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Quote (abe @ Aug. 13 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,15:39) Quote (abe @ Aug. 12 2013,12:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,08:10) Abe, I'm still waiting for your DIRECT answer about Gen 3:5 and 3:22. Do you believe the gods to whom Satan referred in 3:5 are the “one of us” to whom Jehovah referred in 3:22? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,That is a Silly question to ask a Christian.
Peace….
Why?
Hi Mike,Heb.2:14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the might of death, that is, the devil;
that through death he might Annul him who has the might of death, that is, the Devil;
15 and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.
16 For he does not indeed take hold of angels by the hand, but he takes hold of the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like to his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things relating to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people;
18 for, in that himself has suffered, being tempted, he is able to help those that are being tempted.
that through death he might Annul him who has the might of death, that is, the Devil;
Your god has been destroyed……..For Christians.
Peace………………….
Bump.Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42) You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light? 
How about “no man has seen God at anytime”? These words were written twice by John years AFTER Jesus was exalted to heaven.
(And yes, I know that you'll point out it says “no one”, but who do you suppose John was talking about? Angels or human beings?)
Mike,We are speaking of resolving conflicts like flesh being saved and flesh and blood not entering the reign of God. In some way both are true. To me flesh is saved by becoming immortal and mortal flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand some believe that the flesh that is saved is figurative and it is all flesh that cannot enter the reign of God.
I also see the soul as inherently human and if it was the body of a dog the result would be a human wearing a dog body. You on the other hand seem to believe that the body makes the person and so the man would become a dog.
Scripture states Mosses saw God face to face and yet no one but the Son has seen God. i see that as Mosses saw God's prescience and the Son sees the deep things of God. So even the angels have not seen the deep things of God. I am not sure how you resolve this apparent conflict.
Kerwin,I simply don't have the brain power or patience to follow you down yet another philosophical rabbit hole. I really have no idea what you're even saying in the above post.
I believe: Jesus is no longer a flesh human being with human DNA etc. in heaven.
You believe: __
(Also, Moses was never said to have SEEN the face of God. 20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20)
Abe,
I recently decided that I will only address your comments to me when they actually say something of value. (You might have noticed that I've been ignoring your irrelevant posts in the other threads, too.)
The scriptures you posted and the little comment you made at the end do NOTHING in the way of DIRECTLY answering the question I asked you about Gen 3:5 and 3:22.
When you come up with an actual ANSWER, I will respond.
hi Mike
it is hard for people to understand that we do not need to read the scriptures this we all should do and have done more than ones for some ,but what we are looking for is ;what inside understanding God may have given them if any ,
this of cause can only be accomplish if we know the scriptures and have study them with real believing in them ,
hope all is well with you son
I don't mind when someone quotes scripture…….. as long as they say in their own words what point they think those scriptures are making, and why they are relevant to the current discussion.
Just posting scriptures as an answer usually doesn't do anyone any good.
BTW, I am fine and dandy. I truly enjoy my life day by day, and thank God for how far I've come from where I was 5 years ago. And for all the great gifts He gives me every day.
How about you? Are you hanging in there?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 21 2013,03:19) I don't mind when someone quotes scripture…….. as long as they say in their own words what point they think those scriptures are making, and why they are relevant to the current discussion. Just posting scriptures as an answer usually doesn't do anyone any good.
BTW, I am fine and dandy. I truly enjoy my life day by day, and thank God for how far I've come from where I was 5 years ago. And for all the great gifts He gives me every day.
How about you? Are you hanging in there?
I just got a phone call from the university special cancer department and they have tested an new pill ,and he find that i should join the group therapy on that pill ,he told me it would help in the pain and as well retarding my departure,there are also no side effects to it ,so I said OK,otherwise all is great ,so much to say to the kids ,and of cause the wife ,
I am very glad that all things turn in good for you ,i never ad any doubts about for anyone that loves God truly with his heart as I am sure you do ,can only find true happiness in God's plan,
may God keep blessing you ,all my love in Christ ,
P.S.
did you see the sketch on youtube i told you
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,08:24) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42) You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light? How about “no man has seen God at anytime”? These words were written twice by John years AFTER Jesus was exalted to heaven.
(And yes, I know that you'll point out it says “no one”, but who do you suppose John was talking about? Angels or human beings?)
Mike,We are speaking of resolving conflicts like flesh being saved and flesh and blood not entering the reign of God. In some way both are true. To me flesh is saved by becoming immortal and mortal flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand some believe that the flesh that is saved is figurative and it is all flesh that cannot enter the reign of God.
I also see the soul as inherently human and if it was the body of a dog the result would be a human wearing a dog body. You on the other hand seem to believe that the body makes the person and so the man would become a dog.
Scripture states Mosses saw God face to face and yet no one but the Son has seen God. i see that as Mosses saw God's prescience and the Son sees the deep things of God. So even the angels have not seen the deep things of God. I am not sure how you resolve this apparent conflict.
Kerwin,I simply don't have the brain power or patience to follow you down yet another philosophical rabbit hole. I really have no idea what you're even saying in the above post.
I believe: Jesus is no longer a flesh human being with human DNA etc. in heaven.
You believe: __
(Also, Moses was never said to have SEEN the face of God. 20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20)
Mike,I was speaking of:
Deuteronomy 34:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
though when looking I also found.
Genesis 32:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2013,15:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,08:24) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42) You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light? How about “no man has seen God at anytime”? These words were written twice by John years AFTER Jesus was exalted to heaven.
(And yes, I know that you'll point out it says “no one”, but who do you suppose John was talking about? Angels or human beings?)
Mike,We are speaking of resolving conflicts like flesh being saved and flesh and blood not entering the reign of God. In some way both are true. To me flesh is saved by becoming immortal and mortal flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand some believe that the flesh that is saved is figurative and it is all flesh that cannot enter the reign of God.
I also see the soul as inherently human and if it was the body of a dog the result would be a human wearing a dog body. You on the other hand seem to believe that the body makes the person and so the man would become a dog.
Scripture states Mosses saw God face to face and yet no one but the Son has seen God. i see that as Mosses saw God's prescience and the Son sees the deep things of God. So even the angels have not seen the deep things of God. I am not sure how you resolve this apparent conflict.
Kerwin,I simply don't have the brain power or patience to follow you down yet another philosophical rabbit hole. I really have no idea what you're even saying in the above post.
I believe: Jesus is no longer a flesh human being with human DNA etc. in heaven.
You believe: __
(Also, Moses was never said to have SEEN the face of God. 20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20)
Mike,I was speaking of:
Deuteronomy 34:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
though when looking I also found.
Genesis 32:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Kerwin.Most of the time we need to compare scriptures
to trully understand.Hosea 12:3.4.
Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power *with God*:Hosea 12:4 Yea, he had power *over the angel*, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
It is a bit confusing,but we also must use our commonsense. He asked Jacob his name,as if God did not know him. Jacob obviously saw that man he wrestled with
as God.Jesus said: No man has ever seen God face to face.
That should should answer the question.Jesus said: you are gods. Therfore angels are also gods.
Since we are all the children of God made in his own image,knowing good and evil. God called Moses a god.
But we are not our father,the everlasting God.wakeup.
Well said, Wakeup.
The NIV version of Hosea 12:4 makes more sense to me:
He struggled with the angel and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor.
We must also pay attention to the fact that neither the Greek nor the Hebrew languages use an indefinite article.
So Gen 32:28 could be translated as “you have struggled with gods and with humans and have overcome.”
And verse 30 could be “I saw a god face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
This is also the case in Judges 13:21-22…………
21 Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD.
22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”
Surely that should read, “we have seen a god“, for verse 21 clearly tells us that Manoah knew it was an angel OF God……… and NOT God Himself.
At any rate, the Hosea scripture you posted makes it clear that it was an angel Jacob wrestled with – not Jehovah Himself.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,14:02) Jesus said: you are gods. Therfore angels are also gods.
Amen to that!When Jehovah is called “the God of gods”, these are the gods Jehovah is the God of.
When Jehovah is called “the Most High God”, these are the less high gods that Jehovah is higher than.
And it's important to remember that MOST of these other gods are faithful servants of their own God Jehovah. So although they did not create the heavens and the earth, and are creations of God themselves, they are by no means “false gods”…….. which is why you'll never find the phrase “false gods” in any Hebrew or Greek text.
There are gods, and then there are man-made idols who are not gods at all. There is no “false god” in between those two things.
Gene thanks,
Bless you.Mike,
Christianity is a journey, and often it's best to go back to the beginning of a journey, to find spirit, and God is Spirit.
God is Spirit…………
Knowledge, falsely so called, is the problem.
God's spirit is powerful and gives life.
Kia ora!
Catch ya later.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,07:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2013,15:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,08:24) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42) You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light? How about “no man has seen God at anytime”? These words were written twice by John years AFTER Jesus was exalted to heaven.
(And yes, I know that you'll point out it says “no one”, but who do you suppose John was talking about? Angels or human beings?)
Mike,We are speaking of resolving conflicts like flesh being saved and flesh and blood not entering the reign of God. In some way both are true. To me flesh is saved by becoming immortal and mortal flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand some believe that the flesh that is saved is figurative and it is all flesh that cannot enter the reign of God.
I also see the soul as inherently human and if it was the body of a dog the result would be a human wearing a dog body. You on the other hand seem to believe that the body makes the person and so the man would become a dog.
Scripture states Mosses saw God face to face and yet no one but the Son has seen God. i see that as Mosses saw God's prescience and the Son sees the deep things of God. So even the angels have not seen the deep things of God. I am not sure how you resolve this apparent conflict.
Kerwin,I simply don't have the brain power or patience to follow you down yet another philosophical rabbit hole. I really have no idea what you're even saying in the above post.
I believe: Jesus is no longer a flesh human being with human DNA etc. in heaven.
You believe: __
(Also, Moses was never said to have SEEN the face of God. 20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20)
Mike,I was speaking of:
Deuteronomy 34:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
though when looking I also found.
Genesis 32:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Kerwin.Most of the time we need to compare scriptures
to trully understand.Hosea 12:3.4.
Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power *with God*:Hosea 12:4 Yea, he had power *over the angel*, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
It is a bit confusing,but we also must use our commonsense. He asked Jacob his name,as if God did not know him. Jacob obviously saw that man he wrestled with
as God.Jesus said: No man has ever seen God face to face.
That should should answer the question.Jesus said: you are gods. Therfore angels are also gods.
Since we are all the children of God made in his own image,knowing good and evil. God called Moses a god.
But we are not our father,the everlasting God.wakeup.
Wake…….Scripture also says God is not a Man that he should lie or a Son of man that he should repent. Seems you have a problem here if God is not a man, how could we all be Gods then?, seeing we are all sons of men, as Jesus said he was. The scripture you quoted is given in a “POSSESSIVE” SENSE, All thing are GOD'S, because God plainly said that all things were his he made everything in existence.So can we then assume all thing are Gods? as God Beings, or are his possessions. If you notice Jesus even more clearly showed that by saying, if they were Gods, to who the word of God came. Another words God counts them as his own, who he sent his words to , that is still in a possessive sense, and then Jesus told them, if he claimed to be a “Son of God” as in a product of God also, in a possessive sense as belonging to God, why should they say they be offended at that. Being they also believed they belonged to God also. And as they said later “we only have one Father and that is GOD. So they all believed they were childern of God also. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (2besee @ Aug. 22 2013,05:33) Mike, Christianity is a journey, and often it's best to go back to the beginning of a journey, to find spirit, and God is Spirit.
Good words, 2B. I'm currently on my 5th time back from the beginning.Each time, I understand a little bit more.
peace to you on your journey
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2013,11:45) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 22 2013,05:33) Mike, Christianity is a journey, and often it's best to go back to the beginning of a journey, to find spirit, and God is Spirit.
Good words, 2B. I'm currently on my 5th time back from the beginning.Each time, I understand a little bit more.
peace to you on your journey
And to you MikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2013,04:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2013,07:02) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2013,15:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,08:24) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42) You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light? How about “no man has seen God at anytime”? These words were written twice by John years AFTER Jesus was exalted to heaven.
(And yes, I know that you'll point out it says “no one”, but who do you suppose John was talking about? Angels or human beings?)
Mike,We are speaking of resolving conflicts like flesh being saved and flesh and blood not entering the reign of God. In some way both are true. To me flesh is saved by becoming immortal and mortal flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand some believe that the flesh that is saved is figurative and it is all flesh that cannot enter the reign of God.
I also see the soul as inherently human and if it was the body of a dog the result would be a human wearing a dog body. You on the other hand seem to believe that the body makes the person and so the man would become a dog.
Scripture states Mosses saw God face to face and yet no one but the Son has seen God. i see that as Mosses saw God's prescience and the Son sees the deep things of God. So even the angels have not seen the deep things of God. I am not sure how you resolve this apparent conflict.
Kerwin,I simply don't have the brain power or patience to follow you down yet another philosophical rabbit hole. I really have no idea what you're even saying in the above post.
I believe: Jesus is no longer a flesh human being with human DNA etc. in heaven.
You believe: __
(Also, Moses was never said to have SEEN the face of God. 20 “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” Exodus 33:20)
Mike,I was speaking of:
Deuteronomy 34:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
though when looking I also found.
Genesis 32:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Kerwin.Most of the time we need to compare scriptures
to trully understand.Hosea 12:3.4.
Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power *with God*:Hosea 12:4 Yea, he had power *over the angel*, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
It is a bit confusing,but we also must use our commonsense. He asked Jacob his name,as if God did not know him. Jacob obviously saw that man he wrestled with
as God.Jesus said: No man has ever seen God face to face.
That should should answer the question.Jesus said: you are gods. Therfore angels are also gods.
Since we are all the children of God made in his own image,knowing good and evil. God called Moses a god.
But we are not our father,the everlasting God.wakeup.
Wake…….Scripture also says God is not a Man that he should lie or a Son of man that he should repent. Seems you have a problem here if God is not a man, how could we all be Gods then?, seeing we are all sons of men, as Jesus said he was. The scripture you quoted is given in a “POSSESSIVE” SENSE, All thing are GOD'S, because God plainly said that all things were his he made everything in existence.So can we then assume all thing are Gods? as God Beings, or are his possessions. If you notice Jesus even more clearly showed that by saying, if they were Gods, to who the word of God came. Another words God counts them as his own, who he sent his words to , that is still in a possessive sense, and then Jesus told them, if he claimed to be a “Son of God” as in a product of God also, in a possessive sense as belonging to God, why should they say they be offended at that. Being they also believed they belonged to God also. And as they said later “we only have one Father and that is GOD. So they all believed they were childern of God also. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene B.Mike has explained that above.
Believe in *JESUS* own words;He said ye are gods.
Devil worshippers are *become* the sons of the devil,*spiritually*: but *physically* they were also created in the image of God.But not the temple of God.The jews wanting to stone Jesus for his comment,
have no clue what he was on about.
They see that as blasphemy.All with the spirit of Jesus inside are also gods,*physically*,and *spiritually*, for we are the children of God *physically and spiritually*.We in him and HE in us.Physically,because we are the temple of God.
The others are not *spiritually* Gods children.
But they became as gods;knowing good and evil,
which the animals dont.But they have been taken over by satan,by own choice.They are not the temple of God,but of satan,because his works they do. But still physically
Gods.Remember one thing;Adam was created IN THE *IMAGE* OF GOD.Therfore he is a god.(not the creator God).
Then he broke the bond with God, and made a pact with satan.He became *spiritually* the son of the devil.
Physically still the image of God.But not the temple of God.Because all mankind are created the same; in the image of God;so all mankind have the same *chance* to be the sons of God, *physically* and *spiritually*. We will be changed.Jesus in us and He in God, and God in all.
wakeup.
Wakeup……..Jesus would have never went against God plain words when he said There were no other Gods besides Him, and even Jesus said in prayer Thou art the “ONLY” TRUE GOD. now can you take the statement word for word and understand it Just as it is written? and can you take where God himself said He looked for other Gods and found NONE. Now what part of those simple and clear scriptures you fail to understand, You cant remove those straightforward scriptures or say like some they are not to be taken the way they are written.
Now if you believe people were Gods then whose Gods were they seeing the Word God is a relative term The word God has to relate to someone other then it self. That is why the Word God, is always uses as < OUR GOD, YOUR GOD, THEIR GOD, the GOD of this or that, The God of Abraham,The God of Issac, The God of Jacob. The word God can ONLY be used in a RELATIVE SENSE. Understanding that tell me whose Gods were those people you believe are Gods, are we all Gods, and if So whose Gods are we .
Now when Jesus quoted this HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD “YAHWEH” (now notice) “OUR GOD” IS ONE LORD “YAHWEH”. Notice it does not say God our God does it,it says the LORD “YAHWEH” OUR GOD why?, because God is a RELATIVE TERM, it must apply to something. Did Jesus ever say He was “OUR GOD”, How could he seeing He had a GOD, and went on to say that GOD was, His GOD and OUR GOD, His FATHER and OUR FATHER. And in his prayer He called that God the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, What that is saying there is “NO OTHER TRUE GOD” in existence, But there are all kind of False God, millions of them created by the mind of man and even worshiped by them , Why becasue the Word GOD is a “RELATIVE TERM. While they may be true to the fool worshiping and following them, they are not a God to us who believe in the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD> These false God are the Creation of Man and those who believe Jesus is a God are Idolaters. While he might a God to you and 90 Percent of “false” Christianity Jesus is no GOD to Me and all true believers, we have a God and it is the Same as His GOD and ther is no other “TRUE” God that exists to US> IMO
peace and love to you and your………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2013,01:57) Wakeup……..Jesus would have never went against God plain words when he said There were no other Gods besides Him, and even Jesus said in prayer Thou art the “ONLY” TRUE GOD. now can you take the statement word for word and understand it Just as it is written? and can you take where God himself said He looked for other Gods and found NONE. Now what part of those simple and clear scriptures you fail to understand, You cant remove those straightforward scriptures or say like some they are not to be taken the way they are written. Now if you believe people were Gods then whose Gods were they seeing the Word God is a relative term The word God has to relate to someone other then it self. That is why the Word God, is always uses as < OUR GOD, YOUR GOD, THEIR GOD, the GOD of this or that, The God of Abraham,The God of Issac, The God of Jacob. The word God can ONLY be used in a RELATIVE SENSE. Understanding that tell me whose Gods were those people you believe are Gods, are we all Gods, and if So whose Gods are we .
Now when Jesus quoted this HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD “YAHWEH” (now notice) “OUR GOD” IS ONE LORD “YAHWEH”. Notice it does not say God our God does it,it says the LORD “YAHWEH” OUR GOD why?, because God is a RELATIVE TERM, it must apply to something. Did Jesus ever say He was “OUR GOD”, How could he seeing He had a GOD, and went on to say that GOD was, His GOD and OUR GOD, His FATHER and OUR FATHER. And in his prayer He called that God the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, What that is saying there is “NO OTHER TRUE GOD” in existence, But there are all kind of False God, millions of them created by the mind of man and even worshiped by them , Why becasue the Word GOD is a “RELATIVE TERM. While they may be true to the fool worshiping and following them, they are not a God to us who believe in the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD> These false God are the Creation of Man and those who believe Jesus is a God are Idolaters. While he might a God to you and 90 Percent of “false” Christianity Jesus is no GOD to Me and all true believers, we have a God and it is the Same as His GOD and ther is no other “TRUE” God that exists to US> IMO
peace and love to you and your………………………………gene
Gene B.I agree with what you are saying.
But those are gods *worshipped* by man,and made by man.
Money and mammon is also a false god,because man do worship them.We are created in the image of God,so we are gods,
but not to be worshipped. jesus said in genesis: behold they have become *like one of us*;KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. God has created us with Godly qualities.We know what is right and what is wrong,we are given a conscience,we can love,we can create great things,we can make our own plans,we can make our own decisions;we are given charge of the earth.
But we also are made flesh bodily.God is now working on the spirit of man;to be holy like HE is holy.Fill ourselves with the spirit of Christ.
Be ye holy, for God is holy.God does not expect this of the animals; but of them he created in his own image only.
If a man is worshipped as a god,like Nimrod was,
then he becomes a false god.The Pope has become a false god;but we are not.A mountain worshipped: that mountain becomes a false god. The SUN is a god also,a false god.There is only one God we should truly worship; the *TRUE GOD* THE CREATOR GOD.Jesus in the flesh is the image
of God,He worships the true God.GENE;you have got part of it; but need to concentrate on the other part.We are all gods,but not to be worshipped as GOD.
wakeup.
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