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Mikeboll………….I also believe all spirit is from God, no matter how much spirit or how little, it is all given from ONE GOD. God itself is life and it is spirit, and indwells (ALL) creation. Life can not exist without spirit in it, because spirit is its life. You have it right except for the FREE WILL Thing all things operate from spirit in it, and our will are caused by those influences of spirits in us. Nothing “FREE” about it , because we are given freedom to exercise those spirit influenced wills, does not means we ourselves are “FREE” from those influences.
The term “FREE” WILL is an OXYMORON. No such thing exists. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,03:32) all things operate from spirit in it, and our will are caused by those influences of spirits in us. Nothing “FREE” about it , because we are given freedom to exercise those spirit influenced wills, does not means we ourselves are “FREE” from those influences. The term “FREE” WILL is an OXYMORON. No such thing exists. IMO
Hi Gene,I disagree. I think that although our brains and hearts operate by the power source of God's Spirit, that Spirit doesn't always play a part in what we think or choose. Jesus says that out of man's hearts come all sorts of wickedness. I don't think that wickedness is directly from God.
God has in the past influenced man's free will – in the case of Pharoah and in the case of Saul. (Exodus 7:3, 1 Samuel 16:14)
But these have been rare occasions that drastically affected the history of God's people. I don't think our day to day actions are directly influenced by God's will. I think that when we do good, we are rewarded by a feeling of peace and by other ways from God through His Spirit, but it is our choice whether or not we do good in the first place. We we do bad, we are rewarded by feelings of guilt and wrongdoing. But again, it is our initial choice whether we do good or bad. IMO
peace and love,
mikeMikeboll………..That is exactly what most think , But scripture does not support that, The spirit in man is simply His intellect , and it is capable of receiving all kinds of thoughts (spirits) rather clean or unclean, pure or impure right or wrong, we are receptors and recieve spirits (intellects) into us. John said “For (all) that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life are (FROM) the world”> This is what is working in the mind of Man and he recieved this intellect from the world. Man becomes captivated by these and is driven and caused to WILL to do these things He has recieved from the spirit that is working in the world a spirit of disobedience. That is working (IN) the Childern of disobedience. And unless GOD intervenes he will die that way. “For it is not within a man to direct his paths”, His own falsely called (FREE) Wills are far from FREE. Because GOD allows us liberty to exercise those captivated wills in no way means we (HAVE A “FREE” WILL IN US) that is a completely different subject. IMO
peace and love……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,05:11) Because GOD allows us liberty to exercise those captivated wills in no way means we (HAVE A “FREE” WILL IN US) that is a completely different subject. IMO
Hi Gene,Isn't “liberty” a synonym for “free will”?
Mike64
gene like s to box in anyone in his world so that he becomes your master,not the scriptures but his will and views are the ones to be fallowed. how conceded can he be to do that .
Terraricca……….That is exactly what your are doing or you would not have made that statement. Think about it.
Mikeboll………NO it is NOT, we have LIBERTY in this nation to do what we desire as long as it is not against our laws. If i say to my grand sons you can do what ever you WILL to do inside the back yard , they can, because i have given them (liberty) to, but as to what they (WILL) to do is a whole different subject. Because they will do what ever in causing the them to and that has nothing to do with them having a “FREE” WILL (IN) Them at all. They will operate through their captivated Wills, and if I want them to do my will I first have to set them “FREE” From their captive WILLS and then Give them What it takes to (CAUSE) the to do (MY) WILL, Not (THEIR) WILL. ” For God (WORKS) (IN) US (BOTH) to WILL and do of (HIS) good pleasure”. Christ came a led a host of captives captive. We WERE captives of our own WILLS and Jesus led us captive of another WILL, GODS WILL. Think about it Brother, Let the Spirit have it's perfect WORK in US.
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2010,01:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2010,13:42) Hi MB,
That is only opinion and unsubstantiated by scripture.
If we always had the Holy Spirit of life we would all live forever.
There is no suggestion God shared His spirit with Adam or his descendants or any natural living thing.
Hi Nick,You call my “understanding” of Scripture an “opinion that is unsubstantiated by Scripture”.
I repeat that I don't have all the answers. But according to Scripture, God's Spirit was at some point in mankind (Gen. 6:3) And also according to Scripture, when we die, our spirit returns to God:
Quote Ecclesiastes 12:7 NIV
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.Based on Gen 6:3, I understand Gen 2:7 to be talking about God's “spirit”, even though it doesn't explicitly say “spirit”:
Quote Genesis 2:7 NIV
the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.Nick, instead of degrading my understanding, show me based on Scripture that my understanding is flawed, then I will believe, brother.
peace and love,
mike
Hi MB,
Just because our spirit returns to God does not mean it is God's Holy Spirit. Animals have spirits too[eccl 3] -do you say the same about them?Gen6.3 does not help your argument either.
GB,
God indwells all creation?
Really?Seems a bit of a speculative jump from the statement of Paul in Acts 17.24-28
Nick……….YOUR talking about two different things (GOD'S HOLLY (set apart) SPIRIT) and the SPIRIT in MAN. Think about this.
“In Him (GOD) was LIFE; and the LIFE was the LIGHT of MEN”. Nick this light is the intellect in Man. If you understood that (ALL) life Has INTELLECT of SOME KIND IN IT. Rather it is a one celled animal or a man it makes no difference there LIFE came FORM ONE GOD alone. God (IS) the life of His creation. No life exists apart from GOD, He not only creates it he also sustains that life. IMO
GB,
INTELLECT is not written but we have to take your word on this?
No your words are of no real substance while the word of God is truth.Nick………We all share spirit from GOD it was GOD who put the spirit (IN) Man starting with ADAM; and He enlightens all men who come into the world . Why do you think the spirit goes back to him who gave it when we die. You mixing up (holy spirit) with the spirit God gave man. We were not given the (FULLNESS) of GODS Spirit, But recieve it later . We are denied at first (ALL) of his Spirits but we recieve them later as Jesus now has all seven of the Spirits of GOD IN HIM with POWERS. Nick think about this what to you (IS) life, is it not your Mind or intellects, (“SO A MAN THINKS SO HE (IS)”. i THINK THERE FOR i AM, IS A TRUE SAYING. YOU CAN NOT EXIST OUTSIDE OF YOUR MIND. “When a man dies His thoughts Parish, he no longer is aware of anything at all. His Spirit goes back to Him who (GAVE) it. All Spirit comes from GOD even animals do. or how do you think Animals nature came be changed in the thousand year reign of Christ when a Lion well lay with a lamb and a child will lead them. God is in control of (ALL) things through His Spirits. Not even a sparrow can hit the ground and die without GOD taking Note of it. Our GOD is Awesome Nick He is what Life Is in any form it exists, He is ITS LIFE. IMO.
peace and love………………..gene
GB,
Fullness of God's Spirit?We were not given any part of the Spirit of God.
God is the FATHER OF SPIRITS but HIS SPIRIT IS ONEQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2010,06:02) Animals have spirits too[eccl 3] -do you say the same about them?
Hi Nick,Absolutely. Even if you break it down into spirit of life, spirit of love, spirit of joy, spirit of Christ, spirit of man, spirit of animals, etc., it has as it's source God.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,05:52) Mikeboll………NO it is NOT, we have LIBERTY in this nation to do what we desire as long as it is not against our laws. If i say to my grand sons you can do what ever you WILL to do inside the back yard , they can, because i have given them (liberty) to, but as to what they (WILL) to do is a whole different subject.
Hi Gene,Sounds to me like if you give your grandkids “liberty” to do what they will, you gave them “free will”. What they actually will to do in either case, is up to them.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2010,08:23) GB,
Fullness of God's Spirit?We were not given any part of the Spirit of God.
God is the FATHER OF SPIRITS but HIS SPIRIT IS ONE
Hi Nick,Let me turn the tables on your standard remarks:
Nice opinion, but do you have Scripture to back that remark up?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2010,08:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2010,06:02) Animals have spirits too[eccl 3] -do you say the same about them?
Hi Nick,Absolutely. Even if you break it down into spirit of life, spirit of love, spirit of joy, spirit of Christ, spirit of man, spirit of animals, etc., it has as it's source God.
peace and love,
mike
Hi MB,
Nobody questions that the Father of spirits is the source of spirits.
But those spirits are not His Spirit.
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