANDING upon what God has said..I am ACCEPTING it!!
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what I want to discuss first is the seven days of creation ;and i would start with the first ;Genesis 1-1Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
this is what I have come to understand ; IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATE THE HEAVEN Col 1:15 He(the only begotten son of God ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; and it would also after this that the angels were created because they are a part of God's heaven (not the earth heaven)
Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me(his only begotten son ) forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.and the earth I BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT SAYS EARTH IT ALSO MEANS ALL ITS ACCESSORIES AND NEEDS TO BE COME IN EXISTENCE,BEING THAT THE EARTH WAS THE ULTIMATE FOCUS OF GOD'S CREATION ;so i have to assume that all planets ,solar ,galaxies ,stars and what not are included within that statement ,(i am still talking about the raw visible base materiel)
so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME
Ge 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
now we can look at the first days of creation
Ge 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Ge 1:4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Ge 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.the question here is what IS THE LIGHT
BECAUSE AFTER INSPECTION (VERSE 2) AFTER THE TIME WAS NOW RIGHT ,THIS WAS HOW GOD SAYS HE FOUND THE CONDITION OF THE EARTH IT SELF ; IT APPEARED THAT THEIR WAS NO LIGHT (SPECTRUM) THE LIGHT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY NOT THE CYCLE BUT THE LIGHT IT SELF ,THE LIGHT IS CALLED “DAY” THIS IS FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING ,AND DARKNESS “NIGHT ” ALSO FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON BECAUSE IT CANNOT ALLOW VIEW INTO IT ;BUT AT THIS POINT GOD DO NOT SET A CYCLE TO THAT LIGHT ,BECAUSE AT THIS POINT ,SEE THAT HE DID NOT YET SEPARATE,THE EXPANSE OF THE WATERS WAS NOT YET MADE ,SO THE LIGHT CREATED WAS FOR ALL THE VISIBLE CREATION THAT GOD AD CREATED (THE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT )YOUR TURN
this is your statement ;
Quote I believe in a 6 day (24 hour) creation. and that is what i debate; BECAUSE SCRIPTURES DOES NOT SAY THAT ;;; YOU DO ;AND OTHERS
SCRIPTURES ONLY SAYS ” CREATION IN SIX DAYS ” YOU ADDED 24 HOURS THIS I DISPUTE
Well..what does it say EXACTLY!!
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Now..I ask..HOW many evenings and mornings were there in EACH “day”?
HOW many evenings and mornings did GOD say there were in EACH DAY of HIS creation?
Be honest!!
God made it CLEAR to us all, including you, that THE evening (1) and THE morning (1) were in each day. I think that clears everything up for you. You can now rest knowing that YES God does tell us it was a 24 hour period, unless you believe that there are more than 24 hours in ONE evening and ONE morning?
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 21 2013,19:17) Well..what does it say EXACTLY!! 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Now..I ask..HOW many evenings and mornings were there in EACH “day”?
HOW many evenings and mornings did GOD say there were in EACH DAY of HIS creation?
Be honest!!
God made it CLEAR to us all, including you, that THE evening (1) and THE morning (1) were in each day. I think that clears everything up for you. You can now rest knowing that YES God does tell us it was a 24 hour period, unless you believe that there are more than 24 hours in ONE evening and ONE morning?
YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION ;you just ask me a question that we have already agree that a day can be anything in time ; 12 hours ,24 hours ,one year,1000 years ,
going away from this mean you just do not care what you think IS WHAT YOU GOING TO BELIEVE DISREGARD OF WHAT I WILL SAY OR SHOW YOU ;RIGHT
BE HONEST …………..WENT IT SAYS THEIR WAS A EVENING AND A MORNING IT COULD MEAN ;THEIR WAS A BEGINNING AND AN ENDING AND IT WAS “THE FIRST DAY ” AND SO ON
IT ALSO SEEMS THAT THEIR IS ANOTHER REASON FOR IT TO BE CALLED A DAY ;BUT THIS IS NOT TO BE DISCUSS HERE AND NOW ;
SO MY POINT REMAIN ;THE CREATION OF THE FIRST DAY AND THE FOURTH DAY
THE TIME LINE IN THE BEGINNING ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE TIME LINE PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;
THIS WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND WITH OUR UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S UNIVERSE
I did not see where you asked a question. Please ask again. I went back and I still do not see a question!!
That being said. You do not have to believe in a literal 6 day creation if you do not want to. It is not a “salvation issue.” I would like to think that you can see that God created everything in 6 days, but it is not essential in any way!
I understand that because God does not use the words “24 hours” you choose to believe that He did not create everything in 6 – 24 hour days. You will always hold to that point because the words “24 hour days” is not in there nor will they ever be. I do not believe “24 hour day” is ANYWHERE in the bible, yet I DO believe that we have 24 hour days, as God has created it.
Genesis also tells us that God says “Her seed” will destroy satan. It never says “her seed” is “Jesus.” So, I guess, based on your argument/way of thinking, that “her seed” is not “Jesus.” Or at least, you see no proof of it, right?
My point really is that there is no point in discussing this topic if you DEMAND that the very words “24 hours” are there.
The Bible is full of “implications.” God has given us a mind to discern such things.But, I accept that you do not see it that way.
Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 21 2013,21:34) I did not see where you asked a question. Please ask again. I went back and I still do not see a question!! That being said. You do not have to believe in a literal 6 day creation if you do not want to. It is not a “salvation issue.” I would like to think that you can see that God created everything in 6 days, but it is not essential in any way!
I understand that because God does not use the words “24 hours” you choose to believe that He did not create everything in 6 – 24 hour days. You will always hold to that point because the words “24 hour days” is not in there nor will they ever be. I do not believe “24 hour day” is ANYWHERE in the bible, yet I DO believe that we have 24 hour days, as God has created it.
Genesis also tells us that God says “Her seed” will destroy satan. It never says “her seed” is “Jesus.” So, I guess, based on your argument/way of thinking, that “her seed” is not “Jesus.” Or at least, you see no proof of it, right?
My point really is that there is no point in discussing this topic if you DEMAND that the very words “24 hours” are there.
The Bible is full of “implications.” God has given us a mind to discern such things.But, I accept that you do not see it that way.
no,the fact that it does not say days of 24 hours ;is not the issue at all , you have mist my point three time now ;but it could be me who cannot explain it ;so this is going nowhere ;
what as been said remains for others to see and make their own judgement on it ,
thanks anyway
Quote I understand that because God does not use the words “24 hours” you choose to believe that He did not create everything in 6 – 24 hour days. You will always hold to that point because the words “24 hour days” is not in there nor will they ever be. I do not believe “24 hour day” is ANYWHERE in the bible, yet I DO believe that we have 24 hour days, as God has created it. no,you do not understand what i mean at all;you just figure that because it says ;day one ,two,three,four,five,six,and seven AND THE “THERE WAS AN EVENING AND A MORNING ';;IT HAD TO BE REGULAR 24 HOURS DAY; WHEN I DISPUTE THAT THEY ARE OF A REGULAR 24/HOUR DAYS ;
FOR THE REASON ;THAT THE FIRST DAY GOD CREATED THE LIGHT ; AND ONLY IN DAY FOUR GOD CREATED THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR /DAYS/WEEKS/MONTHS/YEARS/AND SEASONS/
BUT THIS YOU ARE DENYING THAT IT IS SO ;
BUT YES YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO BELIEVE WHAT EVER YOU WANT ;
ALSO this
Ge 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
GOD COMPARES THE SIX DAYS OF CREATION TO “THE GENERATION ” THIS SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT IT IS NOT LITERAL DAYS BUT TIMES
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
It had to be six literal days;not a thousand years for each day. Or it will contradict the generations from Adam to Enoch,and Noah.
Adam would have been a thousand years old when cast out of paradise. For God rested on the seventh day.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 02 2014,09:31) Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. It had to be six literal days;not a thousand years for each day. Or it will contradict the generations from Adam to Enoch,and Noah.
Adam would have been a thousand years old when cast out of paradise. For God rested on the seventh day.wakeup.
Quote It had to be six literal days;not a thousand years for each day. i never said it was 1000 years i just said it is a time unknown from scriptures but called A EVENING AND A MORNING = A BEGINNING AND A END -OF A PERIOD OF WORK,
but it cannot be a 24 hour day from earth
Quote Or it will contradict the generations from Adam to Enoch,and Noah.
Adam would have been a thousand years old when cast out of paradise. For God rested on the seventh day.you should read your bible events more carefully Adam was created at the end of the six day what is that mean
if it is only 24 hours at midnight ,early morning
???Exodus 20:11 For *in six days* the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it *six days*: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in *six days* the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Six days: not weeks,months,years,period of time,nor six thousand years.
Believe in God,and:
Believe in the power of God also.wakeup.
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