Islam

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So copying what scripture says proves authenticity?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2009,19:08)

Hi BD, So copying what scripture says proves authenticity?

Mark 9:39-41 (English Standard Version)
39But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. 40(A) For the one who is not against us is for us. 41For truly, I say to you,(B) whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward

Luke 9:49-50 (English Standard Version)

49Â John answered, “Master, we saw someone(D) casting out demons in your name, and(E) we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us.” 50But Jesus said to him, “Do not stop him,(F) for the one who is not against you is for you.”

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Is that what you do?
Why not join in the blessed way of the Son of God?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2009,19:56)

Hi BD, Is that what you do? Why not join in the blessed way of the Son of God?

To have a complete understanding of Christ and all of the Scripture I believe for those who are interested in such they should read the whole Abrahamic connection.

The Quran is simply a progression of the Word of God that clarifies once again the original message of God.

The only reason why someone would reject it is because they are afraid to study it.

Just remember that Ishmael was born before Isaac and though the covenant was made with Isaac The scriptures also say may the last be first and the first be last.

Muslims are those who submit to God in total peace without rebellion.

By this definition All Christians that emulate Christ are Muslims.

It is important not to let the words Muslim or Islam cause you to have a quick reaction in Hebrew Shalom is Islam, words are just words but meaning is the point.

Now if someone says they Worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Jesus is there any other such God? Of course not. Therefore the Quran clearly states there is no god but God.

There is no Christian God and Muslim God there is only One God.

Remember Jesus quoted as saying “My God, My God” or Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani

In Arabic it would have been Elahi, Elahi

ALLAH simply means THE GOD and it doesn't have any plural form whereas in english you can say gods there is no such thing as allahs.

The first post you wrote on this topic was the best because in the Quran it agrees that you should not make mockery out of what someone calls God as you may be mocking God unaware. It is best to express a view based upon the presentation of what you know or based upon knowledge then to condemn something out of fear or what has been told to you without knowledge.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
God does not approve of men adding to His blessed words.
God does not promote men and their ideas over his Son.
No man can come to Him except through Jesus Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
We do not follow Abraham.
Grace and peace came through Jesus Christ.
There has been none greater before or since who can improve on his message.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No other man has improved the bloodline of God.
Now his family are those made one with His Son Jesus Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Many have added their words to what God gave us and claimed equal authority.
But the Spirit of God does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus Christ.
A wise man digs deep and lays his foundation of the one God appointed and anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2009,10:09)

Hi BD, Many have added their words to what God gave us and claimed equal authority. But the Spirit of God does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus Christ. A wise man digs deep and lays his foundation of the one God appointed and anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.

Hi Nick,

There is no disputing the way you currently believe!

Just understand that you judging others is not your call.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Doctrines are fair game.
Why folk feel personally hurt fails me.
Perhaps they cling to them far too tightly.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No new prophets follow Jesus Christ but only those united to him and working in his Holy Spirit.

No greater men have come doing the miraculous works he did, raising the dead and healing all who asked him.

Come to him and join the family of God, a kingdom which is not just of dry words but of power.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2009,07:25)

Hi BD, No new prophets follow Jesus Christ but only those united to him and working in his Holy Spirit. No greater men have come doing the miraculous works he did, raising the dead and healing all who asked him.   Come to him and join the family of God, a kingdom which is not just of dry words but of power.

Paul was a prophet and raised the dead. But that is not the point. There is no scripture that says no one is coming after Jesus.

But the Scripture does say that Ishmael and his descendents will be blessed and Ishmael is the ancestors of the Araba in which the Quran came to.

The Jews don't Believe in Jesus as the Christ so you not believing Muhammad is a Prophet doesn't make it not so.

But I attest to the validity of Muhammad as a prophet and the Quran as the word of God as evidenced by its content.

But you condemn it based on what grounds?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2009,18:59)

Hi BD, Doctrines are fair game. Why folk feel personally hurt fails me. Perhaps they cling to them far too tightly.

I'm not hurt I apologize if that is the way I came across.

Doctrines are totally fair game.

The Muslim doctrine is to submit to God Almighty completely

What about that doctrine do you disagree with?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
God wants to bring all to unity in Him through his Son Jesus.

Neither followers of Abraham, Isaac or Ishmael can expect any advantage if they refuse this good news.

There is salvation in no other name under heaven

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,07:28)

Hi BD, God wants to bring all to unity in Him through his Son Jesus. Neither followers of Abraham, Isaac or Ishmael can expect any advantage if they refuse this good news. There is salvation in no other name under heaven

That's not what Jesus said.

Salvation comes from God alone. The scripture says that anyone who believes that Jesus is The Christ and was sent by God is of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Jesus is the door.
Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers.

Jn10

Paul and Peter raised the dead but they ascribed that power to faith in their Lord, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Tell us of the miracles you have seen through other names.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,07:46)

Hi BD, Jesus is the door. Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers. Jn10 Paul and Peter raised the dead but they ascribed that power to faith in their Lord, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Tell us of the miracles you have seen through other names.

Every Miracle that occured in the Bible before the disciples. Elijah raised people from the dead. Jesus also said that they can do things in his name but there would come a time when they would speak to the Father directly:

John 16:25-27 (King James Version)

25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Think about what has happened with Christianity and how they turned Jesus into God that is why God sent another Prophet whom it can be argued that is like Moses which God said that he was going to do. Who is more like Moses, Jesus or Muhammad?

Moses and Muhammad are natural born men
They were both soldiers and killed
They both led there people out of polytheism and set up the worship of God Almighty.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2009,07:34)

Hi BD, We do not follow Abraham. Grace and peace came through Jesus Christ. There has been none greater before or since who can improve on his message.

We are not talking about improving a message but as you can tell from the conversations on this forum Clarity is essential and the Quran is the book that makes things clear.

Revelation 10
1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed the plan of God is to unite all men.
But that unity is in the Son of God Jesus Christ.

Clarification by any human book does not improve the words he spoke from God.

There is unity in the body of Christ and not division.

[NickHassan]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2009,07:58)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,07:46) Hi BD, Jesus is the door. Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers. Jn10 Paul and Peter raised the dead but they ascribed that power to faith in their Lord, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Tell us of the miracles you have seen through other names. Every Miracle that occured in the Bible before the disciples. Elijah raised people from the dead. Jesus also said that they can do things in his name but there would come a time when they would speak to the Father directly: John 16:25-27 (King James Version) 25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. Think about what has happened with Christianity and how they turned Jesus into God that is why God sent another Prophet whom it can be argued that is like Moses which God said that he was going to do. Who is more like Moses, Jesus or Muhammad? Moses and Muhammad are natural born men They were both soldiers and killed They both led there people out of polytheism and set up the worship of God Almighty.

Hi BD,
Did you mean Elisha?

The Spirit given to Christ Jesus is what unites the body with God. That Spirit is not of useless human theological words or vain religiousness but of power.

There was no later plan to send another greater prophet to tidy up some unexpected problems.

God does not fail but men hate His ways and devise their own.

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