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Quote (abe @ Aug. 05 2013,01:57) Hi Mike, (Quote)
My God, people! Pull your heads out of your asses and pay attention to the scriptures!“You must be Born from Above.”
Peace brother……..
It gets so frustrating, Pierre!
It's like these guys grew up during the time that everyone was convinced the earth was flat, and that lie sunk deep into their heads from a young age. And then, in their older age, it was discovered that the earth was round, and not flat. And despite all the clear and undeniable evidence that the earth is round, they keep insisting it is flat anyway – because that is what they grew up believing, and it is now so hard-wired into their brains that when they are shown the truth of the matter, they refuse to accept it. I'm going to try one more time slowly for them. How much you want to bet that none of them even addresses my coming points with direct response?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods, Abe? Gene? Marty? Kerwin? Eddy?
Mike
what puzzels me is that within abe; quote “he tells you to take your head out of your asse but he also end his quote with a peace message ;
???it looks like a guy that first slaped your face with his fist then quickly handing out his hand as a peace gesture ,WHAT A CONTRADITION IN HIS MIND
Terricca….. Right from the start you were an accuser of the brethren here, and only served to cause divisions, like the one you follow, he also is an accuser of the brethren. You and your leader Mike, only serve to muddy up the waters of truth. It is not the truth of God neither of you seek IMO, but to flaunt your own “SELF” righteousness your very words you use proves it over and over, IMO.
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2013,10:50) Terricca….. Right from the start you were an accuser of the brethren here, and only served to cause divisions, like the one you follow, he also is an accuser of the brethren. You and your leader Mike, only serve to muddy up the waters of truth. It is not the truth of God neither of you seek IMO, but to flaunt your own “SELF” righteousness your very words you use proves it over and over, IMO. gene
GeneI can only comment on what your friend is saying,
Hi Mike:
Please watch the following debate to see why it is so important to understand in what context God calls humans gods.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty ……God calls his people, God's in scripture, in a possessive sense, like the people of God are God's people. Therefore it says , he called them God's, unto whom the word of God came, and in another place it says, HE came to his “OWN” and his “OWN” received him NOT. All of this Is given in a possessive sense, None of it means a person is a God. The LORD OUR GOD also said in another place, All the earth is mine and everything in it So you can see every thing that exists belongs to God even us.
Israel Married God, in the wilderness, he was a husband to them, and in that sense they were GOD'S Possessions. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours Marty…………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2013,14:20) Mike what puzzels me is that within abe; quote “he tells you to take your head out of your asse but he also end his quote with a peace message ;
???it looks like a guy that first slaped your face with his fist then quickly handing out his hand as a peace gesture ,WHAT A CONTRADITION IN HIS MIND
lolAbuse followed by Christian charity.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2013,11:58) Marty ……God calls his people God's in scripture, in a possessive sense, like the people of God are God's people. Therefore it says , he called them God's unto whom the word of God came and in another place it says, HE came to his “OWN” and his “OWN” received him NOT. All of this Is given in a possessive sense, None of it means a person is a God. IMO Peace and Love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Finally a logical reason is forthcoming.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2013,09:50) Quote (abe @ Aug. 05 2013,01:57) Hi Mike, (Quote)
My God, people! Pull your heads out of your asses and pay attention to the scriptures!“You must be Born from Above.”
Peace brother……..
It gets so frustrating, Pierre! It's like these guys grew up during the time that everyone was convinced the earth was flat, and that lie sunk deep into their heads from a young age. And then, in their older age, it was discovered that the earth was round, and not flat. And despite all the clear and undeniable evidence that the earth is round, they keep insisting it is flat anyway – because that is what they grew up believing, and it is now so hard-wired into their brains that when they are shown the truth of the matter, they refuse to accept it. I'm going to try one more time slowly for them. How much you want to bet that none of them even addresses my coming points with direct response?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods, Abe? Gene? Marty? Kerwin? Eddy?
Hi Mike,The Hebrew word is אֱלֹהִים EL-o-heem, not gods; you are trying to back-translate English to Hebrew again.
I believe EL-o-heem in this instance means THE ANGELS. The translators choice of words does not prove there
are other gods. As a matter of fact, the bible declares over and over that GOD is the only GOD; there are no others.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEddy's been falling hard since I've known him.
But I still love him.BTW, Abe was only quoting what I said. Unfortunately, I'm the one who told them to pull their heads out of their butts.
Those were my words, not his.I apologize to all for that angry outburst. It was uncalled for, and said only out of frustration.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2013,11:26) Hi Mike: Please watch the following debate to see why it is so important to understand in what context God calls humans gods.
Hi Marty,I might give it look when I get the time. Many think that in scriptures like Psalm 82, it is men who are being called gods. It is not. Psalm 82 is about Jehovah's heavenly counsel of angels – who are often called gods in scripture.
But what difference does it make if you believe MEN are called gods in scripture? Doesn't it still mean that Jehovah is not LITERALLY the ONLY god? Of course it does.
Now, please answer that question I asked of you, Abe, Gene, and Ed.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2013,22:50) Terricca….. Right from the start…………….
Gene,There is a question awaiting an answer from you. Please either be willing to answer my questions, or don't post to or about me anymore, okay?
Don't even mention my name or comment on one single thing I write UNLESS you are also willing to stand and defend your claims by answering simple and direct questions.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 06 2013,16:08) Hi Mike, 1. The Hebrew word is אֱלֹהִים EL-o-heem, not gods; you are trying to back-translate English to Hebrew again.
2. I believe EL-o-heem in this instance means THE ANGELS.
1. Stop with that nonsense, Ed. If I'm “back-translating” gods into Genesis 3:5, then aren't you also “back-translating” God into any verse that calls Jehovah a god?Your precious AKJV is the Bible I quoted. And they FORWARD-TRANSLATED that instance of “elohim” as “gods”, didn't they? Are you saying your AKJV is WRONG once again?
2. Absolutely it refers to the hosts of heaven, otherwise known by us who speak English as “angels”.
And since you admit angels are also real, live elohim, then you must realize that Jehovah can't possibly LITERALLY be the ONLY elohim.
You can play translation games if you want, Ed. But don't ever fault me for calling a spade a spade……….. ESPECIALLY when it comes to believing exactly what the scriptures teach me.
Jehovah is only the Most High Elohim because there exist other, less high elohim.
Jehovah is only the Elohim of elohim because there exist other elohim for Him to be the Elohim of.
End of story.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2013,17:26) Eddy's been falling hard since I've known him. But I still love him.BTW, Abe was only quoting what I said. Unfortunately, I'm the one who told them to pull their heads out of their butts.
Those were my words, not his.I apologize to all for that angry outburst. It was uncalled for, and said only out of frustration.
Hi Mike,Apology accepted.
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Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods, Abe? Gene? Marty? Kerwin? Eddy?
Ex.23:13 “Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.
do not Mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard From your mouth.
Deut.4:39 “Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is No other.
Jos.23:7 so that you will not associate with these nations, these which remain among you, or Mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them.
Ps.16:4 The sorrows of those who have bartered for another god will be multiplied; I shall not pour out their drink offerings of blood, Nor will I take their names upon my lips.
Nor will I take their names upon my lips.
Mal.2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Eph.4:4 [There is] One body and One Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.One God and Father of all
1Cor.8:4 With regard then to eating food sacrificed to idols, we know that “an idol in this world is nothing,” and that “there is no God but One.” 5If after all there are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 Yet for us(Christians) there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.Mk.12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord: 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Peace brother…
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 07 2013,09:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2013,11:58) Marty ……God calls his people God's in scripture, in a possessive sense, like the people of God are God's people. Therefore it says , he called them God's unto whom the word of God came and in another place it says, HE came to his “OWN” and his “OWN” received him NOT. All of this Is given in a possessive sense, None of it means a person is a God. IMO Peace and Love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Finally a logical reason is forthcoming.
T8…….. I have said that several times before here. there is no, “Finally” to It brother. Anyone who pushes other so-called Gods rather big or little gods is an IDOLATOR . IMOI have tried to show where there is TWO things that make up a God of any Kind.
1…….. It must have “Power” in the mind of the Person worshiping it.
2…….. It must be “trusted” or “FAITH”, in, and requires obedience
These two qualities is what makes a GOD, without both of them , you simply can not have a God. Now these FALSE God's of ignorant men, are Gods made up in the minds of men, and they do not actually exist as a “TRUE” God, except in the mind of theose cursed, IDOLATORS. We are told to not to have anything to do with those ignorant people, who believe in those “FALSE” Gods. Unto Us “TRUE” believers, there is NO GOD BUT ONE. We like Jesus say, “THOU ART THE “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. Therefore all other Gods are “FALSE” God's. And those who push them are IDOLATORS, and are under a curse. IMOPeace and love to you and yours T8………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2013,09:50) Quote (abe @ Aug. 05 2013,01:57) Hi Mike, (Quote)
My God, people! Pull your heads out of your asses and pay attention to the scriptures!“You must be Born from Above.”
Peace brother……..
It gets so frustrating, Pierre! It's like these guys grew up during the time that everyone was convinced the earth was flat, and that lie sunk deep into their heads from a young age. And then, in their older age, it was discovered that the earth was round, and not flat. And despite all the clear and undeniable evidence that the earth is round, they keep insisting it is flat anyway – because that is what they grew up believing, and it is now so hard-wired into their brains that when they are shown the truth of the matter, they refuse to accept it. I'm going to try one more time slowly for them. How much you want to bet that none of them even addresses my coming points with direct response?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods, Abe? Gene? Marty? Kerwin? Eddy?
Hi Mike:To be “as gods” does not make that someone “a god”. Men who act as God's representatives, including Jesus, are called “god”, As His Representatives
I don't know anyway to make this any clearer than that.
And this verse of scripture, the serpent is speaking to Eve, and he is correct they became “as gods knowing good and evil”, but neither one of them became “a god”. It just means that they and we are like God in that we have the ability to discern “good and evil.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (abe @ Aug. 07 2013,16:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2013,17:26) Eddy's been falling hard since I've known him. But I still love him.BTW, Abe was only quoting what I said. Unfortunately, I'm the one who told them to pull their heads out of their butts.
Those were my words, not his.I apologize to all for that angry outburst. It was uncalled for, and said only out of frustration.
Hi Mike,Apology accepted.
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Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are those gods, Abe? Gene? Marty? Kerwin? Eddy?
Ex.23:13 “Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.
do not Mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard From your mouth.
Deut.4:39 “Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is No other.
Jos.23:7 so that you will not associate with these nations, these which remain among you, or Mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them.
Ps.16:4 The sorrows of those who have bartered for another god will be multiplied; I shall not pour out their drink offerings of blood, Nor will I take their names upon my lips.
Nor will I take their names upon my lips.
Mal.2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Eph.4:4 [There is] One body and One Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.One God and Father of all
1Cor.8:4 With regard then to eating food sacrificed to idols, we know that “an idol in this world is nothing,” and that “there is no God but One.” 5If after all there are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 Yet for us(Christians) there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.Mk.12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord: 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Peace brother…
Abe………Amen brother.PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU AND YOURS……………………….GENE
abe
Quote Deut.4:39 “Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is No other. Jos.23:7 so that you will not associate with these nations, these which remain among you, or Mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them.
Jos 23:6 “Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left.
Jos 23:7 Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them.
Jos 23:8 But you are to hold fast to the LORD your God, as you have until now.
Jos 23:9 “The LORD has driven out before you great and powerful nations; to this day no one has been able to withstand you.
Jos 23:10 One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.
Jos 23:11 So be very careful to love the LORD your God.Dt 4:34 Has any god ever tried to take for himself one nation out of another nation, by testings, by miraculous signs and wonders, by war, by a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, or by great and awesome deeds, like all the things the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your very eyes?
Dt 4:35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.
Dt 4:36 From heaven he made you hear his voice to discipline you. On earth he showed you his great fire, and you heard his words from out of the fire.when you see what is written in the context it shows that what you think of it is not the same of that what you which to be ,THE iSRAELITES KNEW VERY WELL THE GODS OF EGYPT AND OF CANAAN BUT GOD AS SHOWN THEM THEIR TOTAL WEAKNESS AGAINST HIM AND HIS PERFOREMANCE INTO THOSE LANDS TO SHOW THE ISRAELITES THAT IN FACT THERE IS NO OTHER GOD LIKE JEHOVAH GOD ,BECAUSE NONE OF THE OTHER GODS COULD STOP HIM FROM DESTROYING THEIR PEOPLE AND SO FREEING HIS PEOPLE KEPT CAPTIVE BY THOSE NATIONS AND THEIR GODS,
The bolded part is well said, Pierre.
Abe, all you've done is list even more scriptures that speak of other gods, and Jehovah's instructions to the Israelites to not invoke their names like those other nations do.
Jehovah didn't refute the existence of the gods of the other nations. He just said not to call on them, bow to them, or worship them.
Isn't the fact that He told His nation to worship and serve only Him as God, instead of the gods of the nations, clear proof that those other gods existed?
Abe, I want an answer about who YOU think the gods in Gen 3:5 are. I believe Satan refers to the spirit sons of God in His heavenly counsel. We usually call these beings “angels” in English. Do you agree with me that Satan was referring to angels/heavenly counsel in 3:5?
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