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Hi colter,
The Word of God is the revelation of God and should be treated with the same respect that Jesus gave it.
Those who came before him were thieves and robbers.
What of those in 1957?Hi,
Scripture is full of the recorded assumptions of men.
They thought they saw God when they just saw angels.
Or they saw angels and thought those angels were men.We have to sort it all through and not just take a superficial look.
Quote (Colter @ May 21 2008,01:13) Quote (Shania @ May 20 2008,08:50) 2 Cor 11:2-3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
NKJVThe word of truth gets complicated for many reasons, but it was not intended to be complicated. The good news is simple.
Hi Shania,I recall that the religious people who killed Jesus accused him of the same thing, that he got his authority from Satan.
I was not accusing you of getting authority from Satan. This is not a personal slam, [just the way that I see it] but I do not view you as having any authority. Jesus had authority [evidenced by miracles and power] that backed up his teaching. They hated his teaching, but had no explanation for the miracles, so they said that his power was from the devil.I was just making a statement that the good news was simple: Repent. Walk with Him. Produce fruit.
You do not have to answer these questions, just think on them…
How has the UB changed your life?
What is all this knowledge doing for you?
What fruit has it produced?
Is it theory [a matter of talk] or power[faith in action, working through love.]Are the blind seeing? Are the lame walking?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2008,08:37) Hi Tim4,
Do you find the bible confusing?
The source of those writings, the Spirit of God, is still available.
Hi Nick,
When men divided into many hundreds of different denominations because of the confusion of the bible,
they all felt like they were being led by the source of those writings.
Why do you suppose that God only cleared things up for you, and left all of the others deceived?Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2008,10:48) Hi,
Scripture is full of the recorded assumptions of men.
They thought they saw God when they just saw angels.
Or they saw angels and thought those angels were men.
Hi Nick,
It sounds like you do not agree with this verse from scriptures.“Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Tim
Quote (Colter @ May 21 2008,17:42) Shania, Although I doubt the sincerity of your questions, as they are taking on the tone of an inquisition, I will answer them appropriately
….*The fruits of my labors are a private matter, especially in light of Jesus' admonition to do our good works in secret without the need to publicly proclaim our own righteousness. I don't “keep score” and that which I do is for fun and for free, just for the shear joy of it.
* The spiritual life is not a theory, we have to live it.
Hey Colter-I really wasn't trying to give you the third degree- that is why I said that you didn't have to answer. I was just trying to get you to ponder the worth and the point of your religion.
I am sorry that I came off that way.You are right that we are to do good works in secret. Scripture also says this:
Matt 5:14-1614 “You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
NIVThe light that we have is our Father's. We do not have “our own righteousness” I never meant that we should brag about good works.. Any “good deeds” are to the credit of the Father.
What I was talking about in my previous post was authority. Authority from the Father is evidenced by power and by fruit. (souls coming in; lives changed)
I was also wondering what the UB has done for you, personnally- how it has affected your walk and if/how it has strengthened your relationship with the Father.
I never meant to attack you, I am very sorry.Our walk is not theory. Nor is it about being right or doing the right thing just because it is the right thing. Our walk is daily surrender. We do what we do because we love Him and we love His people.
Quick comment…Jacob did indeed wrestle with God…he wrestled with the person God sent as his messenger and representive…take this for an example:
If I send a message to my neighbor by way of my son….the neighbor when asked about that event would not say that the message came from my son….he would attribute the message and anything associated with that message as having originated with ME..
Quote (dirtyknections @ May 30 2008,02:40) Quick comment…Jacob did indeed wrestle with God…he wrestled with the person God sent as his messenger and representive…take this for an example: If I send a message to my neighbor by way of my son….the neighbor when asked about that event would not say that the message came from my son….he would attribute the message and anything associated with that message as having originated with ME..
I agree with your first statement. Jacob did wrestle with a messenger from God. But your analogy is a little weak.If I were your neighbor I would have said that your son delivered a message from you. If your son slapped me up side the face with your message, I would not say that you slapped me up side the face with your message. I would say that dirty's son slapped me up side the face with a message from dirty.
tim
yeah…you are right..it is a little weak now that i read it again
…I guess all i can say is “don't shoot the messenger” AKA the messenger although delivering the message is not the source..
Think of it this way then…say an american soldier involved in a war walks into a building to deliver a message of peace to the opposing war general…say upon delivering that message he then pulls out a gun and starts shooting random people….do you think the opposers would say, “well he was acting on his own and his actions have nothing to do with the war we are in”…to the contrary I am sure the general would attribute and direct his anger and comments to the source of the initial message..and conversely, i'm sure the patriotic people of the opposing nation, would, not be screaming, “Death to the soldier who started shooting random people”, no i'm sure they be screaming, “death to america”
Hi colter,
Should we follow the philosophers?
The vain fools of Athens are no example for us.
If fundamentalist means reliant on the bible for truth then call me one.Amen nick!!!
Remember warned against the deep think of such men…remember when he traveling thru Judea..greek philosophy was in full swing…he knew as do I that such thought often strays from the fundamental truths that Jesus preached about…here is a scripture…
Ephesians 4:11-15 (NIV) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
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