Is the trinity doctrine anti-christ?

[barley]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2010,02:11)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2010,21:51) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,21:44) Hi T8, Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. Would you “only” apply John 15:27 to “The Apostles”, but apply Mathew 10:39 to us and the Apostles both? Think about making this type of selective applications? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hey Ed, I actually read your post because I didn't see any numbers scattered around to distract me. It started off good, but I honestly do not know what you are talking about now. What was that about me saying something about those 2 scriptures. You have lost me with this. Hi T8, Don't Jeremiah 1:5 and John 15:27 hint of preexistence as well? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

God has foreknowledge.

God was not surprised by Jeremiah being born, He anticipated it and looked forward to it.  Jeremiah was a great man of God who loved and  served God well.

God looked forward to the birth of His son for the same reason.  He had foreknowledge and was the central human figure in God's plan for man's salvation, from the beginning.

barley

[Ed J]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 29 2010,15:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2010,02:11) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2010,21:51) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,21:44) Hi T8, Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. Would you “only” apply John 15:27 to “The Apostles”, but apply Mathew 10:39 to us and the Apostles both? Think about making this type of selective applications? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hey Ed, I actually read your post because I didn't see any numbers scattered around to distract me. It started off good, but I honestly do not know what you are talking about now. What was that about me saying something about those 2 scriptures. You have lost me with this. Hi T8, Don't Jeremiah 1:5 and John 15:27 hint of preexistence as well? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, God has foreknowledge. God was not surprised by Jeremiah being born, He anticipated it and looked forward to it.  Jeremiah was a great man of God who loved and  served God well. God looked forward to the birth of His son for the same reason.  He had foreknowledge and was the central human figure in God's plan for man's salvation, from the beginning. barley

Hi Barley,

God did NOT say: 'I knew what you would be like before I formed thee'?

God said: “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee“!

The word knew is “past tense” NOT 'future tense'!
These are saying two different things; but yet you view them as the same; why?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[barley]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2010,15:55)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,11:40) T8……….So you believe this preexistent being completely wiped out all his past memory and had to learn all over again As a human being , If he existed with divine nature and emptied himself and existed in human nature, then I guess that it would be very possible. But that would be reading too much into it. There doesn't appear to be anything in the gospels that says otherwise and Jesus was after all like us, so it does point to this hypothesis. But do think about the word emptied. If I empty my mind, then I take away my past knowledge and look at something through the eyes of innocence with no pre-knowledge to judge it, thereby rendering any bias as useless. So that could be an indication of what it means to empty yourself.

T8,

Jesus Christ humbled himself.

That is the context.

He always did his Father's will.  He did not do his own will.

Jesus Christ emptied himself of the desire to do his own will.

He submitted himself to do the will of the Father.

He obeyed God, not himself, not his reasonings, not his emotions, not anything, he obeyed God.

Is it any wonder that God highly exalted him?

barley

[barley]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2010,15:48)

Quote (barley @ Aug. 29 2010,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2010,02:11) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2010,21:51) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,21:44) Hi T8, Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. Would you “only” apply John 15:27 to “The Apostles”, but apply Mathew 10:39 to us and the Apostles both? Think about making this type of selective applications? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Hey Ed, I actually read your post because I didn't see any numbers scattered around to distract me. It started off good, but I honestly do not know what you are talking about now. What was that about me saying something about those 2 scriptures. You have lost me with this. Hi T8, Don't Jeremiah 1:5 and John 15:27 hint of preexistence as well? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, God has foreknowledge. God was not surprised by Jeremiah being born, He anticipated it and looked forward to it.  Jeremiah was a great man of God who loved and  served God well. God looked forward to the birth of His son for the same reason.  He had foreknowledge and was the central human figure in God's plan for man's salvation, from the beginning. barley Hi Barley, God did NOT say: 'I knew what you would be like before I formed thee'? God said: “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee“! The word knew is “past tense” NOT 'future tense'! These are saying two different things; but yet you view them as the same; why? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Precisely,  foreknowledge is knowing before hand what the future is.  Since God always had foreknowledge.  We call it foreknowledge.   For God, the past is the same as the present is the same as the future.  He occupies all eternity.

God already knew, He had/has foreknowledge.

Thank you for emphasizing the scriptural truth.

barley

[Ed J]

Hi Barley,

Based on your idea, please explain how Jude 1:6 and Jude 1:12 fits into the big picture.
In specific I want you to explain what 'twice dead' means without preexistent connections.

Jude 1:6-12 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves
over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the
vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed
about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke
thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as
brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the
way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying
of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves
without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth,
without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; (Spirit filled are called “Trees of Righteousness”) (Isaiah 61:3)

Looking forward to your response!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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