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Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,09:46) Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2013,17:17) Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,08:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 16 2013,06:40) I will begin to go through them one at a time if you want me to.  But only after you acknowledge for me that Jesus IS called a god in certain scriptures. You have “kind of” acknowledged it already, but I want a definitive acknowledgement – one that I can quote for you the next time you forget that Jesus is a “small god” according to scripture. MIke…….. Listen clearly “OK”, JESUS HIMSELF IS NOT CALLED GOD , BIG OR LITTLE IN ANY SCRIPTURE. I have “NEVER” Acknowledge Jesus as a GOD, big or “little” god , NEVER. You have completely misunderstaood what i have said if you found something in what i said, that may have seem that way. I do recall saying GOD “PRESENCE” was THERE WITH THE “MAN” JESUS and the BIG GOD was “IN” HIM, and Where Thomas said “MY Lord, “AND” MY GOD>  When he came to REALIZE GOD the FATHER, WAS TRULY THERE “IN” JESUS HIS Lord. Both His GOD and HIS Lord were there, and that was Not a “little” god present But the BIG GOD and “ONLY” GOD, that was Preasent there. Mike , I explained to you how the Term God is used and it is never a “little or big God”. it is alway used with the Idea of “YOUR TRUSTED GOD” It is alway PERSONALLY USED in  context like,  the God of this or that or them or your God , My GOd, Our GOD, Their GOD, it has ONLY ONE MEANING HERE it IS in its simplest terms, “THE POWER YOU TRUST IN”. Now to you Jesus and satan and all the millions of God's people trust in are real Gods, to me they are “FALSE GOD” because i Have ONLY ONE GOD and I acknowledge NO OTHER GOD of any KIND. And that include your so-called  god ha-satan also. Now is that clear enough MIke that is the exact way i see it, you and anyone else can see it anyway you like . Jesus is Not MY GOD , He is My Brother in the Family of GOD, the firstborn in that Family,  But non of that makes Him or any other member of that family,  a God of any Kind, but members one of another in the family of God. Now I hope that answered you question as to how i stand concerning  the word GOD. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Hi Gene, Good Post. Ex.23:13   “Pay attention to do everything I have told you, and do not even mention the names of other gods – do not let them be heard on your lips. Peace brother… ABE are you a Hebrew or Jewish for quoting EX 23;13 Hi T, I am a Christian.  What religion do you profess? Ex.23:13   “Pay attention to do everything I have told you, and do not even mention the names of other gods – do not let them be heard on your lips. Peace brother. I am a Christian to the very core of my soul and heart So why did you not quoted Ex;23;10-13 this was ordinance to the sons of Jacob (Israel) How could this be applied to the Gentiles And sins Christ .??? We all should understand that the power of words are given by those who speak them,via there own spirit, so if I talk about Satan the God of this world ,would this mean ,that I worship him by saying his name,??? So I also could not attend classes of ancient history and cultures, we're they talk about ,nations believes and their gods,right Think, if you really do not believe in those gods then they do not receive power from you,right ???no sin is committed .[/quote] Abe This one

Hi T,

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Think, if you really do not believe in those gods then they do not receive power from you,right ???no sin is committed

Matt.15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

1Cor.8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

Yet for US

One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

I dont see little god?

Peace brother

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Quote (abe @ April 22 2013,02:39)

Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2013,22:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,09:46) Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2013,17:17) Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,08:56) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 16 2013,06:40) I will begin to go through them one at a time if you want me to.  But only after you acknowledge for me that Jesus IS called a god in certain scriptures. You have “kind of” acknowledged it already, but I want a definitive acknowledgement – one that I can quote for you the next time you forget that Jesus is a “small god” according to scripture. MIke…….. Listen clearly “OK”, JESUS HIMSELF IS NOT CALLED GOD , BIG OR LITTLE IN ANY SCRIPTURE. I have “NEVER” Acknowledge Jesus as a GOD, big or “little” god , NEVER. You have completely misunderstaood what i have said if you found something in what i said, that may have seem that way. I do recall saying GOD “PRESENCE” was THERE WITH THE “MAN” JESUS and the BIG GOD was “IN” HIM, and Where Thomas said “MY Lord, “AND” MY GOD>  When he came to REALIZE GOD the FATHER, WAS TRULY THERE “IN” JESUS HIS Lord. Both His GOD and HIS Lord were there, and that was Not a “little” god present But the BIG GOD and “ONLY” GOD, that was Preasent there. Mike , I explained to you how the Term God is used and it is never a “little or big God”. it is alway used with the Idea of “YOUR TRUSTED GOD” It is alway PERSONALLY USED in  context like,  the God of this or that or them or your God , My GOd, Our GOD, Their GOD, it has ONLY ONE MEANING HERE it IS in its simplest terms, “THE POWER YOU TRUST IN”. Now to you Jesus and satan and all the millions of God's people trust in are real Gods, to me they are “FALSE GOD” because i Have ONLY ONE GOD and I acknowledge NO OTHER GOD of any KIND. And that include your so-called  god ha-satan also. Now is that clear enough MIke that is the exact way i see it, you and anyone else can see it anyway you like . Jesus is Not MY GOD , He is My Brother in the Family of GOD, the firstborn in that Family,  But non of that makes Him or any other member of that family,  a God of any Kind, but members one of another in the family of God. Now I hope that answered you question as to how i stand concerning  the word GOD. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene Hi Gene, Good Post. Ex.23:13   “Pay attention to do everything I have told you, and do not even mention the names of other gods – do not let them be heard on your lips. Peace brother… ABE are you a Hebrew or Jewish for quoting EX 23;13 Hi T, I am a Christian.  What religion do you profess? Ex.23:13   “Pay attention to do everything I have told you, and do not even mention the names of other gods – do not let them be heard on your lips. Peace brother. I am a Christian to the very core of my soul and heart So why did you not quoted Ex;23;10-13 this was ordinance to the sons of Jacob (Israel) How could this be applied to the Gentiles And sins Christ .??? We all should understand that the power of words are given by those who speak them,via there own spirit, so if I talk about Satan the God of this world ,would this mean ,that I worship him by saying his name,??? So I also could not attend classes of ancient history and cultures, we're they talk about ,nations believes and their gods,right Think, if you really do not believe in those gods then they do not receive power from you,right ???no sin is committed . Abe This one[/quote] Hi T, (Quote) Think, if you really do not believe in those gods then they do not receive power from you,right ???no sin is committed Matt.15:10   And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. 1Cor.8:4   So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), Yet for    US One   God,  the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but   One   Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. I dont see little god? Peace brother

ABE

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Matt.15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. 1Cor.8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), Yet for US One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, th rough whom all things came and through whom we live.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ARE MANY MINER GODS IN THOSE ABOVE VERSE YOU QUOTE,

(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)

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I dont see little god?

BLINDNESS CAN COME AT ANY AGE,

IT SEEMS ,YOUR RELIGION AS MADE YOU A GOOD PROZELITE

[terraricca]

ABE

get in your head that I never denied that “for us true believers their is only one true God ” the discussion is not if their was a true God ,but if their are other gods

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,08:21) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,23:09) Mike, Your question shows a lack of knowledge. Kerwin, What separates the being of “God” from those things He created?  If the things God created are not God Himself, then something must separate them from the God who created them.  What is that something? Mike, Separation infers God has substance and God created all substance so he has none being as he existed before substance came to be.  Both the earth and the heavens have substance as God created them. How is substance separated from non-substance?

Kerwin,

God IS light, according to scripture, right?

Yet, in the beginning, God said, “Let there BE light”.

How can God BE light if God CREATED light?

You are making claims against things I've said, but you truly have nothing but your own imagination to back those claims. None of us know a single thing about what it was like when only God existed.

What I do know is if there is nothing that separates the being of God from the creations of God, they all merge into one, and God becomes His very creations. And I know that God is not the things He created. Therefore I also know that SOMETHING separates what IS God from what IS NOT God. Pierre and I call that a “spiritual body”. God's body is described in many scriptures, Kerwin. One off the top of my head is Phil 2:6. Jesus was existing in the “morphe” (OUTWARD APPEARANCE/FORM) of God.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,12:43) I addressed it, Abe.  Now I'm waiting for YOUR response to MY rebuttal. Mike where and when have you addressed this? , I would like to read it. Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

Third post on page 21, Gene.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,23:33) Quote (abe @ April 20 2013,00:50) Is.9:6   You should really have a hard look at this verse mighty God is not there. Okay, I'll bite.  What do YOU think 9:6 says? Hi Mike, Barnes' Notes on the Bible Much controversy has arisen in relation to this expression; and attempts have been made to show that the word translated “God,” אל 'ĕl, may refer to a hero, a king, a conqueror. Thus Gesenius renders, it 'Mighty hero;' and supposes that the name 'God' is used here in accordance with the custom of the Orientals, who ascribe divine attributes to kings. In like manner Pluschke (see Hengstenberg) says, 'In my opinion this name is altogether symbolical. The Messiah shall be called strength of God, or strong God, divine hero, in order by this name to remind the people of the strength of God.' But after all such controversy, it still remains certain that the natural and obvious meaning of the expression is to denote a divine nature. I dont know what it actually says. Peace.

How do you say, “mighty god is not there”, and then post a commentator that speaks of the controversy surrounding the words “el gibbor”?  

Of course the words are there. And you also told me before there is no mention of any “king” – yet your commentator says the passage is about a future king.

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Hi Kerwin: Of course, we know that his name is Jesus, and not “wonderful counselor, etc., but “name” here denotes his reputation because of his life of obedience to God.   Quote and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Thus we have him stating in John 14: Quote Jhn 14:7 ¶ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.   Jhn 14:8   Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.   Jhn 14:9   Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?   Jhn 14:10   Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.   Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

The word “father”, in the Hebrew culture, was sometimes used metaphorically of a protector – not a literal father.

For example, Job says he was a “father” to the poor. In Judges 17, Micah asked the Levite to “come be my father and priest”.

Elisha called Elijah “my father”. King Joash called Elisha “my father”.

There are many scriptural examples of this that I haven't listed. Read this from NETNotes:

This title must not be taken in an anachronistic Trinitarian sense. (To do so would be theologically problematic, for the “Son” is the messianic king and is distinct in his person from God the “Father.”) Rather, in its original context the title pictures the king as the protector of his people. For a similar use of “father” see Isa 22:21 and Job 29:16. This figurative, idiomatic use of “father” is not limited to the Bible.

I hope that helps.

peace,
mike

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The last I knew Jehovah was never called Mighty God. Almighty seems more appropriate for him.

Kerwin,

Jehovah is called “mighty God” in about 10-12 scriptures. Just search the words “mighty God” to see them.

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5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

Hi Abe,

You first need to read that passage the way it was written – as opposed to the way most of the English translators render it.

Paul wrote, “For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth – as indeed there are many gods and many lords……….”

See?  There are no “so-called gods” mentioned anywhere in that verse.  It says “those who are called gods”.  And there are no “quotation marks” around the words “gods” and “lords” in Paul's original.  Those were also added by men trying to protect the Bible from itself.  Paul simply stated that indeed there ARE many gods, and many lords.

These are words of SCRIPTURE, Abe.  The Apostle Paul, who was led by Jesus and the Spirit, said there ARE INDEED many gods, and many lords.  Do you believe him?

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Yet for    US One   God,  the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but   One   Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. I dont see little god?

Paul is speaking emphatically here.  How can we tell?  Simple.  Is Jesus LITERALLY the ONLY Lord we have?  Or is his Father and God ALSO our Lord?  Doesn't Paul also tell us in two different verses to obey our EARTHLY LORDS as we obey our Lord, Jesus Christ?

So you can see that many of those Paul was writing to were slaves, who had EARTHLY Lords – as well as “our ONE Lord, Jesus Christ”.  And EVERYONE Paul was writing to has Jehovah as Lord – as well as “our ONE Lord, Jesus Christ”.

So if “ONE LORD” wasn't written in a LITERAL sense, then how can you think “ONE GOD” was?  Especially when Paul just got done telling us that there ARE INDEED many gods and many lords, whether in heaven, or on earth?

Abe, I don't blame you.  You have fallen victim to those translators of scripture who try to protect the Bible from itself.  They cringe at the thought of breaking the “strictly monotheistic” code of the Bible that THEY THEMSELVES INVENTED.  The actual scriptures are not even close to monotheistic.  There are many gods described in scripture – some of them man-made idols, but some of them real, living beings referred to in scripture as “devils”.

The only reason the translators invented this “monotheistic” thing is to TRICK people into believing there is LITERALLY only one god in existence.  And why would they do that, Abe?  Because they are Trinitarians.  And these Trinitarians know that Jesus is called a god in at least 5 different scriptures.  So if they could TRICK us into believing there is LITERALLY only ONE god in existence, they could then TRICK people into believing Jesus must BE that ONE God – since he IS called “god” in scripture.

See how that works?  Don't fall for it, man.  Scripture is RIFE with other gods, including angels, Satan, demons, men, and Jesus.

I truly hope this information helps to get you on the right track.

Now, on a side note, notice in the verse you quoted who exactly “all things” came through. Does it say “the Holy Spirit Son of God”? Or does it say “Jesus Christ”?

That is one of at least three different scriptures that say ALL things were created through Jesus Christ. Keep that in mind.

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Quote (abe @ April 21 2013,00:22)

I don't understand Mike, he understands Jesus Christ to be the Son of God.  BUT now he is trying to make him GOD?

That's not true, Abe.  I know that Jesus is the firstborn OF God Almighty, and the servant OF God Almighty.  I know that our God is also Jesus' God.

What you need to do is get your head out of the 21st century understanding of the word “god”, and into the Biblical understanding of the words “el”, “elohim”, and “theos”.  

Once you understand that all three of those words simply mean “mighty one”, then you'll be able to understand that there are MANY “mighty ones” in existence.  Jehovah is one of them.  Satan is also one, according to 2 Cor 4:4.  And Jesus is definitely a “mighty one” too.  So are angels, demons, and even certain men who have ruled over others.

Seriously Abe, how in the world could Jehovah be the “God OF gods” if He was LITERALLY the ONLY god in existence?

How could He be the “Most High God”, if there exist no “lesser high gods”?

How could He be the “Almighty God” if there are no “less mighty gods”?

The word “god”, in Biblical usage, just referred to any of a number of “mighty ones”.  There is only ONE of those “mighty ones” who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them.  But that “mighty one” is not the only “mighty one” in existence.

21st century mentality tells us that ONLY the one who created all things is “god”. But that is so far from Biblical mentality that it is laughable.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,13:21)

Quote (942767 @ April 20 2013,20:05) Hi Kerwin: Of course, we know that his name is Jesus, and not “wonderful counselor, etc., but “name” here denotes his reputation because of his life of obedience to God.   Quote and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Thus we have him stating in John 14: Quote Jhn 14:7 ¶ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.   Jhn 14:8   Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.   Jhn 14:9   Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?   Jhn 14:10   Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.   Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, The word “father”, in the Hebrew culture, was sometimes used metaphorically of a protector – not a literal father. For example, Job says he was a “father” to the poor.  In Judges 17, Micah asked the Levite to “come be my father and priest”. Elisha called Elijah “my father”.  King Joash called Elisha “my father”. There are many scriptural examples of this that I haven't listed.  Read this from NETNotes: This title must not be taken in an anachronistic Trinitarian sense. (To do so would be theologically problematic, for the “Son” is the messianic king and is distinct in his person from God the “Father.”) Rather, in its original context the title pictures the king as the protector of his people. For a similar use of “father” see Isa 22:21 and Job 29:16. This figurative, idiomatic use of “father” is not limited to the Bible. I hope that helps. peace, mike

Hi Mike:

I do see what you are saying, but I do not believe that is what is intended in this scripture, but is intended to say that Jesus has those attributes of the Father. He is “the express image of God's person”.

No, He is not literally the “everlasting Father”. There is an abundance of scripture to show that He is not.

Thanks for your input.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 20 2013,09:04)

Quote (abe @ April 20 2013,14:09) Hi Mike, I believe its talking about the throne. However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age. Abe………. Thanks, Very true and accurate rendition of that scripture brother. I see it  more clearly now and agree with how you have presented it, I never noticed the word “ho” or “the” proceeding the word God there before.

Hi Gene,

Sometimes I just wait for you to comment and tell someone “you have posted it correctly” before I respond. That way, my response will be directed at YOU. And when it is directed at YOU, it is harder for you to just ignore it. (Not IMPOSSIBLE, because you often just walk away from our discussions when you know you've been beaten. But at least HARDER for you to walk away.)

Ready?

Psalm 45:2
You are the most excellent of men, and your lips have been anointed with grace, since God has blessed you forever.

Okay, is the person this wedding song is written to/about God Almighty? The recipient of these words is a “man”, who has been blessed BY “God”. So these words are not ABOUT “God”.

Are we all in agreement so far?

Psalm 45
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The subject is the same as before. The Sons of Korah are still talking about the same person – the one who is NOT God Almighty. We can know this from verse 7, where it is clear that this “god” mentioned in verse 6 has been set above his companions by his own God.

Are we still on the same page?

Do we agree that this psalm is about a king who is called “god”, but is not the Almighty God who set him above his companions?

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Quote (942767 @ April 21 2013,21:17)

Hi Mike: I do see what you are saying, but I do not believe that is what is intended in this scripture…………. Thanks for your input.

Okie-dokie.

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To the Son He says, O God, your throne is forever……………

Can this equally mean that the sons says, “O God your throne is forever”. I don't have the time right now to check the context. Also, I haven't forgotten about your question in that other thread, although I have forgotten the question. I will reply when I get some time. Been busy lately.

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Mike…….Seem you have gotten into a quagmire over this scripture, T8 say it might be talking to the Son of God, Abe says it is God himself and the word “ho” or “the” is not in the original wording, and even more you are confronted with the idea about a “LITTLE” god or the BIG GOD being mentioned there.

Here may be some help, Jesus is indeed exhilarated above his brother for a time, He return to this earth with all seven Spirits (eyes) of God, and more with the all seven POWERS (horns) of God , so in a sense he is utilizing full Godly understanding and powers, at his return, but with that understanding who is actually the God doing the works in the Kingdom of Jesus, is it not really God himself who is “IN” him, so if you understand this , them several thing can be understood , One is that it is indeed God the Father bring about the Kingdom Jesus  is setting up and it will as a result be an everlasting Kingdom, So this kingdom could be said to be GOD kingdom that will last for ever. But what about Jesus who God uses to set up that kingdom through a human ruler , Doesn't it say at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saints, that Jesus will turnover the Kingdom to GOD and become subject to it himself, So he no longer rules it as the King, but as a servant of it like everyone else is .

So if Jesus turns it over to GOD and becomes sub servant to it how is he them the God mentioned there who's Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom seeing Jesus does not retain Kingship over it any longer?

Mike i alway go by What God the Father says over any one else no matter who, and When He said there is “NO” God but him, and said he looked and found NONE  i believe it, “LITERALLY” If you would start to do that i believe it would clear up and simplify some of those cobwebs you have brother. IMO

peace and Love to you and yours………………………………………….gene

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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ARE MANY MINER GODS IN THOSE ABOVE VERSE YOU QUOTE,

(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)

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I dont see little god?

BLINDNESS CAN COME AT ANY AGE,

IT SEEMS ,YOUR RELIGION AS MADE YOU A GOOD PROZELITE

Matt.15:10   And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

1Cor.8:4   So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

Yet for    US

One   God,  the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but   One   Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Yet for    US

One   God,  the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but   One   Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

How about English Comprehension?

Peace.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ April 22 2013,06:52)

Can this equally mean that the sons says, “O God your throne is forever”.

Nope. When you get the time, I will show you why…………….. if you're interested in knowing.

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,11:03)

Mike i alway go by What God the Father says over any one else no matter who, and When He said there is “NO” God but him, and said he looked and found NONE  i believe it, “LITERALLY”

Actually Gene,

Jehovah said there were no “ELOHIM” besides Him.  How can that be a LITERAL statement when Jehovah Himself speaks of many other gods, including Satan, who He calls “the god of Ekron”?

How can it be LITERAL if Jehovah is the “God OF gods”?  Gene, who are these OTHER gods that Jehovah is the God OF?

Jehovah is also the “Most High God”, right?  Who are these “lesser high gods” that Jehovah is higher than?

Geno, don't forget that Jehovah also said, Besides me, there is no savior.  Yet we know that Jehovah SENT many other saviors throughout the scriptures – Jesus being the last.

Now, would you address that last post to you – the one about Psalm 45?  I'm also waiting for Abe's response to that post, and the other ones I addressed to him on this thread.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,17:17)

Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,00:28) However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age. Looks to me;  Unto the Son the Throne of  God into the age You don't think this verse is calling the Son,   God? That sounds about right, Abe.  But now let's separate the “Unto the Son” from the rest, based on the context.  We must incorporate the beginning words of verse 7 into our understanding. In verse 7, Paul says, “In speaking of the angels he says…………..” This line contrasts with the first words of verse 8.  Get it? Here is how it lays out:  To the angels, He says “X”.  However, unto the Son, [He says] “The throne of you, ho theos, is to the age of the age.” And remember that verse 9 (which is part of the same scripture Paul was quoting) ends by speaking about the God OF this first god mentioned. The passage speaks about a certain god, and the God who set this first god above his companions by anointing him with the oil of gladness. So yes, I'm fairly certain this passage refers to Jesus as a god, and then tells how the God OF Jesus anointed him and set him above his companions. (I would like to hear either your acceptance of what I've posted here – or your rebuttal.  I would also like to hear your interpretation of Is 9:6 – and why you think that verse isn't calling Jesus a god.)

Hi Mike,

However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age.

“The throne of you, ho theos, is to the age of the age.”
the God

Mike, your in DENIAL.

Peace.

[mikeboll64]

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I haven't forgotten about your question in that other thread, although I have forgotten the question.

Here is a different one. Answer this one first, please……………..

Psalm 45 is recited to a king. In verse 6, is that king called a god?

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