Is the kjv translation of luke 10:18 wrong?

[terraricca]

hi KW
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born

look rev 12 tells you about satan organization, 1)satan ,the dragon;in tail the stars) fallen angels;seven head) the world powers and kings;

in rev 20;2 look he takes the dragon ,………….lock him up for 1000years

i think you can understand the rest

[banana]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2010,16:55)

Quote (banana @ Jan. 05 2010,10:11) kerwin Do you really have an interest in understanding the truth? Your questioning is silly and ridiculous. What do you actually believe? Do you think Satan is an imagination? Do you believe there are created spirit beings, we call angels? Do you believe Jesus is the first, the beginning of God's creation? Or are you here just to have fun, pretending? Georg I believe what God states it true.  I also believe their are many false teachers of law and thus false teachings.   I believe that before accepting them as truth one needs to test them against God's nature.  I believe the only way you can test them accurately is if God works through you to do so.

kerwin

How would you go about testing anything that is said, against God's nature? God's nature is spirit.
The only thing you can test against what is said, is against his word; and the way you change the meaning of his word, I don't see how you can do that even?
Before you can test against his word. you first have to believe it.

Georg

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2010,05:14)

hi KW 2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

terraricca

The angels mentioned in 2 Pet. 2:4, and in Jude 6, are not the same angels that followed Satan in his rebellion against God. This group of angels are responsible for the corruption of God's way, Gen. 6:12, they had turned God's creation of man into hybrids. They are the once that are, and have been, locked up. Satan and his devils will be locked up for a thousand years, the time of Christs reign; and then released to test all mankind for one last time.

Georg

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2010,15:12)

hi KW Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born look rev 12 tells you about satan organization, 1)satan ,the dragon;in tail the stars) fallen angels;seven head) the world powers and kings; in rev 20;2 look he takes the dragon ,………….lock him up for 1000years i think you can understand the rest

terraricca

If you want to explain something, follow through with it, don't make others guess what you were trying to say.

Georg

[terraricca]

Georg
what i was saying is that the rest of Revelation regarding the 1000 years and what comes after does not need explanation.

the angels in Genesis where on earth wen Jesus was, he expelled same out of people trapped with them

[banana]

terraricca

I don't even understand this?

Georg

[kerwin]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 06 2010,17:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2010,05:14) hi KW 2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; terraricca The angels mentioned in 2 Pet. 2:4, and in Jude 6, are not the same angels that followed Satan in his rebellion against God. This group of angels are responsible for the corruption of God's way, Gen. 6:12, they had turned God's creation of man into hybrids. They are the once that are, and have been, locked up. Satan and his devils will be locked up for a thousand years, the time of Christs reign; and then released to test all mankind for one last time.   Georg

Where in scripture do you come up with that?

[banana]

kerwin

I gave you the scripture, Gen. 6:12; since you don't believe them anyway, I didn't bother to put them up.
You see, Satan deceived Adam and Eve in the garden; that means, God did not lock him and his devils up. Then, after about eight hundred years, the angels came down and married woman, a different group of angels; they are the once that produced hybrids, half angels, and half humans, giants. God destroyed them all with a flood, and locked up the angels responsible in a prison; that's what Jude and Peter are referring too.

Georg

[kerwin]

George wrote:

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I gave you the scripture, Gen. 6:12; since you don't believe them anyway,

Thank you!

You are correct since your believes make Jesus out to be a liar I choose to believe Jesus instead when he states angels cannot marry or be given in marriage.

In all I find what you state to be speculative with few facts to back it up.

I agree with your assessment that Satan and his angels fell when they committed sin and that happened either previous to or at the same time he chose to tempt Eve in the Garden of Eden.

I do not agree beyond that.

[banana]

kerwin

It seems to me you never look at scripture what they really are saying.

Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Jesus is speaking of the first resurrection, he said they, the saints, will be equal, or like the angels, spirit beings. Angels don't marry, but there were some that gave up their first estate, heaven, and did come down to earth and married woman, and had children by them; you read all about that in Gen. 6.
But as I explained in another post, that occurred about 800 years after creation of man; and those angels are locked up.
What did I say that makes Jesus a liar?

Georg

[kerwin]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 08 2010,17:17)

kerwin It seems to me you never look at scripture what they really are saying. Luk 20:35   But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:   Luk 20:36   Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.   Jesus is speaking of the first resurrection, he said they, the saints, will be equal, or like the angels, spirit beings. Angels don't marry, but there were some that gave up their first estate, heaven, and did come down to earth and married woman, and had children by them; you read all about that in Gen. 6. But as I explained in another post, that occurred about 800 years after creation of man; and those angels are locked up. What did I say that makes Jesus a liar? Georg

As soon as an angel, or anyone else for that matter, sins they leave heaven according to 1 John 3:6.

[banana]

kerwin

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

How does that explain what you claim?

Georg

[kerwin]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 09 2010,11:50)

kerwin 1Jo 3:6   Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.   How does that explain what you claim? Georg

If one sins then they can no longer know God and thus fall from heaven. Or in other words leave heaven as heaven is the kingdom of God.

Sin separates an angel from God.

I am speaking in spiritual terms as opposed to physical terms.

[terraricca]

hi
Satan never tried to over run God ,this he knew he could never do.

Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2010,05:44)

hi Satan never tried to over run God ,this he knew he could never do. Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder

Then who is Satan and where did he come from, and how did he become Satan?

Georg

[terraricca]

hi georg
Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”

You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created

till wickedness was found in you.
Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
Mt 4:7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’’”
Mt 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’”
Mt 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Jn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings
Rev 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth
Rev 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Mt 8:29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
Eze 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.

you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’

Ge 3:24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

this is what i believe read it ,and see

[banana]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2010,17:08)

Quote (banana @ Jan. 09 2010,11:50) kerwin 1Jo 3:6   Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.   How does that explain what you claim? Georg If one sins then they can no longer know God and thus fall from heaven.  Or in other words leave heaven as heaven is the kingdom of God. Sin separates an angel from God. I am speaking in spiritual terms as opposed to physical terms.

kerwin

What YOU claim 1 John 3:6 is saying would contradict a lot of scriptures, I see no point in going into that.
Did not Satan sin before creation? was he not allowed to come before God, Job 1:6? that is, not God personally.
Sin separates all of us from God, not just angels.
Also, heaven is not the kingdom of God. The kingdom “OF GOD”, will be here on earth with Christ ruling it.
You see, it is important to pay attention to details.

Georg

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2010,07:54)

hi georg Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.” You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. Mt 4:7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’’” Mt 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’” Mt 4:11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Jn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings Rev 12:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth Rev 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Mt 8:29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” Eze 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.’ Ge 3:24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” this is what i believe read it ,and see

terraricca

I read once were you accused Nick for not answering you, and explaining your question; ever noticed you're doing the same?

Georg

[terraricca]

hi georg
i try my best to bring you all the scriptures related to what i believe ,it is easier for me to talk than wright ,but reed three to four times ,then ask you the question what do i understand from what i just read.

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2010,17:31)

hi georg i try my best to bring you all the scriptures related to what i believe ,it is easier for me to talk than wright ,but reed three to four times ,then ask you the question what do i understand from what i just read.

I have a Bible; quoting verses does not explain what they mean to you, that is what Nick does; it's an easy way out.

I ask you; how did Satan become Satan?

Georg

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