Is the kjv translation of luke 10:18 wrong?

[terraricca]

hi georg
our first encounter with Satan is in the garden of Eden Gene;3 'were it refers to as the “snake”this looks like his first action in rebellion against God implicating someone else rather than himself.
in Gen;3;24-describes the action God took to prevent the access to the garden of Eden to men .

what his Satan doing with his time;Job 1;6-7 the next verse shows what he can do and the purpose of his hearth.

was Satan always Satan ? No;in Eze 28;13;says he was created perfect and it confirm that he was the one in the garden of Eden,
in verse 14 shows he was anointed and ordained as a guardian to look after the garden of Eden.
Is title was cherub”
wen did Satan become the Adversary of God,in verse 15 ;it says he was blameless in his ways till wickedness was found in him.

sins Satan means adversary it is obvious that he would be opposed Gods kingdom ,what will in time destroyed him and is demons.

how someone can become like him ? it is by having the same attitude against the kingdom of God and gods will.

Christ has show this in John 8;44 and at is personal encounter and tempted by Satan in Mat;4;7-10-11

in EZE 28;it foretold is cast out from the mountain of God.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.

this happen according to Christ in Joh;12;31
in Mat;8;29 it tells that there time was not yet there,

in Rev ;12;9-13 it shows that the dragon is Satan the original serpent.

in EZE;28;18 it shows is ways of sins.(Satan)

So what is left is to be chained Satan down and send him in to the abyss for 1000 years.

i hope this will help you??

[banana]

terraricca

How do you think that helps me?
I did not ask for any of the things you put down; I did not ask how we can become like Satan; I ask: HOW DID SATAN BECOME SATAN? Was Satan alway a Satan? if not, who was he?
Should be simple enough, it don't even take any scriptures to explain.

Georg

[terraricca]

georg

read i have also answer that question with the scriptures.

it seems you never will be happy to what ever is given so be it .

i can't make you see what the spirit does not give you to see.

[banana]

terraricca

No, you can't answer what you don't understand.
My persistence is not for me, as I have already given the answer; had you read what I have said you would have known it too.
But your claim that only my answers count, shows it is just the opposite.

Georg

[kerwin]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 11 2010,10:55)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2010,17:08) Quote (banana @ Jan. 09 2010,11:50) kerwin 1Jo 3:6   Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.   How does that explain what you claim? Georg If one sins then they can no longer know God and thus fall from heaven.  Or in other words leave heaven as heaven is the kingdom of God. Sin separates an angel from God. I am speaking in spiritual terms as opposed to physical terms. kerwin What YOU claim 1 John 3:6 is saying would contradict a lot of scriptures, I see no point in going into that. Did not Satan sin before creation? was he not allowed to come before God, Job 1:6? that is, not God personally. Sin separates all of us from God, not just angels. Also, heaven is not the kingdom of God. The kingdom “OF GOD”, will be here on earth with Christ ruling it. You see, it is important to pay attention to details. Georg

It does not contradict scripture since there is more than one way of speaking.  Satan fell from heaven spiritually not physically.  He is now an alien in the Kingdom of heaven but he still goes before God like he did in the case of Job.

One can be bound spiritually but not physically.  One whom blasphemy's against the Holy Spirit is bound as they can no longer be forgiven even if they are free to roam physically in heaven and on earth.

When Jesus spoke of Capernaum being taken down to the depths instead of raised to the skies in Matthew 17:24 he was speaking spiritually and not physically.

The Kingdom of God is also called the Kingdom of Heaven in scripture. The two appear synonymous.

[banana]

kerwin

And I thought Nick was bad in bending scriptures, you are a pretzel maker.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2010,19:58)

It does not contradict scripture since there is more than one way of speaking.  Satan fell from heaven spiritually not physically.   He is now an alien in the Kingdom of heaven but he still goes before God like he did in the case of Job. One can be bound spiritually but not physically.  One whom blasphemy's against the Holy Spirit is bound as they can no longer be forgiven even if they are free to roam physically in heaven and on earth. When Jesus spoke of Capernaum being taken down to the depths instead of raised to the skies in Matthew 17:24 he was speaking spiritually and not physically. The Kingdom of God is also called the Kingdom of Heaven in scripture.  The two appear synonymous.

Hi Kerwin,

You sure got it right, brother!

satan's 'title' 'i am'! 'great i am'='lucifer' 'satan's' name!
Psalm 69:8: 'i am' become a stranger unto my brethren,
and an alien unto my mother's children.
Job 19:15: They that dwell in mine house, and my maids,
count me for a stranger: 'i am' an alien in their sight.
Luke 16:24: And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue;
for 'i am' tormented in this flame.

Heb:12:29: For our God(YHVH) is a consuming fire.

1Tm:1:15: This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom 'i am' chief.

God bless you Kerwin!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Pail was a saved sinner and the man in Hades was a sinner but neither were the god of this world.
He has not been thrown to earth yet.

[Ed J]

Hi Everybody,

satan is enemy to all!

Job 41:13: Who can discover the face of his garment?  
or who can come to him(satan) with his double bridle?

Isaiah 33:14: The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. (Isaiah 28:17-20) 
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?  who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isaiah 27:4: Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle?
I would go through them, I would burn them together. Or let him take hold of my strength(YHVH),
that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me. Heb.12:29: For our God is a consuming fire.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

hi
Satan means adversary to God ,this means opposed to God ways ,so if something does not fulfill Gods will it is from the opposition right

it does not mean that good things could not be done in the opposite camp,it is just that it is not for Gods glory,and that s were things are getting more difficult to see by the non spiritual or carnal viewer
true knowledge is required and by that i mean Christ spirit as the over all understanding,

only carnal men live in this world and in this world Satan is the god.

the true Christians do not live in this world because it is a temporary place to them,the permanent is in Christ kingdom,with everlasting live,physically they are on earth but spiritually they are in the spirit living a live in the spirit will of God.

since Satan is a spirit being what did fall down wen he was cast out of heaven ,i believe he was restricted in is space of operation By God,

his influence is seen all over the world but it is Gods will who always will prevail.Just as in Job case.

[Elizabeth]

terraricca

Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 02 2010,01:45)

terraricca Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning? Georg

Hi Georg,

Isa:54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that
bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and “I” have created the waster to destroy.

Isa:40:26: Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things,
that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names
by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Isa:44:26: That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel
of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the
cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
Rev.21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and “I” “will be”=63
his God (YHVH=63), and he shall be my son. “JEHOVAH Son”=117.

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117!

Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
               and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 02 2010,01:45)

terraricca Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning? Georg

Ed

First; I ask terraricca this question.
Second; if you take it on yourself to answer, do it in English. I am not a gambler, and numbers don't mean nothing to me.
You're trying to impress the wrong guy, truth is what impresses me.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 03 2010,16:47)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 02 2010,01:45) terraricca Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning? Georg Ed First; I ask terraricca this question. Second; if you take it on yourself to answer, do it in English. I am not a gambler, and numbers don't mean nothing to me. You're trying to impress the wrong guy, truth is what impresses me. Georg

Hi Georg,

Are you selective to who may answer your questions?
Isn't the reason for asking questions discovery?
Do you only ask questions for controversy?

I believe I have answered your question;
does that present a problem for you?

Ed J

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2010,12:11)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 02 2010,01:45) terraricca Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning? Georg Hi Georg, Isa:54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and “I” have created the waster to destroy. Isa:40:26: Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. Isa:44:26: That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: Rev.21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and “I” “will be”=63 his God (YHVH=63), and he shall be my son. “JEHOVAH Son”=117.                             “YHVH is GOD”=117! Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,                and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17) Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

How does this answer my question?
No “I am” not selective, I welcome any response from any one.
But again, you give me scriptures that have nothing to do with what I ask, and your reason for given me scriptures is, you don't have the answer. I know God created all things through the son, but were in all of this is the answer to my question?
I call that being evasive.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 04 2010,17:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2010,12:11) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 02 2010,01:45) terraricca Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning? Georg Hi Georg, Isa:54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and “I” have created the waster to destroy. Isa:40:26: Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. Isa:44:26: That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: Rev.21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and “I” “will be”=63 his God (YHVH=63), and he shall be my son. “JEHOVAH Son”=117.                             “YHVH is GOD”=117! Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,                and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17) Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed 1) How does this answer my question? 2) No “I am” not selective, I welcome any response from any one. 3) But again, you give me scriptures that have nothing to do with what I ask, 4) and your reason for given me scriptures is, you don't have the answer. 5) I know God created all things through the son, 6) but were in all of this is the answer to my question? 7) I call that being evasive. Georg

Hi Georg,

1) I thought it was an in depth explination.
2) Great.
3) Opinion.
4) YHVH created Lucifer(satan's name); Lucifer is the adversary.
5) YHVH is the Creator(Jesus' Father)!
6) Maybe not all of it.
7) Opinion.

Ed J

[Elizabeth]

Ed

I guess when you can't use numbers, you're lost, aren't you?
This is all you were able to muster up?
I've seen you give three pages of explanation when you use numbers. You give scriptures that have nothing to do with what I ask, and you call it an in depth explanation?
OK, you got #4 correct; but, how did he become Satan?
That was the question I ask terraricca, but since you have chosen to take his place, go ahead and explain to me.

Georg

[terraricca]

georg

i just see your question ,sorry to be so late ,;Did God create the adversary; by that I mean, was Satan a Satan from the beginning?

answer is NO he was not created Satan just like Adam was not created corrupt, they both became corrupt for similar reasons.

they both knew God but rebel against him. they chose to do it ,they ad to make the decision for themselves to go the way they did

[terraricca]

georg
“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
EZE 28:13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
EZE 28:14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
EZE 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
but, how did he become Satan?answer;;“You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.

[terraricca]

georg

EZE 28:16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
EZE 28:17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground

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