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[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:09)

Ed believes that the Heavenly Father was a child who was born. This is worthy of some kind of Crackpot award.

Hi T8,

Bearing false witness is as sin; you do know that right?

And you also know you are going to have to give an
account to God for every action taken and every word.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

The king of Israel called Elisha “My father”.  Elisha called Elijah “My father”.  These examples were all listed in the post I made for Ed.  So if Elisha could be a “father” to the king of Israel, why can't Jesus, as an even greater and more powerful prophet, be a “father” to the nation of Israel?

And since no one is mistaking Elisha as “father” with Jehovah as our heavenly Father, why would anyone mistake Jesus as “father” with Jehovah as our heavenly Father?

As for the “everlasting” part, Romans 6:9 clearly explains that Jesus will be an eternal “father” of the nation of Israel. He cannot die again – therefore, “everlasting”.

t8, Ed just doesn't WANT to see what's right in front of his eyes in the form of inspired scriptures.  He doesn't WANT to see it because he doesn't WANT Jesus to have been called “god” in scripture.

So instead of understanding Is 9:6 the way it was written in his own AKJV, he is pretending that Isaiah switched subjects in the middle of the statement, and went from talking about Jesus to talking about God – without any hint or warning.  He pretends this same thing in many scriptures that don't line up with his own doctrines.  

He does it with John 1, pretending that somewhere around verse 13, John stops writing about “the Word”, and begins writing about a different subject, “Jesus” – without hint or warning.  This one he pretends because he doesn't WANT Jesus to actually be “the Word” that John had been talking about all along.

You can only debate so long against someone who is willing to spout jibberish just to be “right”. That's why I many times walk away from him.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,07:17)

Hi T8, So is your argument is: “Ab”, according to you, is never used to reference “God the Father”?      …is this your argument? God bless Ed J

Hi Mike,

You can answer this too you know.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

Look at these last three definitions of “ab”……..

7) of benevolence and protection (fig.)
8) term of respect and honour
9) ruler or chief (spec.)

Any one of those three would fit Jesus.

7) “Everlasting protector”.
8) “Everlasting deserver of our respect”.
9) “Everlasting ruler”.

Am I right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,14:23)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,07:17) Hi T8, So is your argument is: “Ab”, according to you, is never used to reference “God the Father”?      …is this your argument? God bless Ed J Hi Mike, You can answer this too you know. God bless Ed J

No Ed. The Hebrew word “ab” is also used of God the Father.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,07:09) Hi T8, To illustrate that we both agree that Jesus is not “the Father of Spirits”, but “YHVH” is instead. Earlier you said: that Jesus was (according to YOU) “The Everlasting Father”, but that title correctly belongs to Jesus' father instead. Are you suggesting that both Jesus and Jesus' father are both “the Father of Spirits”? Ed, no need to go down this path. I have already preempted this and told you in advance, that Abraham is an Ab and that Jesus is certainly greater than Abraham and will forever be greater than Abraham. When I close down a possible path, why reopen it. That wastes time. It is illogical. You assume that Everlasting Ab equates to Heavenly Abba. If it equates, then might as well include Abraham and make him equal too.

Hi T8,

Bible study is good, I can't figure out why you would mock
those who present new information to you about God?
This is not wise and it shows bad fruit on your part.

The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my
salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation;
my *father's God, and I will exalt him.” (Exodus 15:2)
* Here we see a reference to YHVH using “Ab”, now what do you have to say?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:26)

Ed, Look at these last three definitions of “ab”…….. 7) of benevolence and protection (fig.) 8) term of respect and honour 9) ruler or chief (spec.) Any one of those three would fit Jesus.   7)  “Everlasting protector”.   8)  “Everlasting deserver of our respect”.   9)  “Everlasting ruler”. Am I right?

Hi Mike,

Those (#7,8,9) would fit our “Everlasting Father” more than Jesus.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

I know people who will not even go on forums because of all the bickering and backbiting they see.
If forums went like the thread “Who is this woman clothed with, The Sun in Rev.12:1?”
before T8 jumped in to attempt to badmouth me in EVERY THREAD, more Christians would join forums.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,14:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:26) Ed, Look at these last three definitions of “ab”…….. 7) of benevolence and protection (fig.) 8) term of respect and honour 9) ruler or chief (spec.) Any one of those three would fit Jesus.   7)  “Everlasting protector”.   8)  “Everlasting deserver of our respect”.   9)  “Everlasting ruler”. Am I right? Hi Mike, Those (#7,8,9) would fit our “Everlasting Father” more than Jesus.

Your answer is your opinion, Ed. I would like a FACTUAL answer to the question this time.

Do all three of those things fit Jesus? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,14:31)

Here we see a reference to YHVH using “Ab”, now what do you have to say?

Ed, from the 2nd post on page 10:

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,21:16)

Okay, I don't know if God the Father is ever called Ab. And is there a real difference between Abba and Ab?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,10:31)

Bible study is good, I can't figure out why you would mock those who present new information to you about God? This is not wise and it shows bad fruit on your part.

What you call mock is really just a challenging and obvious question. Why not just answer it, rather than call it mock.

Unto us a child is born…

Go from there.

[mikeboll64]

Eddy?

[Proclaimer]

I asked Ed J, if he was Elijah or Jon B, and he has stopped posting in those threads. But he is doing the odd sneaky post elsewhere, so he is still active.

I guess it is hard for him to say 'yes' publicly.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,10:17)

Hi T8, So is your argument is: “Ab”, according to you, is never used to reference “God the Father”? …is this your argument? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No my argument is that Abraham is called Ab and he is not God. Stop skirting around the issue.

[mikeboll64]

Oh Eeeeddddddyyyyyy………………. ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 16 2013,16:01)

I asked Ed J, if he was Elijah or Jon B, and he has stopped posting in those threads. But he is doing the odd sneaky post elsewhere, so he is still active.

Don't you hate that?  After much time and effort, you finally get the other guy cornered by the difference between what HE was saying, and what the SCRIPTURES actually say – and he just bails for a while……………. only to pop up in the other threads spouting the same unscriptural stuff – as if your discussion never took place.  

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 17 2013,09:04)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,10:17) Hi T8, So is your argument is: “Ab”, according to you, is never used to reference “God the Father”?      …is this your argument? God bless Ed J No my argument is that Abraham is called Ab and he is not God. Stop skirting around the issue.

Hi T8,

I don't see our current disagreement as a problem.
Discussing the facts is the way towards agreement.

Your argument was (in essence): since “AB” is used in Isaiah 9:6
this fact precludes “God the Father” because he is “ABBA” instead.

“The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my
salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation;
my *father's God, and I will exalt him.” (Exodus 15:2)

Since “AB” is used here referring to “God the Father”, your claim
that the “AB” usage in Isaiah 9:6 means Jesus is not a factor.

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Now let me explain why I believe as I do. Here is the focus of the verse:

                    “his name shall be called”
          (The Salvation of the Everlasting Father)

Jesus' name is: “YA is salvation”; this denotes  
   “his name shall be called”  actually means….
The Salvation of the Everlasting Father.

Also, see how once again we see “the pattern of FIVE”:    (<– see link)

1) Wonderful,
2) Counsellor,
3) The mighty God,
4) The everlasting Father,
5) The Prince of Peace

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 17 2013,09:41)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 16 2013,16:01) I asked Ed J, if he was Elijah or Jon B, and he has stopped posting in those threads. But he is doing the odd sneaky post elsewhere, so he is still active. Don't you hate that?  After much time and effort, you finally get the other guy cornered by the difference between what HE was saying, and what the SCRIPTURES actually say – and he just bails for a while……………. only to pop up in the other threads spouting the same unscriptural stuff – as if your discussion never took place.

Hi Mike

What other guy?

and T8,

Not “John B” nor “Elijah P,” but “Ed J”.

You should read the thread  – on the discourse between
me and Journey42 only, in it I endeavor to explain what you are trying to ask.  (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,08:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,14:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:26) Ed, Look at these last three definitions of “ab”…….. 7) of benevolence and protection (fig.) 8) term of respect and honour 9) ruler or chief (spec.) Any one of those three would fit Jesus.   7)  “Everlasting protector”.   8)  “Everlasting deserver of our respect”.   9)  “Everlasting ruler”. Am I right? Hi Mike, Those (#7,8,9) would fit our “Everlasting Father” more than Jesus. Your answer is your opinion, Ed.  I would like a FACTUAL answer to the question this time. Do all three of those things fit Jesus?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

I say “No”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……..I agree with ED J…….Jesus in not those things, He is also not “the EVERLASTING FATHER ” either . If you guys understood that the FATHER was indeed “IN” the MAN Jesus , you then could see how those titles could be directed at him, but referring to the Spirit of GOD in dwelling him.

This is the same error you make with the scriptures  regarding   thy kingdom “O”
God is a sepulture of righteousness . Bottom line is you seem usable to see God the Father as truly present “IN” Jesus as the anointing  Spirit making him a son of God.

You can not say like Thomas my lord “and” my GOD because you believe Jesus is your god. Right?

Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

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