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[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,17:49)

Hi Georgie, Why are you coping my post without even reading it? I did read both of your posts that say almost the same thing. And I did understand what you wrote, though I don't agree with it. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Ed

I Logged straight out. I was not ignoring you. I was too busy to play games with you.

I want us to analyse scripture. Words revealed straight from God to us.

You want me to analyse your interpretation, not even your own actually, but some other man's.
Big difference.

Your interpretation is speculation.
And yes I've read your interpretation many times.
I am happy to discuss every single word you endorse
but I need you to answer my question.
You accuse Wakeup of not answering you
so now you are being a hypocrite by doing the same to me.
Your answer in your previous thread is not the simple answer I am looking for right now
for it is YOUR INTERPRETATION
Now please, let us discuss God's Words direct
my question is simple and I want a simple yes or no answer.
If you can't answer the question, then it makes you look
like you've been cornered and can't answer because it throws your interpretation out BIG TIME.

SO PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS YOUR INTERPRETATION AFTER THIS IS SETTLED.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 25 2012,22:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,17:49) Hi Georgie, Why are you coping my post without even reading it? I did read both of your posts that say almost the same thing. And I did understand what you wrote, though I don't agree with it. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed I Logged straight out.  I was not ignoring you.  I was too busy to play games with you. I want us to analyse scripture.  Words revealed straight from God to us. You want me to analyse your interpretation, not even your own actually, but some other man's. Big difference. Your interpretation is speculation. And yes I've read your interpretation many times. I am happy to discuss every single word you endorse but I need you to answer my question. You accuse Wakeup of not answering you so now you are being a hypocrite by doing the same to me. Your answer in your previous thread is not the simple answer I am looking for right now for it is YOUR INTERPRETATION Now please, let us discuss God's Words direct my question is simple and I want a simple yes or no answer. If you can't answer the question, then it makes you look like you've been cornered and can't answer because it throws your interpretation out BIG TIME. SO PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS YOUR INTERPRETATION AFTER THIS IS SETTLED.

Hi Georgie,

I answered all your questions, which question are you accusing me of not answering? And why
are you now name-calling? Is it because you are frustrated because you don't like my answers?

       Also you present a logic fallacy.

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You want me to analyse your interpretation, not even your own actually, but some other man's. Big difference.

       That would be like me saying your interpretation is not yours, but Wakeups?

My interpretation, as you call it, comes from
my understanding of the bible; not
from pollying Walid Shoebat.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

Yes I do want to discuss this with both you and your uncle.
I see that your explanation is tying Daniel 7:7 Rev.12:3. But…

I would like you to explain your understanding of Daniel 7:3-8
as relates to history; NOT HOW YOU BELIEVE IT TIES TO REV.

We can do this(compare Dan. to Rev.) afterward,
after we compare our understanding of Daniel; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,07:17)

Hi Georgie, Yes I do want to discuss this with both you and your uncle. I see that your explanation is tying Daniel 7:7 Rev.12:3. But… I would like you to explain your understanding of Daniel 7:3-8 as relates to history; NOT HOW YOU BELIEVE IT TIES TO REV. We can do this(compare Dan. to Rev.) afterward, after we compare our understanding of Daniel; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Ed

If you were my teacher and couldn't answer me this simple question with a yes or no, then I would walk out of your class.

Maybe you should stay out of the prophesy section. It's ok to not know the answer, just say so.
But it's not ok to be proud and ignorant, especially when it concerns matters of the truth, and you make yourself a representative.
We shouldn't bring our Lord shame, but answer any question confidently. Be ready in season and out.
My question is a pretty important one.
Show me if you have wisdom from God?
If you don't know who the dragon is by now, then he has still got you in his clutches.

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

I'm asking you to explain YOUR understanding of Daniel 7:3-8.
Will you “PLEASE” do so? Or are you here instead to ridicule?
By you explaining, that puts YOU in the position of teacher.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2012,10:35)

Hi Ed If you were my teacher and couldn't answer me this simple question with a yes or no, then I would walk out of your class. Maybe you should stay out of the prophesy section. But it's not ok to be proud and ignorant, especially when it concerns matters of the truth, and you make yourself a representative.   If you don't know who the dragon is by now, then he has still got you in his clutches.

Hi Journey, Loose the tude!

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath,
malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,00:26)

Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).” Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.                In order to understand this dragon, we must first look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3… Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon(Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.                                     Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                                     Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown                                               Then it suffered a deadly wound:                                        Muhammad did not have a world empire,                                        but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of                                        the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)                                   Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition. All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)                                     First loosing “THREE CROWNS” and the leopard spots:                    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;              and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and              ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.                                                           The quran prophecy                                    The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship                                    the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast) Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.                                                      Next loosing “THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and being exposed:                Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,           full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”        islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj

You are so mixed up,I wander if you know we're you are going with this

You really like to confuse people ,but it seems that some can see through you,

All the different beast are not dragons and are also different representation so no applause

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2012,16:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,00:26) Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).” Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.                In order to understand this dragon, we must first look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3… Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon(Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.                                     Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                                     Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                                     Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown                                               Then it suffered a deadly wound:                                        Muhammad did not have a world empire,                                        but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of                                        the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)                                   Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition. All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)                                     First loosing “THREE CROWNS” and the leopard spots:                    Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;              and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and              ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.                                                           The quran prophecy                                    The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship                                    the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast) Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.                                                      Next loosing “THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and being exposed:                Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,           full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”        islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Edj You are so mixed up,I wander if you know we're you are going with this You really like to confuse people ,but it seems that some can see through you, All the different beast are not dragons and are also different representation so no applause

Thank you Pierre.

And Ed, there was no filthy communication that came out of my mouth. That is a false accusation, but I'll suck it up anyway.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,07:17)

Hi Georgie, Yes I do want to discuss this with both you and your uncle. I see that your explanation is tying Daniel 7:7 Rev.12:3. But… I would like you to explain your understanding of Daniel 7:3-8 as relates to history; NOT HOW YOU BELIEVE IT TIES TO REV. We can do this(compare Dan. to Rev.) afterward, after we compare our understanding of Daniel; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Goergie?

Did you not say you wanted to discuss Prophecy?
Well we must then first start with fulfilled History, right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2012,10:35)

Hi Ed If you were my teacher and couldn't answer me this simple question with a yes or no, then I would walk out of your class. Maybe you should stay out of the prophesy section. But it's not ok to be proud and ignorant, especially when it concerns matters of the truth, and you make yourself a representative.   If you don't know who the dragon is by now, then he has still got you in his clutches.

Hi Georgie,

What do you call this? …kind words?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2012,17:29)

Thank you Pierre. And Ed, there was no filthy communication that came out of my mouth.  That is a false accusation, but I'll suck it up anyway.

Hi Georgie,

Wouldn't it be better to thank someone for agreeing with you, rather than
to thank someone for joining in on an attack against a Christian brother?

And yes, I do call that 'filthy communication'! Why don't you instead
explain your view on Daniel 7:3-8 so we can see where we agree?

Ed J

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,00:55)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2012,10:35) Hi Ed If you were my teacher and couldn't answer me this simple question with a yes or no, then I would walk out of your class. Maybe you should stay out of the prophesy section. But it's not ok to be proud and ignorant, especially when it concerns matters of the truth, and you make yourself a representative.   If you don't know who the dragon is by now, then he has still got you in his clutches. Hi Georgie, What do you call this?   …kind words? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Edj

The truth is some times hard to swallow ,but you do not die from it,

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

James 3:10-15 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren,
bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation
his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts,
glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not
from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,18:23)

Hi Georgie, James 3:10-15 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Ed

Yes you are right. I should be more patient. I am sorry for offending you.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,01:13)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2012,17:29) Thank you Pierre. And Ed, there was no filthy communication that came out of my mouth.  That is a false accusation, but I'll suck it up anyway. Hi Georgie, Wouldn't it be better to thank someone for agreeing with you, rather than to thank someone for joining in on an attack against a Christian brother? And yes, I do call that 'filthy communication'! Why don't you instead explain your view on Daniel 7:3-8 so we can see where we agree? Ed J

edj

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Wouldn't it be better to thank someone for agreeing with you, rather than to thank someone for joining in on an attack against a Christian brother?

thanks for TRUTH this would only be to God ,sins wen would men replace Gods own words ??

christian brother to scriptures true brothers only transmit the truth of God not their own teachings,

those are called false teachers,NOT FROM GOD.

but this you know very well

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 27 2012,00:10)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,18:23) Hi Georgie, James 3:10-15 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed Yes you are right.  I should be more patient.  I am sorry for offending you.

Hi Georgie,

Actually you didn't upset me as I have killed the ego long ago.
But we should strive to get along and help each other to learn.
I do appreciate starting over from a new place, and Thank you!

It is always best to start any discussion from the point of agreement; do you agree?
Now can you please explain your view on Daniel 7:3-8, so we can see where we agree?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,06:08)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 27 2012,00:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2012,18:23) Hi Georgie, James 3:10-15 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hi Ed Yes you are right.  I should be more patient.  I am sorry for offending you. Hi Georgie, Actually you didn't upset me as I have killed the ego long ago. But we should strive to get along and help each other to learn. I do appreciate starting over from a new place, and Thank you! It is always best to start any discussion from the point of agreement; do you agree? Now can you please explain your view on Daniel 7:3-8, so we can see where we agree? Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Hi Ed

In chapter 6, you will see that Darius the Mede is in rule.
Then in chapter 7, the vision revealed goes back a little in time to Babylon days during the days of Belshazzar, king Neb's son or grandson?

The Medes conquered Babylon.
The Lion is King Darius from the Medes.  He was humbled before God and was the one who made the decree that every dominion of his kingdom , men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel, because Daniel did not get hurt in the Lions den.  This vision depicts Darius only as the Lion, the ruler of the Medes, a notable king.

The Persians ruled with the Medes.
The bear is the King of the Medes.  This king has three ribs in his mouth representing three kings before him. This particular king is the mightiest out of them all, and is the fourth king.  A notable king

The Leopard is Alexander. The four heads are his four generals who received power after his death.  Alexander was a notable king

The roman empire is not mentioned. No mention of a notable king here.

The last beast is the last empire to rule.  It is different from all the beasts before it.  It is dreadful and terrible. This one has iron teeth because it devours and breaks in pieces whatever is in front of it and it is diverse from all the other beasts (kings) before it.  This beast has 10 horns, and a little horn comes up from amongst it.  This horn has eyes like the eyes of a man (it is a man) and it has a mouth speaking great things.  This beast was slain, his body (empire, and himself) were thrown into the burning flame (lake of fire)  so this happens at Christ's coming.

God has given us a clue by numbering the horns on this beast head.  There are 10 horns.  This beast is thrown into the lake of fire.

The beast in Rev 13 also has 10 horns.  He has notable characteristics like the kings mentioned above.  He is also pictured like a leopard.  A leopard moves fast and a skilful hunter.  He is pictured as a bear, as a bear has sharp claws and is ferocious.  He is pictured as a lion, as a lion has a loud roar and is king of the jungle (power)  He has all these notable characteristics like the kings of old who went down in history, and he has all their qualities rolled into one.

This beast has another one rising straight after it.  He has this uncanny resemblance to the little horn coming out of the 10 horns as mentioned in Daniel.  He must be the same.

Rev 13:10   ……Here is the faith and patience of the saints.

He is the false prophet.  He is also thrown into the lake of fire, and we know this happens at Christ's coming.

Saying who the 10 horned beast is, and who the false prophet is at this moment, can only be speculation.  We have to first use the process of elimination.  The king of the North is mentioned a bit.  The bible doesn't mention NE or NW like we do now, so to my understanding it is NORTH OF JERUSALEM – Europe.

Jeremiah 5:6   Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:22   Thus saith the Lord, Behold, a people come from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.

Jeremiah 6:23   They shall lay hold on bow and spear, they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion.

Jeremiah 50:3  For out of the north there come up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein:  they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.

Jeremiah 50:9   For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man, none shall return in vain.

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

Excellent explanation!
I will need some time to
formulate some responses.

I will fist compare what we
believe that's very similar before
delving into the bigger differences.

Thanks for the comprehensive explanation!
And looking forward to your uncles return.
Are He and Devolution both doing alright?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,18:24)

Hi Georgie, Excellent explanation! I will need some time to formulate some responses. I will fist compare what we believe that's very similar before delving into the bigger differences. Thanks for the comprehensive explanation! And looking forward to your uncles return. Are He and Devolution both doing alright? Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Thank you Ed.

My uncles internet is still not working, and my cousin has been very busy with work, and studying the scriptures.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,18:24)

Hi Georgie, Excellent explanation! I will need some time to formulate some responses. I will fist compare what we believe that's very similar before delving into the bigger differences. Thanks for the comprehensive explanation! And looking forward to your uncles return. Are He and Devolution both doing alright? Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

HI EDJ.

I am back,and have you been a good boy while I was away?

Lets clear up this confusion:
REv.17:9.And here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The 7heads are 7 mountains(kingdoms) on which the woman sitteth.(not more than 7 mountains).

Verse.10. AND THERE ARE 7 KINGS,(NOT 10 KINGS).
you have added 3 more kings out of the blue.(by magic).

6kings are gone; one is(1 king)is, today.

the 8th is coming,and this one will have 10 HORNS, and this one will be cast in the lake of fire,and the false prophet also.(end of story)THIS 8TH WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL KINGDOM ON EARTH EVER.
Rev13:4. WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM?—

Dan.7 :7. The DREADFUL beast,with the 10 horns,and a little horn coming soon after. This is the last beast.

verse11. This beast cast in the lake of fire.(last beast)(the end).

rev.19;20. The beast and the false prophet cast into the lake of fire.(last beast). (the end).

The last beast = the 8th beast=the dreadful beast = the 10 kings and f. prophet.

The 10 horns are on the one head.Dan.7:20.
And of the 10 horns THAT WERE ON HIS HEAD—

10 HORNS ON HIS HEAD; THE ONE HEAD.

Dan7:24. And the 10 horns OUT OF THIS KINGDOM ARE 10 KINGS.—-
(one kingdom with 10 horns).(not many kingdoms).
Rev.17:16. And the 10 horns which thou sawest -UPON THE BEAST–(THE ONE BEAST).( not 7 beasts)

You have got the 10 horns on the 7 heads.(error).

Can you see it clearly now,or are you still trying to find a way out,to save your master,from his big error.

Greetings to you.

wakeup.

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