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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,14:55)

If I were a monitor I would have told you along time ago to try to be more patient with other here.

Good advice, Gene.

Let's ALL (me included) try to be more patient and respectful to the other members – as far as it depends on us.

June 18, 2013 at 12:38 am#347984

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Abe, who are the gods in Psalm 8:5 – the ones Jehovah made man a little lower than?

It doesn't matter to Christians, we have ONE God.

Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.

So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS, that we should worship and serve as Jehovah.

But I still want to know WHO they are anyway. “It doesn't matter” is not a sufficient answer. It is in the scriptures, so apparently it DOES matter. Who are they, Abe?

Hi Mike,

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Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.

So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS, that we should worship and serve as Jehovah.

But I still want to know WHO they are anyway. “It doesn't matter” is not a sufficient answer. It is in the scriptures, so apparently it DOES matter. Who are they, Abe?

But I still want to know WHO they are anyway.

So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS,

Peace brother.

That isn't even close to an actual answer, Abe. But I've grown use to it. You remind me of a past member named Nick Hassan. Always talking, but never really saying anything.

Okay, I give up on you. You guys should all read the debate I'm having with t8 on this “god” subject. All I will be doing is declaring the same exact things the scriptures declare. If you ever catch me doing something other than that, then please call me on it.

But seriously, pay attention to that discussion. Perhaps you'll learn that what SCRIPTURES say about gods is not even close to what the general consensus of today says about them.

And you have all been taught by the general consensus. I'm trying to teach from the SCRIPTURES instead.

June 18, 2013 at 12:43 am#347986

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,17:28)

Because the word GOD implies obedience and worship and servitude. That is why Paul says there are so-called GODS MANY,

Gene,

The Biblical meaning of the word “god” is “mighty one” – plain and simple. And Paul never used the phrase “so-called gods”. That “so-called” part was added in by the general consensus people who try to protect the Bible from itself, by not letting it talk about other gods when it clearly, and many times does.

Paul said there were gods many, in heaven and on earth. You can either believe him, or you can add you own words (“so-called”) into his words to FORCE him into teaching something you WANT him to teach.

I choose to believe his words AS THEY WERE WRITTEN. Am I “wrong” for doing that?

June 18, 2013 at 2:38 am#348011

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2013,02:55)

Terricca……..No one is saying you can't disagree with us, but when you go beyond that and start accusing us of all kind of things your going to far, I told you a long time ago your acting like an accuser of the brethren . If I were a monitor I would have told you along time ago to try to be more patient with other here. Your sarcastic remarks only drive people away from the site in IMO. I have even been privately mailed about it. It seems when you can't explain your disagreements you become sarcastic with us.

Tell us who made you a judge over the household of God, even Jesus say he judged NO MAN have you now become greater the HE. Look I am no telling you this as an enemy of yours, but as a brother I do admonish and ask you, to try to be a little more considerate with everyone here.

Peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

COULD YOU OR 2BEE SHOW ME WHAT KIND OF WORDS I HAVE USED THAT WERE SO HARSH THAT IT TAKES TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT

IT SEEMS THAT I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED WITHOUT PROVE;

June 18, 2013 at 2:56 am#348013

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Quote (2besee @ June 18 2013,03:40)

Terraricca,

I know that some may pity you, but I also know that you are a troll and I know what trolls do. Most sites would have barred you long ago, but fur some strange reason you seem to be encouraged to troll, and yes the moderator reads your posts. I have seen your excuses, etc, and that is what trolls do. We are big people and i just ignore or laugh at you most of the time, but one day, if not already, you will do this to an innocent babe in Christ. The site will support you. You are a troll, simple as that.

2bee

you may think what you want about me ,or what you believe you think I do ,but this does not make you a better and truthful believer ,this can only be seen in your quotes ,were you show what it is you believe ,but it seems you do not allow me to counter with the scriptures and ask for an answer ,now this would be rude ,when you say that we have no truth or no spirituality ,or we should pray to accept your way of believe that you can not defend in scriptures ,this is called dumping ,this is also rude ,usually dumping is garbage ,meaning useless information from others loaded with opinion new and old ,

i am not envy you in any way ,the truth of God flees away from you ,and you do not even feel or see it , but it is your choice ,

so if you do not believe in the scriptures ,on this forum their is a section for you as unbeliever ,were anything goes except truth

so i hope you can see the way to go for your best personal interest ,

June 18, 2013 at 9:20 pm#348068

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:38)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 18 2013,02:55)

Peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

COULD YOU OR 2BEE SHOW ME WHAT KIND OF WORDS I HAVE USED THAT WERE SO HARSH THAT IT TAKES TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT

IT SEEMS THAT I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED WITHOUT PROVE;

Terricca……Why not try this, privately email Mike , and ask him to show you what you are doing, it seem no matter what we say you will deny it. Look I am not you judge, but I do agree with 2besee, you can be very sarcastic and rude at times. I know you believe it is, righteous indignation , but you are wrong, you have an accusatory spirit, as I have told you before, pray and ask God to change your heart , to try to be more kind toward others brother. IMO

Remember what 2besee said about offending a little one, remember what Jesus said about it also, ” it is better for that man to have a mill stone be tied around his neck and him cast into the sea, then to offend ( prevent ) one of these little ones”. We need to all be more careful not to offend or prevent one of these little one, it can bring the wrath of God down on us. IMO

Not all have the same measure of FAITH and KNOWLEDGE here , we are told to “GROW” in faith “AND” knowledge right? , we need to see ourselves as learners, like Kerwin has said several times before, I am also still learning and I remember 2besee saying that also and others have also said it to. Even Mike has said he has learned from others here somethings so, Lets all be more patient with one another. Jesus said we need to have salt, but he also said with that, and have peace among yourselves also. IMO

Said in peace and love……………………gene

June 18, 2013 at 9:39 pm#348072

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Terraricca,

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when you say that we have no truth

I have not ever said that. You on the other hand say that constantly to people.

June 18, 2013 at 9:50 pm#348074

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Okay, moderators, I reported a couple of recent posts as you suggested. Is that sufficient, or do I have to find more?

June 18, 2013 at 9:57 pm#348075

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Gene, that was well said. Hopefully Terraricca will listen to your advice. You have a much gentler approach than me. I just felt that something had to be done it has gone on for too long towards too many people.

June 18, 2013 at 11:42 pm#348078

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June 18, 2013 at 11:44 pm#348079

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Terraricca,

2bee

i am not envy you in any way ,the truth of God flees away from you ,and you do not even feel or see it , but it is your choice ,

so if you do not believe in the scriptures ,on this forum their is a section for you as unbeliever ,were anything goes except truth

so i hope you can see the way to go for your best personal interest ,

Hi T,

1Cor.8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is No God but ONE. 5For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,
6 yet for us there is [but] One God, the Father, from whom are all things and we [exist] for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we [exist] through Him.

Could you Please explain these verses for me? Thank you.

Peace brother..

June 19, 2013 at 2:41 am#348112

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Terraricca,

2bee

i am not envy you in any way ,the truth of God flees away from you ,and you do not even feel or see it , but it is your choice ,

so if you do not believe in the scriptures ,on this forum their is a section for you as unbeliever ,were anything goes except truth

so i hope you can see the way to go for your best personal interest ,

Hi T,

Could you Please explain these verses for me? Thank you.

Peace brother..

abe

1Cor.8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is No “ALMIGHTY” but ONE. 5 For even if there are so-called “ALMIGHTY ONES” whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many “ALMIGHTY ” and many lords,
6 yet for us there is [but] One “ALMIGHTY”, the Father, from whom are all things and we [exist] for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we [exist] through Him.

LOOK IN YOUR SCRIPTURES I HAVE CHANGED THE WORD GOD FOR ALMIGHTY ,THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND ,

1Co 8:2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.
1Co 8:3 But the man who loves “THE ALMIGHTY ” is known by THE ALMIGHTY.

1Co 8:9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak.
1Co 8:10 For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, won’t he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols?
1Co 8:11 So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.NIV

you can see that the difference distinction for the true almighty of Paul ;this sentence is all part of that distinction all ties in ;

One “ALMIGHTY”, the Father, from whom are all things and we [exist] for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we [exist] through Him.

June 21, 2013 at 1:45 am#348279

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,18:35)

The claim that there LITERALLY exists only ONE “el” was never taught in scripture, and was ushered in by Trinitarians who KNOW Jesus is called a god in at least 4 scriptures. Their thinking was: If we convince people that there is LITERALLY only one “true” god, and all others are “false gods”, then we can equally convince people that Jesus must BE that ONE true god – since nobody is ever going to call their Lord a “false god”.

Hi All,

Do you remember when I wrote those words above on this thread?

Now look at these words that my Trinitarian friend Daniel wrote to me just today in our debate thread:

my faith is simple: there is only one true God and Jesus is either a true god or a false God.

See how the Trinitarians did that? They convinced people that the scriptures LITERALLY only teach of ONE real (or “true”) god, and that all others gods are “so-called gods” or “false gods”.

And they did it for the very reason Daniel just cited above. His words say, in effect, Since I believe the lie that there is LITERALLY only ONE real god, and Jesus IS definitely called a god, it means Jesus has to be either that ONE real god, or a “false god”. Therefore, I choose to believe Jesus IS that ONE real god – because I couldn't stomach calling my Lord and Savior a “false god”.

The Trinitarians' plan has worked wonderfully for them, don't you think?

June 21, 2013 at 3:18 am#348302

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2013,18:35)

Hi All,

Do you remember when I wrote those words above on this thread?

Now look at these words that my Trinitarian friend Daniel wrote to me just today in our debate thread:

my faith is simple: there is only one true God and Jesus is either a true god or a false God.

The Trinitarians' plan has worked wonderfully for them, don't you think?

Mike

this is a good point ;bravo

June 22, 2013 at 1:38 am#348347

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Thanks!

Unfortunately, it is all too true. I would be willing to bet that more than HALF of all Trinitarians are such simply because of the flawed translation, and the Word was God.

And the ONLY reason that comically nonsensical rendering is in even ONE translation of the scriptures is because the Trinitarians have convinced unwitting people that it makes perfect sense for our ONE God to be with our ONE God – because He (They?) consists of three different persons in one Godhead. So it's “okay” for “God the Son” to have been with “God the Father”, but still be just ONE God.

Unfortunately, even non-Trinitarians have bought into this flawed translation. They have to come up with all kinds of asinine reasons to “explain away” the fact that they believe God could be with God in the beginning…….. or how the Apostle John could even teach such an asinine thing in the first place. In fact, Origen said it very well:

Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here (John 1:1) into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two theos [gods] and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked.

I would also be willing to bet that if people could bring themselves to believe the FACT that the Bible teaches of many gods and many lords, then we wouldn't have near as many Trinitarians. Because then they would no longer have to choose between Jesus being the ONE and ONLY god, or being a “false god”. They could begin to understand that Jesus is a lesser god than his own God and Creator, Jehovah, but still a real and true god. Everything would start to fall into place for them. The already believe that “the Father part of the Godhead” is greater than “the Son part of the Godhead”…….. so they'd be half way home already.

So in a very important and very radical way, the LIE that the Bible LITERALLY teaches that there exists only ONE god is the biggest catalyst for a person becoming a Trinitarian.

It is also high on the list of reasons for becoming a non-preexister…….. coming in a close second place to the PERSONAL WISHES of these people for Jesus to have been “exactly like them”, so that they feel more empowered or something.

June 22, 2013 at 1:49 am#348350

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Thanks!

Unfortunately, it is all too true. I would be willing to bet that more than HALF of all Trinitarians are such simply because of the flawed translation, and the Word was God.

So in a very important and very radical way, the LIE that the Bible LITERALLY teaches that there exists only ONE god is the biggest catalyst for a person becoming a Trinitarian.

hi mike

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the LIE that the Bible LITERALLY teaches that there exists only ONE god is the biggest catalyst for a person becoming a Trinitarian.

I see what you are saying ,but I do not see it as a lie ,I do understand that God almighty and father of Christ as no equal and so his the only true God ;now their could be 1000's of other gods true ones or false ones ,would any of those be equal to the father NO,NO NEVER ,becuse he as no equal ,the closes to the father would be his only begotten son Jesus Christ,

but that also many do not swallow even that it is written in the scriptures ,

it seems that ,,,???

June 22, 2013 at 2:00 am#348352

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I see what you are saying ,but I do not see it as a lie ,I do understand that God almighty and father of Christ as no equal and so his the only true God

Ah, but it's not the Hebrew word “el” that distinguishes Jehovah from all the other gods, Pierre. The word “el” is generic, and refers to any “mighty one” – whether man, angel, Satan, Jesus, or Jehovah.

What distinguishes Jehovah from the rest of the gods is that He alone is the MOST HIGH god. He alone is the god OF the other gods. He alone is the ALMIGHTY god.

So it's not that Jehovah is the ONLY god, but that He is the MOST HIGH one, and the ONLY one who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them (INCLUDING those other gods).

June 22, 2013 at 3:31 am#348359