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Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”.

I guess that you cannot.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26)

Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot.

Hi T8,

  You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said:
“To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,
  dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 06 2013,10:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,11:42) My Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the One who sent him. Did yours? Mike……..The Jesus i get from scripture came into existence through a women…………

So then the REAL answer to my question is, “NO Mike.  My Jesus did NOT come down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him.”

(Please just answer my questions in a direct, to-the-point manner like that from now on, okay Gene?)

John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

See Gene?  MY Jesus actually tells us in his own words that he DID come down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him.  So one of us is ALIGNED with scripture – and one of us isn't.

And before you start with the old, “that's not what Jesus meant when he said he came down from heaven”, consider what the Jews to whom he said those words replied:

John 6:42
“Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”

See Gene?  They understood WHAT he was telling them.  They just didn't understand how such a thing could be.

So you guys can keep PRETENDING that you don't understand the meaning of the simple words, “I came down from heaven” if you want to.  As for me, I DO understand those words – and I believe them.

And therein lies our main disagreement, Gene. I believe the words of my Lord – and you don't.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,04:53)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26) Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot. Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

could you explain the difference and also explain the impact of that difference ?

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,12:53)

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26) Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot. Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

There you go quoting the KJV which uses less reliable and newer texts.

All other translations that I have read say Yeshua in the text.

I think it is time to stop defending the KJV as the only true Bible and do some research into the history of the Bible and associated texts. You will be surprised to learn that the oldest texts are not used in the KJV.

Remember that the KJV has the Johannine Comma and other additions and subtractions.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,16:53)

Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25)

Ed,

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
To the only … God our Saviour-The oldest manuscripts have, “through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

The transcribers, fancying that “Saviour” applied to Christ alone, omitted the words.

The sense is, To the only God (the Father) who is our Saviour through (that is, by the mediation of) Jesus Christ our Lord.

In most cases, transcribers have ADDED their own words into the scriptures, to give them a “Jesus is God Almighty” slant.  In this case, they OMITTED words for that same reason: They WANT Jesus to BE the God who saved us, but the verse actually teaches about our only God saving us THROUGH His servant Jesus.  They therefore felt the need to “correct” the God-inspired scriptures for us – as they have done so many other times.)

Ed, you suggested that I should read the KJV next.  Perhaps it's time that YOU read a different translation – one that's actually based on the OLDEST mss that exist.  The KJV is based on newer, alterated mss.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,12:53)

So then the REAL answer to my question is, “NO Mike. My Jesus did NOT come down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him.” (Please just answer my questions in a direct, to-the-point manner like that from now on, okay Gene?)

Hmm. That is hard. If he agrees, then he goes against his position. If he disagrees, then he goes against scripture.

Will you stop this Mike, you are forcing him to dodge the question.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,13:11)

They therefore felt the need to “correct” the God-inspired scriptures for us – as they have done so many other times.)

What great men to do us all that favour, not.

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,12:53)

Hi T8, You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” (Jude 1:25)

Ooh I see. You are trying to convert Gene to the KJV Club.
What about it Gene. Do you want to join that club?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2013,17:11)

Hmm. That is hard. If he agrees, then he goes against his position. If he disagrees, then he goes against scripture.

He'll most likely go for the third option that I already mentioned, ie:  “I came down from heaven doesn't really mean what you pre-existers think it means!”  

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,09:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,04:53) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26) Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot. Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) God bless Ed J EDJ could you explain the difference and also explain the impact of that difference ?

Hi Pierre,

Here are the differences, you can see
for yourself they are saying different things.

“to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority,
through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”

“To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,
dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen”

I don't offer any information that can be used against me.
However, if you have a specific question I will surely answer.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,12:53) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26) Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot. Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org There you go quoting the KJV which uses less reliable and newer texts. All other translations that I have read say Yeshua in the text. I think it is time to stop defending the KJV as the only true Bible and do some research into the history of the Bible and associated texts. You will be surprised to learn that the oldest texts are not used in the KJV. Remember that the KJV has the Johannine Comma and other additions and subtractions.

Hi T8,

“Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.” (Acts 4:19)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2013,16:53) Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) Ed, Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary To the only … God our Saviour-The oldest manuscripts have, “through Jesus Christ our Lord.” The transcribers, fancying that “Saviour” applied to Christ alone, omitted the words. The sense is, To the only God (the Father) who is our Saviour through (that is, by the mediation of) Jesus Christ our Lord. In most cases, transcribers have ADDED their own words into the scriptures, to give them a “Jesus is God Almighty” slant.  In this case, they OMITTED words for that same reason:  They WANT Jesus to BE the God who saved us, but the verse actually teaches about our only God saving us THROUGH His servant Jesus.  They therefore felt the need to “correct” the God-inspired scriptures for us – as they have done so many other times.) Ed, you suggested that I should read the KJV next.  Perhaps it's time that YOU read a different translation – one that's actually based on the OLDEST mss that exist.  The KJV is based on newer, alterated mss.

Hi Mike,

No, I suggested that you read the “AKJV Bible” instead.
The age of a counterfeit is irrelevant, it is still unauthentic.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,10:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,12:53) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2013,09:26) Gene, we (including Paul and Jude) can pray, “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”. I guess that you cannot. Hi T8,   You can say that if you want, but that's NOT what Jude said: “To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,   dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.”  (Jude 1:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org There you go quoting the KJV which uses less reliable and newer texts. All other translations that I have read say Yeshua in the text. I think it is time to stop defending the KJV as the only true Bible and do some research into the history of the Bible and associated texts. You will be surprised to learn that the oldest texts are not used in the KJV. Remember that the KJV has the Johannine Comma and other additions and subtractions.

.T8………> And why wouldn't most say that way?, they were translated by Trinitarians and Preexistences like yourself. They like you and Mike are a God or as in your case “little god” makers. Lets face it you people have no problem changing scriptures to meet you false assumptions like changing the “word” written in John to mean “Jesus”  or the words “because of” to mean “Through”.

You trinitarians and preexistences are the followers of the false teachings of the Gnostic's believing in another God or “little god ” or angel, sent out from the pleura of the Gods into the earth to straighten out things here  a God or “little god” or angel ,   morphed into a human being.

Your arrogance flies right in the face of our true God, who told us who at least believe his word thou shall have “NO” other Gods beside Me , but bold are your workers of iniquities who not only believe in the LIE but preach it also. Now do you really think you will escape the wrath of God when Jesus comes and destroys those false teaching about Him,  that turns the   image of him as SON of MAN into a God and breaks the Law of God. Do you people really think you will go unpunished for breaking God's Commandments. Time is short you had better start getting it right if that is possible T8 and you to Mike .

Your Zeal for seperating Jesus from his Human Idenity will be your undoing unless you repent . IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

ED J………..Amen brother.We have Only ONE GOD And Savior, and One Kindsmen Redemmer, the Lord Jesus the “anointed”.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,14:08)

Hi Mike, No, I suggested that you read the “AKJV Bible” instead. The age of a counterfeit is irrelevant, it is still unauthentic. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So Ed J.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,06:55)

……..you and Mike are……. “little god” makers.

Gene,

Is Jesus Christ ever referred to as a god in scripture? YES or NO? (Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8-9, etc.)

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,14:04)

“Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.” (Acts 4:19)

God is not telling his people that the KJV is the only true legit translation.

So it is not about hearkening to me, but about not teaching false things. I simply am pointing out that false teaching is not good and anyone who engages in it needs to repent.

That is what is happening. But of course you would likely see it differently so you can continue down your road.

But I say you need to repent. I am allowed to say that and you are allowed to not repent.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2013,07:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,14:08) Hi Mike, No, I suggested that you read the “AKJV Bible” instead. The age of a counterfeit is irrelevant, it is still unauthentic. God bless Ed J So Ed J. You existed as a biblical person in your previous life. You have the authority to say that the KJV is the only true Bible. Sad for those before that translation was written and after the Textus Receptive. You have the authority to say that the Spirit is the Word of God and the sword of the Spirit is also the Word of God. You alone believe correctly that God is 4-square (Quadrinity) You have irrefutable proof that the KJV is the true translation because of English Gematria which for some strange reason doesn't match Greek Gematria, (different patterns). English Gematria is so convincing that even Atheists can be shown this irrefutable proof. Must be tough for you Ed J. Being the only one with the truth. I feel for you man. But hang in there. All of Heaven needs you. Or maybe you are deluded? Has it ever crossed your mind why the KJV is pro_trinity? And you don't believe Jesus is God, yet your perfect translation is twisted toward that bias. Some things you should think about Ed. Will take humility if you are serious about changing.

Hi T8,

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You existed as a biblical person in your previous life.

       Never said that

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You have the authority to say that the KJV is the only true Bible.

       Never said that either

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You have the authority to say that the Spirit is the Word of God

       That is truth and it has nothing to do with whether I have authority or not.

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You alone believe correctly that God is 4-square (Quadrinity)

       Never said that either

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Must be tough for you Ed J.

       Actually it is pretty easy being me.  

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All of Heaven needs you.

         You mean all of H-net needs me, right?  (ref. Heb 11:40)

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Has it ever crossed your mind why the KJV is pro_trinity?

       What is this “KJV” you keep speaking of?

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Some things you should think about Ed. Will take humility if you are serious about changing.

       You started the thread:

       Have you learned something new., Have you changed your mind?
       And so far, I'm the only one to document what I have learned here.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,14:04) “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.” (Acts 4:19) God is not telling his people that the KJV is the only true legit translation. So it is not about hearkening to me, but about not teaching false things. I simply am pointing out that false teaching is not good and anyone who engages in it needs to repent. That is what is happening. But of course you would likely see it differently so you can continue down your road. But I say you need to repent. I am allowed to say that and you are allowed to not repent.

Hi T8,

What is this “KJV” you keep speaking of?
Repent of what?

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I am allowed to say that and you are allowed to not repent.

       What is this suppose to mean?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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