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[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,13:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,12:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,10:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,03:57) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2013,13:02) Quote (Wakeup @ July 08 2013,15:50) SORRY: CORRECTION; HE WAS SPEAKING *TO* THE APOSTLES,BUT *OF* FUTURE FOLLOWERS. wakeup. These are speaking in “his name” just like you say they must and thy are doing many great things so why are they being called workers of iniquity by Jesus himself? Boditharta. Jesus was speaking of those, that will worship him with their lips only. Most of them today perform healings by mass hypnosis. They study in those things. Again,satan at work deceiving the many. You think *HE* will ever stop? Dont you know, that *HE* created all religions;including the christian religions today? Using Gods words,but misquoting them. *HE* has gone in all christian religions,and giving the top leaders, great material blessings,to corrupt them even more. Do you think that *HE* has not touched islam? wakeup. Jsus did't say “with their lips” he said they were actively healing the sick andfeeding th poor “IN HIS NAME” 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ The are evil doers because they neglected glory to GOD: “but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” What did Jesus say to God? “Not My WILL, but yours” yet you put what you think the will of Jesus is over that of God an there is the evil. this is why you do not believe Jesus was saved by God you don't want God to havethe Glory even though he said HIMSELF Malachi 3:17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. But you can't see it though.If you look in the scriptures the ALL point to Christ being spared Just like Noah(Saved) Jonah(Saved) Lot(Saved) David(Saved) Abraham(Saved)….etc Boditharta. QUOTE: Jsus did't say “with their lips” he said they were actively healing the sick andfeeding th poor “IN HIS NAME”UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— REV 3:15.16. I KNOW THY WORKS,THAT THOU ARE NEITHER COLD NOR HOT:I WOULD THOU WERE COLD OR HOT. SO THEN, BECAUSE THOU ARE LUKE WARM,AND NEITHER COLD NOR HOT,I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. (THOSE ARE THE LIP WORSHIPPERS).(THE LUKE WARM). —————————————————————— QUOTE: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— LIP WORSHIPPERS PRAYS GOD WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT DONT LIVE ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. GOD CAN NOT BE MESMERISED WITH EMPTY WORDS. —————————————————————— QUOTE: The are evil doers because they neglected glory to GOD: “but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” What did Jesus say to God? “Not My WILL, but yours” yet you put what you think the will of Jesus is over that of God an there is the evil.UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— ONE CAN ONLY GLORIFY GOD BY WORSHIPPING HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. AND NOT REJECTING HIS GIFT TO US. AND ALSO REJECTING AL; OR SOME OF HIS WORDS. MAKING HIS WORDS A GAME FOR ALL TO PLAY THEREWITH. —————————————————————— QUOTE: this is why you do not believe Jesus was saved by God you don't want God to havethe Glory even though he said HIMSELF.UNQUOTE: —————————————————————– SATAN LOVE US TO BELIEVE THAT GOD SAVED JESUS FROM THE CROSS,BECAUSE SATAN CAN NOT STAND BEING BEATEN BY JESUS RESURRECTION;FOR HE HAS CONQUERED DEATH; AND HIS FOLLOWERS WILL ALSO. THIS HE HATES TO HEAR. —————————————————————— QUOTE: Malachi 3:17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. But you can't see it though.If you look in the scriptures the ALL point to Christ being spared Just like Noah(Saved) Jonah(Saved) Lot(Saved) David(Saved) Abraham UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— ARE YOU SAYING THAT JESUS WAS NOT SAVED? ARE YOU SATING THAT JESUS WAS NOT QUICKENED. ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE IS NOT SITTING NEXT TO HIS FATHER,WAITING FOR HIS FATHER TO MAKE ALL HIS ENEMIES BE TRODDEN DOWN,SO HE CAN RULE IN HIS KINGDOM. THEN GOD WILL HAVE HIS TREASURED POSSESSION. —————————————————————— wakeup. You do not believ tht Jess was “SPARED” you believe he was sacrificed but you won't say SACRIFICED by who to who. Who offered up the Sacrifice and whom did they offer it up to? Plus you are saying God condoned HUMAN SACRIFICE something he said: Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Do you think God just was talking about offering their son to Baal or the very act itself? God hates harming the innocent. 1 Sa muel 19:5 for he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the Lord wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause?6 And Saul hearkened unto the voice of Jonathan: and Saul sware, As the Lord liveth, he shall not be slain. This to me is a Prophecy of Christ as this is also what Pontious Pilate said: Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Jonah 1:14 Wherefore they cried unto the Lord, and said, We beseech thee, O Lord, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man’s life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O Lord, hast done as it pleased thee. And it certainly did not please the Lord to kill Jonah although it appeared that he was killed. Boditharta. John 3:12   If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, **how shall ye believe**, if I tell you of **heavenly things**?  John 3:13   And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the **Son of man which is in heaven**.  John 3:14   And as Moses *lifted up the serpent* in the wilderness, even so **must** the **Son of man be lifted up**: (*MUST* BE CRUCIFIED).  John 3:15   That whosoever **believeth in him** should not perish, but have eternal life.  John 3:16   **For God so loved the world**, that he ***gave*** his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth **in him** should not perish, but have everlasting life. (NOTICE; GOD GAVE. ITS A GIFT).  John 3:17   For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world **through him** might be saved. (NOTICE; THROUGH HIM. BY HIM). NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME,(Jesus).(THROUGH HIM).ALL MUST O THROUGH JESUS. WE DONT WANT TO BE SEEN AS ROBBERS BY GOING THROUGH THE BACK DOOR.                         *** Bodi: I understand your position; the spiritual chain binding you is strong. Only the truth can break that chain. This calls for my  brothers and sisters too. But first; they must be willing to*see* the chain that is binding them,and by being humble; can see the truth,and therefore break the chain. For pride is in the way. We must come like children,that is to set asside pride. Too proud to admit wrong interpretation despite scriptures being produced.Too proud to say yes, I can see now,I was wrong,thank you. Too proud to ask questions,for asking questions only make them look like just learners. The spiritual chain and shackles,will not be removed untill pride is removed,so the truth can be percieved. wakeup. wakeup. Totally agree with your response and I will tell you I have no pride here at all and I am very willing to cncede on any point whetheror not you are willing to do the same so what did Christ mean when he said: “Son of man which is in heaven” Was Jesus in heaven while he was on earth?

Boditharta.

Thank you for the question.

WISDOM:

Proverbs 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
(WISDOM WILL GIVE US SUBSTANCE).(KNOWLEDGE IS TREASURE).

Proverbs 8:22 **The LORD possessed me** in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
(ALL IS CREATED BY GODS WISDOM;WISDOM WAS IN GOD AND IN HIS WORD IS WISDOM).

Proverbs 8:23 **I was set up from everlasting**, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
(WISDOM WAS SET UP FROM THE BEGINNING,THE WORD OF GOD IS WISDOM).

Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
(HE WAS BROUGHT FORTH,AND HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER). (I SAY HIS FATHER;BECAUSE GOD BROUGHT HIM FORTH,*NOT* CREATED, BUT BROUGHT HIM OUT OF HIMSELF).

Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
(ALL WAS CREATED BY GODS WISDOM,WITHOUT WISDOM CAN NOT ANYTHING EXIST NOT EVEN THE ANGELS).

Proverbs 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, **I was there**: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: (HE WAS THERE).

Proverbs 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
(HE WAS THERE).

Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when *he* appointed the foundations of the earth:
(HE WAS THERE).

Proverbs 8:30 Then *I was by him*, as one *brought up with him*: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
(HE HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER,BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE).(I SAY FATHER BECAUSE HE WAS BROUGHT UP).

Proverbs 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of **his earth**; and my delights were with the sons of men.
(ALL WAS MADE BY HIM AND FOR HIM).

Proverbs 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
(HIS WAYS WE MUST FOLLOW;NOT MENS WAYS).

Proverbs 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
(ONE NEEDS TO BE HUMBLE TO HEAR INSTRUCTIONS,
CHILDREN NOT HEARING THEIR PARENTS INSTRUCTIONS WILL GO ASTRAY).(CHILDREN OF; I KNOWING IT ALL BETTER;THIS IS PRIDE).

Proverbs 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
(WE NEED NOT FALL ASLEEP,BUT ALWAYS WATCHING,
SPIRITUALLY ALERT,FOR THE DEVIL DOES NOT STOP
TRYING TO DECEIVE, BY ANY MEANS).

Proverbs 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
(THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU;THEY ARE SPIRIT AND ARE LIFE JOHN6:63).

Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth **against me** wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

JESUS IS MORE THAN JUST A PROPHET.
HE IS THE WORD OF GOD AND IN HIS WORD IS WISDOM.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

bod

Ps 9:15 The nations have fallen into the pit they have dug;
their feet are caught in the net they have hidden.
Ps 9:16 The LORD is known by his justice;
the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands

this explain it quite good

[bodhitharta]

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bod this is one ;Mic 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.’”

Is Jesus ruler over Israel? Has Jesus ever bee ruler over Israel in fact didn't Jesus resist being a King while he was here?

John 19:15
But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.

John 18:36

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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and it is related to this ; Mt 2:2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.” Mt 2:3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. Mt 2:4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. Mt 2:5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written: Mt 2:6 “ ‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.’’” but now you have called the name that you have set out for me ,

John 18:36

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[bodhitharta]

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bod Ps 9:15 The nations have fallen into the pit they have dug; their feet are caught in the net they have hidden. Ps 9:16 The LORD is known by his justice; the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands this explain it quite good

You are right the Lord is KNOWN by HIS JUSTICE

1 Samuel 19:5
for he did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the Lord wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause?

Proverbs 6:16-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 These six things doth the Lord hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 a proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,

You seem to think God would do what HE HIMSELF HATES

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,11:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:02) Boditharta. Does it mean that you are disregarding Jesus own statement, that no one can come to the Father but through him? Dont forget that the jews today also pray straight to God, not through Jesus,like you do. All must come through Jesus;what can you loose if it was not true? But consider what you will loose if it is true. wakeup. He was talking to those people it was not a permanenet statement although believing in him is permanent but look: Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Boditharta. I see that you are still disregarding Jesus own words.        **No man can come to the Father but by me**. Paul was mentioning THE ELECTION, Those will be the jews brought back in the flesh by election;by mercy.(back into israel). Because the jews have rejected Jesus,and God has blinded them, we now can know God by the gospels. And can obtain mercy because of the jews unbelieve. And the jews also will obtain mercy through our mercy. Becaus the resurrected saints(the gentiles) will teach the jews the gospels; in the kingdom. So that all will be one.

So gentiles will teach Jews?

[bodhitharta]

But the Jew taught the gentiles

2 Timothy 1:11
whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,11:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:02) Boditharta. Does it mean that you are disregarding Jesus own statement, that no one can come to the Father but through him? Dont forget that the jews today also pray straight to God, not through Jesus,like you do. All must come through Jesus;what can you loose if it was not true? But consider what you will loose if it is true. wakeup. He was talking to those people it was not a permanenet statement although believing in him is permanent but look: Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Boditharta. I see that you are still disregarding Jesus own words.        **No man can come to the Father but by me**. Paul was mentioning THE ELECTION, Those will be the jews brought back in the flesh by election;by mercy.(back into israel). Because the jews have rejected Jesus,and God has blinded them, we now can know God by the gospels. And can obtain mercy because of the jews unbelieve. And the jews also will obtain mercy through our mercy. Becaus the resurrected saints(the gentiles) will teach the jews the gospels; in the kingdom. So that all will be one. So gentiles will teach Jews?

Boditharta.

YES; to provoke them to jealousy.
This is how God has planned.
The gentiles will come in first(spititually),and then the jews,after the second resurrection the jews will be changed into spirit.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,13:47)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,13:20) Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,11:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:02) Boditharta. Does it mean that you are disregarding Jesus own statement, that no one can come to the Father but through him? Dont forget that the jews today also pray straight to God, not through Jesus,like you do. All must come through Jesus;what can you loose if it was not true? But consider what you will loose if it is true. wakeup. He was talking to those people it was not a permanenet statement although believing in him is permanent but look: Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Boditharta. I see that you are still disregarding Jesus own words.        **No man can come to the Father but by me**. Paul was mentioning THE ELECTION, Those will be the jews brought back in the flesh by election;by mercy.(back into israel). Because the jews have rejected Jesus,and God has blinded them, we now can know God by the gospels. And can obtain mercy because of the jews unbelieve. And the jews also will obtain mercy through our mercy. Becaus the resurrected saints(the gentiles) will teach the jews the gospels; in the kingdom. So that all will be one. So gentiles will teach Jews? Boditharta. YES; to provoke them to jealousy. This is how God has planned. The gentiles will come in first(spititually),and then the jews,after the second resurrection the jews will be changed into spirit. wakeup.

Psalm 2

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

The Jews are Jealous becase they know WHAT THEY WORSHIP an the heathen does not:

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

So the practicing Jew knows the truth not the practicing heathen who will worship anything. The Jew knows there is no trinity and Jess is not God and it drives them crazy hearing such nonsense

[Wakeup]

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But the Jew taught the gentiles 2 Timothy 1:11 whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Boditharta.

Paul was one jew teaching the gentiles;and the gentiles teaching gentiles and some christians jews.

But at the coming only the christian *saints* will be resurrected; some good christian jews too.

Gentiles will be made spirit first;and the jews brought back in the *flesh* by election will be taught by the gentiles.
The first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,14:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,13:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,13:20) Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,11:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:02) Boditharta. Does it mean that you are disregarding Jesus own statement, that no one can come to the Father but through him? Dont forget that the jews today also pray straight to God, not through Jesus,like you do. All must come through Jesus;what can you loose if it was not true? But consider what you will loose if it is true. wakeup. He was talking to those people it was not a permanenet statement although believing in him is permanent but look: Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Boditharta. I see that you are still disregarding Jesus own words.        **No man can come to the Father but by me**. Paul was mentioning THE ELECTION, Those will be the jews brought back in the flesh by election;by mercy.(back into israel). Because the jews have rejected Jesus,and God has blinded them, we now can know God by the gospels. And can obtain mercy because of the jews unbelieve. And the jews also will obtain mercy through our mercy. Becaus the resurrected saints(the gentiles) will teach the jews the gospels; in the kingdom. So that all will be one. So gentiles will teach Jews? Boditharta. YES; to provoke them to jealousy. This is how God has planned. The gentiles will come in first(spititually),and then the jews,after the second resurrection the jews will be changed into spirit. wakeup. Psalm 2 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. The Jews are Jealous becase they know WHAT THEY WORSHIP an the heathen does not: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. So the practicing Jew knows the truth not the practicing heathen who will worship anything. The Jew knows there is no trinity and Jess is not God and it drives them crazy hearing such nonsense

Boditharta.

Good observation:

QUOTE:
Psalm 2
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.UNQUOTE:

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YES;THE GENTILES WILL BE UNDER JESUS.
HE WILL RULE IN ALL THE EARTH WITH A ROD OF IRON.
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QUOTE:
The Jews are Jealous becase they know WHAT THEY WORSHIP an the heathen does not:
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.UNQUOTE:

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PAUL SPEAKING TO THE GENTILES WHO WORSHIP THEIR IDOL GODS.THEY DONT KNOW WHAT GOD THEY WORSHIP,FOR SOME WORSHIP ALSO THE UNKNOWN GOD. WE; THAT IS HE AND HIS FOLLOWERS KNOW WHAT GOD WE WORSHIP.
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QUOTE:
So the practicing Jew knows the truth not the practicing heathen who will worship anything. The Jew knows there is no trinity and Jess is not God and it drives them crazy hearing such nonsense.UNQUOTE:

——————————————————————PAUL TEACHES THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT.
THE JEWS WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW TESTAMENT. ONLY SOME SMALL NUMBER CONVERTED. TRUE CHRISTIANS SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SUCH AS A TRINITY.
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Wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,15:28)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,13:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,13:20) Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2013,11:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,04:04) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2013,15:02) Boditharta. Does it mean that you are disregarding Jesus own statement, that no one can come to the Father but through him? Dont forget that the jews today also pray straight to God, not through Jesus,like you do. All must come through Jesus;what can you loose if it was not true? But consider what you will loose if it is true. wakeup. He was talking to those people it was not a permanenet statement although believing in him is permanent but look: Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Boditharta. I see that you are still disregarding Jesus own words.        **No man can come to the Father but by me**. Paul was mentioning THE ELECTION, Those will be the jews brought back in the flesh by election;by mercy.(back into israel). Because the jews have rejected Jesus,and God has blinded them, we now can know God by the gospels. And can obtain mercy because of the jews unbelieve. And the jews also will obtain mercy through our mercy. Becaus the resurrected saints(the gentiles) will teach the jews the gospels; in the kingdom. So that all will be one. So gentiles will teach Jews? Boditharta. YES; to provoke them to jealousy. This is how God has planned. The gentiles will come in first(spititually),and then the jews,after the second resurrection the jews will be changed into spirit. wakeup. Psalm 2 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. The Jews are Jealous becase they know WHAT THEY WORSHIP an the heathen does not: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. So the practicing Jew knows the truth not the practicing heathen who will worship anything. The Jew knows there is no trinity and Jess is not God and it drives them crazy hearing such nonsense Boditharta. Good observation: QUOTE: Psalm 2 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— YES;THE GENTILES WILL BE UNDER JESUS. HE WILL RULE IN ALL THE EARTH WITH A ROD OF IRON. —————————————————————— QUOTE: The Jews are Jealous becase they know WHAT THEY WORSHIP an the heathen does not: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.UNQUOTE: —————————————————————— PAUL SPEAKING TO THE GENTILES WHO WORSHIP THEIR IDOL GODS.THEY DONT KNOW WHAT GOD THEY WORSHIP,FOR SOME WORSHIP ALSO THE UNKNOWN GOD. WE; THAT IS HE AND HIS FOLLOWERS KNOW WHAT GOD WE WORSHIP. —————————————————————— QUOTE: So the practicing Jew knows the truth not the practicing heathen who will worship anything. The Jew knows there is no trinity and Jess is not God and it drives them crazy hearing such nonsense.UNQUOTE: ——————————————————————PAUL TEACHES THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT. THE JEWS WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW TESTAMENT. ONLY SOME SMALL NUMBER CONVERTED. TRUE CHRISTIANS SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SUCH AS A TRINITY. —————————————————————– Wakeup.

Once again, we are not far apart! God bless you and Peace be unto you.

[Wakeup]

Boditharta.

I like to encourage you to ask questions.
So far there is none here;all too proud.
Lets not strife for religion,but for truth.

So we can know God and his Son.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23)

Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup.

Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23) Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup. Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice?

Boditharta.

Thank you.

From all his followers; all he wants is obedience to
his teacings,and not to fall away from it.
But then; If a time occurs,that we have to choose to please our selfs,or to please God.
He demmands sacrifice;by denying yourself.

You should love God more than yourself.
If we renounce our own pleasures to please God;
That is a sacrifice accepted.
You should love your God more that yourself.

You shall love the lord your God with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind,and with all your strenght.

This is how we obtain mercy.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2013,18:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23) Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup. Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice? Boditharta. Thank you. From all his followers; all he wants is obedience to his teacings,and not to fall away from it. But then; If a time occurs,that we have to choose to please our selfs,or to please God. He demmands sacrifice;by denying yourself. You should love God more than yourself. If we renounce our own pleasures to please God; That is a sacrifice accepted. You should love your God more that yourself. You shall love the lord your God with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind,and with all your strenght. This is how we obtain mercy. wakeup.

So are you saying that we obtain Mercy when we are obedient and renounce our own will for the will of God?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:12)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2013,18:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23) Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup. Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice? Boditharta. Thank you. From all his followers; all he wants is obedience to his teacings,and not to fall away from it. But then; If a time occurs,that we have to choose to please our selfs,or to please God. He demmands sacrifice;by denying yourself. You should love God more than yourself. If we renounce our own pleasures to please God; That is a sacrifice accepted. You should love your God more that yourself. You shall love the lord your God with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind,and with all your strenght. This is how we obtain mercy. wakeup. So are you saying that we obtain Mercy when we are obedient and renounce our own will for the will of God?

Boditharta.

We ought to be dead in the flesh.
Not easy to do,to just have one desire, to serve God.
The flesh is always agaist the spirit.
The flesh have the desire to do someting unlawful;but the spirit inside says no.

Sometimes the the spirit wants to do something good;but the flesh says no, maybe tomorrow.

God wants us not to touch the unclean thing.
Be ye holy ;for God is holy.
Accept the yoke of Christ,not the yoke of the world.

wakeup.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:12) Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2013,18:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23) Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup. Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice? Boditharta. Thank you. From all his followers; all he wants is obedience to his teacings,and not to fall away from it. But then; If a time occurs,that we have to choose to please our selfs,or to please God. He demmands sacrifice;by denying yourself. You should love God more than yourself. If we renounce our own pleasures to please God; That is a sacrifice accepted. You should love your God more that yourself. You shall love the lord your God with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind,and with all your strenght. This is how we obtain mercy. wakeup. So are you saying that we obtain Mercy when we are obedient and renounce our own will for the will of God? Boditharta. We ought to be dead in the flesh. Not easy to do,to just have one desire, to serve God. The flesh is always agaist the spirit. The flesh have the desire to do someting unlawful;but the spirit inside says no. Sometimes the the spirit wants to do something good;but the flesh says no, maybe tomorrow. God wants us not to touch the unclean thing. Be ye holy ;for God is holy. Accept the yoke of Christ,not the yoke of the world. wakeup. wakeup.

We are not to b dead in th flesh nor did Jesus ever preach such thing.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

We were put here to:

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God wants us to enjoy HIS creation but discipline is not denying or killing the flesh it is using the channels God has already provided.

Joy and sex with your own woman not someone elses or with a man.

Enjoy your own provisions do not tak the provisions of others or falsely accuse others of doing so…etc.

The Blueprint to Absolute JOY in this world and the next comes with the devotion of God. You SIN when you miss the Mark and pervert that blueprint.

Still and all God prefers Mercy over Sacrifice an the knowledge of God more than any burnt offerings.

[terraricca]

bod

you putting everything in doubts and in an uncertainty ,so that you can try to persuade others of your doctrine of Islam with your Koran ,you have shifted the conversation from the Koran to the bible to get back at your own pace within your comfort zone,

but this will not make the Koran the truth of God the creator and father of Christ ,and it will still make Muhammad a false prophet (not a prophet send by the God of Christ and creator of all things )

so you are trying in my view to do what the alchemists try to do with lead that he wanted turn in gold ,

so what ever is your will be yours ,I do not want what is yours ,i want what is mine only .

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2013,05:54)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 13 2013,11:12) Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2013,18:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 12 2013,16:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2013,21:23) Boditharta. I like to encourage you to ask questions. So far there is none here;all too proud. Lets not strife for religion,but for truth. So we can know God and his Son. wakeup. Do you believe that God wants Mercy or Sacrifice? Boditharta. Thank you. From all his followers; all he wants is obedience to his teacings,and not to fall away from it. But then; If a time occurs,that we have to choose to please our selfs,or to please God. He demmands sacrifice;by denying yourself. You should love God more than yourself. If we renounce our own pleasures to please God; That is a sacrifice accepted. You should love your God more that yourself. You shall love the lord your God with all your heart,and with all your soul,and with all your mind,and with all your strenght. This is how we obtain mercy. wakeup. So are you saying that we obtain Mercy when we are obedient and renounce our own will for the will of God? Boditharta. We ought to be dead in the flesh. Not easy to do,to just have one desire, to serve God. The flesh is always agaist the spirit. The flesh have the desire to do someting unlawful;but the spirit inside says no. Sometimes the the spirit wants to do something good;but the flesh says no, maybe tomorrow. God wants us not to touch the unclean thing. Be ye holy ;for God is holy. Accept the yoke of Christ,not the yoke of the world. wakeup. wakeup. We are not to b dead in th flesh nor did Jesus ever preach such thing. John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. We were put here to: Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. God wants us to enjoy HIS creation but discipline is not denying or killing the flesh it is using the channels God has already provided. Joy and sex with your own woman not someone elses or with a man. Enjoy your own provisions do not tak the provisions of others or falsely accuse others of doing so…etc. The Blueprint to Absolute JOY in this world and the next comes with the devotion of God. You SIN when you miss the Mark and pervert that blueprint. Still and all God prefers Mercy over Sacrifice an the knowledge of God more than any burnt offerings.

Boditharta.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.(DEAD IN THE FLESH AND ITS DESIRES;BUT ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT).

1 Timothy 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. (DEAD SPIRITUALLY WHILE ALIVE IN THE FLESH).

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:(DEAD TO THE WORLD,NOT HAVING THE DESIRES OF THE WORLD).

BE YE SEPERATE; DONT GET YOURSLEF YOKED WITH THE SPIRIT OF BABYLON. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,13:19)

bod you putting everything in doubts and in an uncertainty ,so that you can try to persuade others of your doctrine of Islam with your Koran ,you have shifted the conversation from the Koran to the bible to get back at your own pace within your comfort zone, but this will not make the Koran the truth of God the creator and father of Christ ,and it will still make Muhammad a false prophet (not a prophet send by the God of Christ and creator of all things ) so you are trying in my view to do what the alchemists try to do with lead that he wanted turn in gold , so what ever is your will be yours ,I do not want what is yours ,i want what is mine only .

Terra.

The qur'an is claiming to be in the family
by quoting scriptures of the bible.
But after the dna test; it is found that she has a different dna. She is of a different spirit.
She is not of the family.

The reason why she wants to be seen as part of the family is, because she was sent, to corrupt the bloodline.
To corrupt the spirit of the scriptures.

wakeup.

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