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[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go!

Hi BD,

Jesus found to be unblemished by Pilot's words in John 19:4:
“that ye may know that I find no fault in him.” (John 19:4)

So Jesus was a lamb without blemish.

Ed

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go!

Hi Boditharta.

That is a good question,and I appreciate that.
I let Ed answer first.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

The simple answer is meat that is not eaten right away goes bad.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,16:16)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Hi BD, Jesus found to be unblemished by Pilot's words in John 19:4: “that ye may know that I find no fault in him.” (John 19:4) So Jesus was a lamb without blemish. Ed

ED

Jesus was ordered to be beaten(scourged) before crucifixion therefore he would have been bruised after th quote from pilot, right?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go!

Boditharta.

Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies.
He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us.
The spirit we eat, is his words. What is in the Holy bible;
those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh.
Muslems eat mohamads spirit.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,17:57)

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,16:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Hi BD, Jesus found to be unblemished by Pilot's words in John 19:4: “that ye may know that I find no fault in him.” (John 19:4) So Jesus was a lamb without blemish. Ed ED Jesus was ordered to be beaten(scourged) before crucifixion therefore he would have been bruised after th quote from pilot, right?

After he was declared free from blemish, he was bruised for our iniquities. (Isa 53:5)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,18:31)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,17:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,16:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Hi BD, Jesus found to be unblemished by Pilot's words in John 19:4: “that ye may know that I find no fault in him.” (John 19:4) So Jesus was a lamb without blemish. Ed ED Jesus was ordered to be beaten(scourged) before crucifixion therefore he would have been bruised after th quote from pilot, right? After he was declared free from blemish, he was bruised for our iniquities.  (Isa 53:5)

Leviticus 22:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup.

Leviticus 22:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land.

are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

[Ed J]

BD,

Jesus was declared free of blemish.

Ed

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Boditharta.

A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into peaces; cooked and then eaten.

Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word.
The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get.

You understand?

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup.

The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed.

Leviticus 22:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land.

Leviticus 22:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord.

Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

1 Samuel 15:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 But Samuel replied:

“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the Lord?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.

Isaiah 66:2-4

New International Version (NIV)

2 Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.

“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.
3 But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck;
whoever makes a grain offering
is like one who presents pig’s blood,
and whoever burns memorial incense
is like one who worships an idol.
They have chosen their own ways,

Jeremiah 7:22-25

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto thi s day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:

Boditharta.

The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice,
without blemish.
His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb.

What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice.

This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship.

You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God.

God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected.

In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD**
GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF*
THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING.

Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD—
HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT.

THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT.

GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD.

IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS.
THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearken ed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup.

So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,10:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacri fices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup. So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to?

Boditharta.

It was Gods own will to sacrifice his Son.
It was Gods own will to send his Son to earth to teach
the jews for they were all blinded,because of disobedience.
It was Gods own will that his Son be hanged on a cross;die and resurrected,so we can see, how we also will be resurrected, if we follow God as his Son did.
So our worship is not in vain.

We now can see the great reward for worshipping God.
It is worthed to sacrifice our selves, by not following the spirit of this world; but of God.
you will be put in a corner,because you dont belong to them; because you have a different spirit in you.
But this is a small thing compared to the reward we will get.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:44)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,10:56) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremi ah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup. So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to? Boditharta. It was Gods own will to sacrifice his Son. It was Gods own will to send his Son to earth to teach the jews for they were all blinded,because of disobedience. It was Gods own will that his Son be hanged on a cross;die and resurrected,so we can see, how we also will be resurrected, if we follow God as his Son did. So our worship is not in vain. We now can see the great reward for worshipping God. It is worthed to sacrifice our selves, by not following the spirit of this world; but of God. you will be put in a corner,because you dont belong to them; because you have a different spirit in you. But this is a small thing compared to the reward we will get. wakeup.

God does not condone HUMAN SACRIFICE nor did it ever come to his mind

Jeremiah 19:5
they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

Now do you believe that Go just didn't want them offering their children to Baal? Would he have wanted them to offer their children to HIM?

Does God accept HUMAN SACRIFICE?

What's more important does God need anything?

Psalm 50:1
The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: and call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son. These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

Nothing about needing to KILL a SON for SALVATION.

OFFER PRAISE and SUBMIT: NO BLOOD NEEDED or EVEN WANTED

Mercy over SACRIFICE. KNOWLEDGE an OBEDIENCE over OFFERINGS

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:40)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,10:56) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog ’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup. So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to? Boditharta. It was Gods own will to sacrifice his Son. It was Gods own will to send his Son to earth to teach the jews for they were all blinded,because of disobedience. It was Gods own will that his Son be hanged on a cross;die and resurrected,so we can see, how we also will be resurrected, if we follow God as his Son did. So our worship is not in vain. We now can see the great reward for worshipping God. It is worthed to sacrifice our selves, by not following the spirit of this world; but of God. you will be put in a corner,because you dont belong to them; because you have a different spirit in you. But this is a small thing compared to the reward we will get. wakeup. God does not condone HUMAN SACRIFICE nor did it ever come to his mind Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Now do you believe that Go just didn't want them offering their children to Baal? Would he have wanted them to offer their children to HIM? Does God accept HUMAN SACRIFICE? What's more important does God need anything? Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: and call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son. These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. Nothing about needing to KILL a SON for SALVATION. OFFER PRAISE and SUBMIT: NO BLOOD NEEDED or EVEN WANTED Mercy over SACRIFICE. KNOWLEDGE an OBEDIENCE over OFFERINGS

Boditharta.

Great words of psalms.

God does not need anything this is true.

But he gave us his Son ;showing his great love for us.
Can we question God, and say *what for*
can we say; we dont need your gift,we can do without.
We can praise You God,and pray to you.
But God says that all our works are as dirty raggs before him? So what now?

Without Jesus sacrifice;he would be just a story,and soon forgotten by the world. Where would we be in our relationship with God then? Without the new testament;
how can we know how to worship God;since our sacrifices are like dirty raggs before God.

So what road should we take to come to God?
All our works are unclean in Gods sight.
We are lost; all of us are of no hope.

But Jesus was a gift from God to us; now we can come to God,not by our works, but by just accepting his sacrifice,
and follow his teachings. And God will have *mercy*, and sanctify our works,and make it clean.

God does not need us;he can make the stones glorify him.
It is the most important that we accept Gods gift.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,14:10)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:40) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,10:56) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 New International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup. So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to? Boditharta. It was Gods own will to sacrifice his Son. It was Gods own will to send his Son to earth to teach the jews for they were all blinded,because of disobedience. It was Gods own will that his Son be hanged on a cross;die and resurrected,so we can see, how we also will be resurrected, if we follow God as his Son did. So our worship is not in vain. We now can see the great reward for worshipping God. It is worthed to sacrifice our selves, by not following the spirit of this world; but of God. you will be put in a corner,because you dont belong to them; because you have a different spirit in you. But this is a small thing compared to the reward we will get. wakeup. God does not condone HUMAN SACRIFICE nor did it ever come to his mind Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Now do you believe that Go just didn't want them offering their children to Baal? Would he have wanted them to offer their children to HIM? Does God accept HUMAN SACRIFICE? What's more important does God need anything? Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: and call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son. These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. Nothing about needing to KILL a SON for SALVATION. OFFER PRAISE and SUBMIT: NO BLOOD NEEDED or EVEN WANTED Mercy over SACRIFICE. KNOWLEDGE an OBEDIENCE over OFFERINGS Boditharta. Great words of psalms. God does not need anything this is true. But he gave us his Son ;showing his great love for us. Can we question God, and say *what for* can we say; we dont need your gift,we can do without. We can praise You God,and pray to you. But God says that all our works are as dirty raggs before him? So what now? Without Jesus sacrifice;he would be just a story,and soon forgotten by the world. Where would we be in our relationship with God then? Without the new testament; how can we know how to worship God;since our sacrifices are like dirty raggs before God. So what road should we take to come to God? All our works are unclean in Gods sight. We are lost; all of us are of no hope. But Jesus was a gift from God to us; now we can come to God,not by our works, but by just accepting his sacrifice, and follow his teachings. And God will have *mercy*, and sanctify our works,and make it clean. God does not need us;he can make the stones glorify him. It is the most important that we accept Gods gift. wakeup.

Our works are not filthy rags before God the unbelievers works are filthy rags before God. Paul said this with the mind of a sinner before becoming a believer.

Isaiah 64:7

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name,
that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee:
for thou hast hid thy face from us,
and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

When you do not praise God your works are as filthy rags

But when you do praise
God

Ecclesiastes 9:7
Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,14:48)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,14:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:40) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,10:56) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,20:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,19:23) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,15:47) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,12:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,12:25) Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,11:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,11:41) So the people that “sarificed” jesus di it out of love and obedience to God? Hi BD, No, they didn't know what they were doing. “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34) Ed So you point out two things. 1. Jesus is asking forgiveness for these people although you believe it is the greatest thing ever 2. The people are not offering him up to God as a sarifice but condemning him to death. How is it you do not consider a crucifixion f an innocent man an act of MURDER? Jesus was “Martyred” – not murdered. Do you even know the difference? Murder is what islamic suicide bombers do, they are NOT martyr's – but murderers! Ed So the people did not murder Jesus? Did the people offer up a sacrifice to God? Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Was Jesus bruised or Cut before being sacrificed “martyred” Oh yea! You believe this right? Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: Leviticus 7:15-18 King James Version (KJV) 15 And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning. 16 But if the sacrifice of his offering be a vow, or a voluntary offering, it shall be eaten the same day that he offereth his sacrifice: and on the morrow also the remainder of it shall be eaten: 17 But the remainder of the flesh of the sacrifice on the third day shall be burnt with fire. 18 And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. There you go! Boditharta. Jesus was a perfect lamb before he was bruised by his enemies. He is now spirit, and we eat his spirit,so it will be one in us. The spirit we eat, is his words.  What is in the Holy bible; those words are spirit. Not many eat his spirit flesh. Muslems eat mohamads spirit. wakeup. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. are you suppose to “eat” his spirit”? I thought you were to Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Boditharta. A sheep that is sacrificed has its throat cut,and then cut into  peaces; cooked and then eaten. Jesus was bruised,and then killed;and we eat his flesh,but spiritual flesh. His words;for he is the word. The more we eat his flesh, the more we become one with his spirit.The more spiritual knowledge we get. You understand? wakeup. The sheep is not mishandled before it is sacrificed. Leviticus 22:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye shall not offer unto the Lord that which is bruised, or crushed, or broken, or cut; neither shall ye make any offering thereof in your land. Leviticus 22:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 Do not offer to the Lord the blind, [the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place any of these on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 1 Samuel 15:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices    as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice,    and to heed is better than the fat of rams. Isaiah 66:2-4 N ew International Version (NIV) 2 Has not my hand made all these things,    and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor:    those who are humble and contrite in spirit,    and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull    is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb    is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering    is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense    is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, Jeremiah 7:22-25 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 but this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: Boditharta. The fact is that God himself provided a clean sacrifice, without blemish. His enemies did the blemishing.But God gave a perfect Lamb. What you are saying is, that God provided an unclean sacrifice. This; in it self, is blasphemy against the God,that you suppose to worship. You need to study Leviticus closely and not just superficially.Then you can understand the word of God. God did not tell Cain and Abel to sacrifice;but it is their own will to show respect.But cains sacrifice was not clean,therefore rejected. In Leviticus 1:1–**IF** ANY MAN OF YOU BRING AN OFFERING TO THE LORD** GOD GAVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT,*IF* THEY DECIDE TO MAKE AN OFFERING. Leviticus2:1. AND WHEN ANY *WILL* OFFER A MEAT OFFERING TO THE LORD— HERE ALSO THE INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT. THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT SAYING* YOU MUST BRING OFFERINGS;AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. GOD ALSO IS NOT COMPELLED TO GIVE HIS SON FOR A SACRIFICE. BUT IT IS HIS OWN WILL,BECAUSE HE LOVED THE WORLD. AND THEREFORE OPENING THE ONE DOOR TO GOD. IF ONE STUDY THE SCRIPTURES JUST SUPERFICIALLY;ONE CAN GET INTO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. THEREFORE WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH,AND ALL WILL FALL INTO PLACE. wakeup. So who offered Christ Jesus up as a Sacrifice an to whom did they offer him to? Boditharta. It was Gods own will to sacrifice his Son. It was Gods own will to send his Son to earth to teach the jews for they were all blinded,because of disobedience. It was Gods own will that his Son be hanged on a cross;die and resurrected,so we can see, how we also will be resurrected, if we follow God as his Son did. So our worship is not in vain. We now can see the great reward for worshipping God. It is worthed to sacrifice our selves, by not following the spirit of this world; but of God. you will be put in a corner,because you dont belong to them; because you have a different spirit in you. But this is a small thing compared to the reward we will get. wakeup. God does not condone HUMAN SACRIFICE nor did it ever come to his mind Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: Now do you believe that Go just didn't want them offering their children to Baal? Would he have wanted them to offer their children to HIM? Does God accept HUMAN SACRIFICE? What's more important does God need anything? Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah. Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: and call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me. But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son. These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. Nothing about needing to KILL a SON for SALVATION. OFFER PRAISE and SUBMIT: NO BLOOD NEEDED or EVEN WANTED Mercy over SACRIFICE. KNOWLEDGE an OBEDIENCE over OFFERINGS Boditharta. Great words of psalms. God does not need anything this is true. But he gave us his Son ;showing his great love for us. Can we question God, and say *what for* can we say; we dont need your gift,we can do without. We can praise You God,and pray to you. But God says that all our works are as dirty raggs before him? So what now? Without Jesus sacrifice;he would be just a story,and soon forgotten by the world. Where would we be in our relationship with God then? Without the new testament; how can we know how to worship God;since our sacrifices are like dirty raggs before God. So what road should we take to come to God? All our works are unclean in Gods sight. We are lost; all of us are of no hope. But Jesus was a gift from God to us; now we can come to God,not by our works, but by just accepting his sacrifice, and follow his teachings. And God will have *mercy*, and sanctify our works,and make it clean. God does not need us;he can make the stones glorify him. It is the most important that we accept Gods gift. wakeup. Our works are not filthy rags before God the unbelievers works are filthy rags before God. Paul said this with the mind of a sinner before becoming a believer. Isaiah 64:7 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. When you do not praise God your works are as filthy rags But when you do praise God Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

Boditharta.

All our praises are like filthy raggs before God.
Or God would not need to have his son killed.
We can not do without him.

Without his sacifice the world would not know him,
he would be soon just history.
And his teachings would be just as some other wise mans teachings.

psalms 31 is also about Jesus.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Come-on Guys, loose all the psychedelic quotes.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,15:08)

Come-on Guys, loose all the psychedelic quotes.

EDJ.

Our conversations Bd and I, would be over the top for you.

wakeup.

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