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[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2013,03:55)

Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2013,10:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2013,12:45) my faith is simple:  there is only one true God and Jesus is either a true god or a false God. Hi Mike, There is only one true God and Jesus is neither a true God or a false God. I only had to add the letter “N” to change 'either' to “NEITHER”.   Not exactly, Ed.  You had to add that “N”………… AND you had to ignore countless scriptures that speak of other gods.  You had to ignore the fact that Jesus is called a god in at least 4 different scriptures (perhaps more). Let me see if I can take baby steps for you, Gene, Abe, 2B, and some others………… Psalm 8 4 what is mankind that you are mindful of them,    human beings that you care for them? 5 You have made them a little lower than the gods    and crowned them with glory and honor. Who exactly are these gods that Jehovah made mankind a little lower than?  (Before you answer, compare with Hebrews 2:7 to see who PAUL understood these gods to be.  Then give me your DIRECT answer to the question.) I ask the above question to Abe, Ed, Gene, 2B, and Marty.  Please answer it………… all of you.

Hi Mike,

       They are not 'gods' but “Angels”…

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“Thou hast made him a little lower than The Angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.” (Psalms 8:5)

Does “EL-o-heem” in Hebrew mean  only “GOD”?
                             or
Does “EL-o-heem” instead mean any the following?
                                            (depending on THE CONTEXT)

               1. GOD
               2. Angels
               3. Leaders
               4. Magistrates

We can CLEARLY see from our understanding of Scripture
that “EL-o-heem” is used in “ALL FOUR” of these examples.
That's why you attempt to generalize it to mean mighty one.

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Sometimes YOU want EL-o-heem to mean gods, other times YOU don't.
That makes #4 now in the list of inconsistencies I see in YOUR belief.

1. The bible says there are no other Gods – except when it says there is.
2. GOD created the world by himself – except when it says Jesus helped.
3. The bible “The Word” of God – except when it says Jesus is the word.
4. EL-o-heem means gods translated to English – except when it doesn't.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2013,13:13)

Eddy?  Aren't you going to answer my question?

Patience my friend, it takes me time to formulate responses.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2013,07:46)

Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2013,02:22) Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2013,12:42) Hi Pierre, Do you know what the term “Messiah” means? God bless Ed J edj as long that you know it ,we are then one step ahead, Hi Pierre, Yes, YOU ARE certainly one step ahead – because “I” will certainly explain it to you for your understanding; “Christ” or more properly “Messiah” in the Hebrew means “God's anointed LEADER”. *AND*  “Lord” in  **BOTH**  Greek and Hebrew means “OWNER”. God hath made Jesus both “OWNER and “LEADER” (ref, Acts 2:36) Therefore GOD's Son is: “LEADER of leaders and OWNER of owners”  (ref, 1Timothy 6:15) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

eddy

Ac 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Lord /owner yeah , Christ/ anointed one /king

you say;

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“Christ” or more properly “Messiah” in the Hebrew means “God's anointed LEADER”. *AND*  “Lord” in  **BOTH**  Greek and Hebrew means “OWNER”.

but what is it that you want to point out to me ,because this does not make any advancement in understanding that I already know ,;sins Paul says that Christ purchase us with his blood ;so any one that purchase something he owns it right ? yes ,also God his father giveth him the men ,

Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2013,08:23)

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,15:38) Marty Quote Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body.  Is that correct?  And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body? this are words said allegorically their is no church ,but a congregation of redeemed souls from the earth in number 144k and they are no longer man but spirit beings just as Christ is and was before he came down and died for us (Rev;7 and 14 Well, This is what the Word of God states: Jesus stated: Quote Mat 16:18   And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it And Colossians 1 states: Quote Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   And there are so many other scriptures.  Just look up the word church. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

I know what the word of God says ,but those verses are talking with an allegorical language ,Cephas /Peter mean ROCK ;does he means it is on Peter the man or on the rock what his name means or is it some thing else yet what you think

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2013,13:38)

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2013,07:46) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2013,02:22) Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2013,12:42) Hi Pierre, Do you know what the term “Messiah” means? God bless Ed J edj as long that you know it ,we are then one step ahead, Hi Pierre, Yes, YOU ARE certainly one step ahead – because “I” will certainly explain it to you for your understanding; “Christ” or more properly “Messiah” in the Hebrew means “God's anointed LEADER”. *AND*  “Lord” in  **BOTH**  Greek and Hebrew means “OWNER”. God hath made Jesus both “OWNER and “LEADER” (ref, Acts 2:36) Therefore GOD's Son is: “LEADER of leaders and OWNER of owners”  (ref, 1Timothy 6:15) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org eddy Ac 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Lord /owner  yeah ,  Christ/ anointed one /king you say; Quote “Christ” or more properly “Messiah” in the Hebrew means “God's anointed LEADER”. *AND*  “Lord” in  **BOTH**  Greek and Hebrew means “OWNER”. but what is it that you want to point out to me ,because this does not make any advancement in understanding that I already know ,;sins Paul says that Christ purchase us with his blood ;so any one that purchase something he owns it right ? yes ,also God his father giveth him the men , Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

Not everything I say is new to you.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2013,13:43)

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2013,08:23) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,15:38) Marty Quote Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body.  Is that correct?  And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body? this are words said allegorically their is no church ,but a congregation of redeemed souls from the earth in number 144k and they are no longer man but spirit beings just as Christ is and was before he came down and died for us (Rev;7 and 14 Well, This is what the Word of God states: Jesus stated: Quote Mat 16:18   And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it And Colossians 1 states: Quote Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   And there are so many other scriptures.  Just look up the word church. Love in Christ, Marty Marty I know what the word of God says ,but those verses are talking with an allegorical language ,Cephas /Peter mean ROCK ;does he means it is on Peter the man or on the rock what his name means or is it some thing else yet what you think

Hi Pierre:

It means:

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Eph 2:20   And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];   Eph 2:21   In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:   Eph 2:22   In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2013,09:18)

Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2013,13:43) Quote (942767 @ June 24 2013,08:23) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,15:38) Marty Quote Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body.  Is that correct?  And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body? this are words said allegorically their is no church ,but a congregation of redeemed souls from the earth in number 144k and they are no longer man but spirit beings just as Christ is and was before he came down and died for us (Rev;7 and 14 Well, This is what the Word of God states: Jesus stated: Quote Mat 16:18   And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it And Colossians 1 states: Quote Col 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.   And there are so many other scriptures.  Just look up the word church. Love in Christ, Marty Marty I know what the word of God says ,but those verses are talking with an allegorical language ,Cephas /Peter mean ROCK ;does he means it is on Peter the man or on the rock what his name means or is it some thing else yet what you think Hi Pierre: It means: Quote Eph 2:20   And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];   Eph 2:21   In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:   Eph 2:22   In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.   Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

now i do humble to that explanation ,because it is the utmost truth,

in those three verse you quote ,is the structure of almost the entire understanding of scriptures ,

[GeneBalthrop]

Edj…………. Pierre and Mike don't have any idea what thy are even saying IMO, and how they both continue to contradict themselves . They change scriptures to meet there Preexistence dogmas and are nothing more then mini Trinitarians , they have to make Jesus a God or they have nothing to support their false teachings of Jesus being the “word” of God , who they say is a God. Even though Jesus and God the father and Paul and other men of God tells there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD they can't even understand if there is JUST ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHERS MUST BE FALSE GOD'S , I mean they can't even figure that SIMPLE thing out.

Their teachings are a work of separation because thee work to separate Jesus from his human identity , making him different then we are, not understanding God the Father was using a MAN to just like we are to bring about his perfecting of man kind and that Man is and was Jesus Christ. They give him all kind of advantage over us that he never had except he was Gods prototype for all mankind. God took an ordinary born human being , coming into existence through a women, by a berth process, and perfected him into a perfect son of God, as an example to all of , what he can do for us also.

They have completely perverted the true Gospel into a false teaching full of pits and snares as the people they learned it from do. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2013,09:10)

Quote (abe @ June 23 2013,00:59) Hi Ed, When did Mike and T. start believing this  STUFF? I read the other threads, it seems LU and Mike and T believe the same thing? Don't forget Kerwin.  He also believes Paul that there are indeed many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth. The question I asked in my post to Ed should be the beginning of you guys being able to shed those “general consensus” blinders you've been wearing all your lives.  It should be the beginning of you guys being able to accept the scriptures for what they truly teach – without trying to protect the Bible from itself. In fact Abe, I'm going to give you the answer to that question:  Angels. When Psalm 8:5 speaks of Jehovah making mankind a little lower than “the gods”, it is referring to Jehovah making mankind a little lower than the angels – as can be easily assessed from the way Paul quoted that psalm in Hebrews 2:7. Can we all at least agree that the “gods” of Psalm 8:5 are in fact angels, like Paul said?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

Col.2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Eph.5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them;

Peace.

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2013,07:31)

Edj…………. Pierre  and Mike don't have any idea what thy are even saying IMO, and how they both continue to contradict  themselves . They change scriptures to meet there Preexistence dogmas and are nothing more then mini Trinitarians , they have to make Jesus a God or they have nothing to support their false teachings of Jesus being the “word” of God , who they say is a God. Even though Jesus and God the father and Paul and other men of God tells there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD they can't even understand if there is JUST ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHERS MUST BE FALSE GOD'S , I mean they can't even figure that SIMPLE thing out. Their teachings are a work of separation because thee work to separate Jesus from his human identity , making him different then we are, not understanding God the Father was using  a MAN to just like we are to bring about his perfecting of man kind and that Man is and was Jesus Christ. They give him all kind of advantage over us that he never had except he was Gods prototype for all mankind. God took an ordinary born human being , coming into existence through a women, by a berth process, and perfected him into a perfect son of God, as an example to all of , what he can do for us also. They have completely perverted the true Gospel into a false teaching full of pits and snares as the people they learned it from do. IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

Trying to make Jesus “The Word” in John 1:1 spawns all kinds of crazy doctrines.
Notice how those who share this belief are the farthest out there
with regards to differing 'FLESHLY' interpretations?

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2013,20:32)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2013,03:55) 5 You have made them a little lower than the gods    and crowned them with glory and honor. Who exactly are these gods that Jehovah made mankind a little lower than? Hi Mike,        They are not 'gods' but “Angels”…

You are correct that the ones David called gods are indeed spirit sons of Jehovah – ones that we in English call “angels”.

Do you suppose that Jehovah's much beloved righteous spirit sons are “false gods”, Ed?  Is that what King David meant – that Jehovah made us a little lower than “false gods” like Michael and Gabriel?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 24 2013,14:31)

Edj…………. Pierre and Mike don't have any idea what thy are even saying IMO………..

Is that post your way of saying you WON'T answer my simple question? Or that you CAN'T answer it?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ June 24 2013,15:19)

Hi Mike, Col.2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception………….

Abe,

Is that post your way of saying you WON'T answer my simple question? Or that you CAN'T answer it?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2013,03:57)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2013,07:31) Edj…………. Pierre  and Mike don't have any idea what thy are even saying IMO, and how they both continue to contradict  themselves . They change scriptures to meet there Preexistence dogmas and are nothing more then mini Trinitarians , they have to make Jesus a God or they have nothing to support their false teachings of Jesus being the “word” of God , who they say is a God. Even though Jesus and God the father and Paul and other men of God tells there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD they can't even understand if there is JUST ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHERS MUST BE FALSE GOD'S , I mean they can't even figure that SIMPLE thing out. Their teachings are a work of separation because thee work to separate Jesus from his human identity , making him different then we are, not understanding God the Father was using  a MAN to just like we are to bring about his perfecting of man kind and that Man is and was Jesus Christ. They give him all kind of advantage over us that he never had except he was Gods prototype for all mankind. God took an ordinary born human being , coming into existence through a women, by a berth process, and perfected him into a perfect son of God, as an example to all of , what he can do for us also. They have completely perverted the true Gospel into a false teaching full of pits and snares as the people they learned it from do. IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene Hi Gene, Trying to make Jesus “The Word” in John 1:1 spawns all kinds of crazy doctrines. Notice how those who share this belief are the farthest out there with regards to differing 'FLESHLY' interpretations? Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

no comment ;deja vue

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2013,15:57)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2013,07:31) Edj…………. Pierre  and Mike don't have any idea what thy are even saying IMO, and how they both continue to contradict  themselves . Hi Gene, Trying to make Jesus “The Word” in John 1:1 spawns all kinds of crazy doctrines. Notice how those who share this belief are the farthest out there with regards to differing 'FLESHLY' interpretations?

It amazes and amuses me how the “three wise men” have all the time in the world to write all kinds of unrelated, trivial personal vendettas against me and Pierre, but DON'T have the time to simply write “angels” – which is the answer to that simple question I asked you all.

This kind of behavior only tells us that you KNOW what we're saying is true, and you can't figure out a way to refute it because it IS true. So instead of humbling yourselves to the TRUTH of what we're saying, you will pretend that we didn't say anything at all, and just continue to put us down with ad hominems.

Quite sad, if you ask me.

[terraricca]

Mike

Gene repeats himself in all topics ,in the four years I have known him ,I almost sure that he as only about 20 answers even if it shows that he as thousands ,they all are an variation of the twenty,:D

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike and Terriccca………All your qustion have been answered over and over and over by not only me but, everyone else here , it's not our fault you can't comprehend them. Is it becasue you two have a mental block or what? your both sow indoctrinated into you doctrine of confusion as ARe all Preexistences and Trinitarian are. Saying i say the saem thing all these years is rigth the truth does not change , to meet you false dogmas you two preach. So why Just keep answering questions and neither of you can or are incapable of understanding simple scriptures much less complicated one. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours……………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2013,19:06)

Mike and Terriccca………All your qustion have been answered over and over and over by not only me but, everyone else here , it's not our fault you can't comprehend them. Is it becasue you two have a mental block or what? your both sow indoctrinated into you doctrine of confusion as ARe all Preexistences and Trinitarian are. Saying i say the saem thing all these years is rigth the truth does not change , to meet you false dogmas you two preach. So why Just keep answering questions and neither of you can or are incapable of understanding simple scriptures much less complicated one. IMO peace and lvoe to you and yours……………………………..gene

gene

if this is true ,please show us where you did answer those questions ,???

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Saying i say the saem thing all these years is rigth the truth does not change

also you hardly use scriptures and it is more of opinions that you are formulating ,not truth ONLY GOD'S WORD IS THE TRUTH ,THIS TRUTH YOU HARDLY USE ,

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2013,07:06)

All your qustion have been answered over and over and over by not only me but, everyone else here ,

Really Gene?

Here is the last (of MANY) questions that have gone unanswered by you:

In Psalm 8:5, David says that Jehovah made mankind a little lower than “the gods”. Who are these gods David was referring to, Gene?

I'd like a clear, short, and DIRECT answer. (In other words, you don't have to tell me for the millionth time that I don't know what spirits are. You don't have to even mention the words “Trinitarians” and “Pre-existers”. You don't have to use ad hominems and make personal attacks against me. You don't have to do anything except for post a CLEAR and DIRECT answer to that simple question. Ed and I have already posted the correct answer, so this shouldn't be that hard for you, Gene. Go ahead………. give it a try.)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2013,11:36)

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2013,20:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2013,03:55) 5 You have made them a little lower than the gods    and crowned them with glory and honor. Who exactly are these gods that Jehovah made mankind a little lower than? Hi Mike,        They are not 'gods' but “Angels”… You are correct that the ones David called gods are indeed spirit sons of Jehovah – ones that we in English call “angels”. Do you suppose that Jehovah's much beloved righteous spirit sons are “false gods”, Ed?  Is that what King David meant – that Jehovah made us a little lower than “false gods” like Michael and Gabriel?

Mike,

They are not gods at all, why do you keep saying that?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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