Is The Earth really going to be destroyed? Understand what the 'rudiments' are!

[Miia]

Do you truly believe that all of Paul’s words were included in the bible? So he never said anything else. Really?

This topic should be finished by now.

[Ed J]

Do you truly believe that all of Paul’s words were included in the bible? So he never said anything else. Really?

Hi Miia,

Nice dodge

The Apostle Peter says the Apostle Paul is speaking of these things in all his epistles (ref. 2Peter 3:15-16)

Yet you cannot find EVEN ONE epistle that agrees with your erroneous idea
that God is going to destroy the works of his own hands.

ha ha ha, yea he talked about it all the time when he was not writing words in the bible.

How silly of me not not realize this.
Of course you are right you know.

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

This topic should be finished by now.

Hi Miia,

Do you now understand what the ‘rudiments’ are?

“Yes”/”No”/”I don’t know”

[Miia]

I doubt that ALL of Paul’s letters are included in scripture. Paul speaks of the return of Christ, (The Day of the Lord), as a future event which was, obviously, what Peter referred to. But you don’t believe that do you?

[Miia]

And it is not “my idea”, it is scripture. And the one “dodging” is you, and has been all along.

[Miia]

Yes I do understand what the rudiments are. “the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!” (2nd Peter 3.10)

the material elements of the universe, the physical atoms of which the world is composed

[Ed J]

Hi Miia,

Do you now understand what the ‘rudiments’ are?

Yes I do understand what the rudiments are.

the material elements of the universe, the physical atoms of which the world is composed

Hi Miia,

Nope, this thread is not over, because you still do not know what the ‘rudiments’ are.
They are called the works of the earth in 2Peter 3:10, and defined as…

an elementary rule,
a rudimentary principle,
something orderly in arrangement

Hey, that definition fits EXACTLY the list of verses that you want me to explain:

something orderly in arrangement, based an elementary rule,
of a rudimentary principle: ‘God is going to destroy the Earth’

That is what is going to get burned up, the erroneous idea that God is
going to destroy the works of his own hands: because it is not happening!

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and
white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness
do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many
as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” (Revelation 3:18-19)

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

Ed, quit dodging.

We were in this thread:

Ed J Unanswered Posts

[Ed J]

Ok. Those two questions are being dealt to in the hotseats.

Now to my second question which you have so far avoided.

Please explain each of the following scriptures IN YOUR OWN WORDS, (exactly how you see them, and what they mean to you).

Do so in one post numbered 1-6 . Thank you.

1. Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away. (Psalm 102.25)

2. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24.35, Mark 13.31, and Luke 21.33)

3. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! (2nd Peter 3.10)

4. For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts. (Malachi 4)

5. In My Father’s house are many dwelling places, if it were not so, I would have told you, for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also. (John 14.2)

6. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4.17)

Again, do so in one post numbered 1-6, and explain exactly how you see them, and what they mean to you without using scripture. Your own words, please.

Hi Miia,

You are so fixated in what you currently believe that you are not
considering anything I have already explained to you in this regard.

Point’s #1 & 2 refer to how Jesus words are permanent
and because of that they will outlast the cosmos.

Point’s #3 & 4 are explained in post #810213

Point #5 is a reference to Pentecost

And point #6 is a different topic

So please stop posting this 6 point rudimentary list over and over
believing that you are somehow proving your erroneous belief
that God is going to destroy the works of his own hands.

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Rudiments:

an elementary rule,
a rudimentary principle,
something orderly in arrangement

something orderly in arrangement, based an elementary rule,
of a rudimentary principle: like ‘God is going to destroy the Earth’

“the earth abideth for ever” (Ecclesiastics 1:4)
“the earth which he hath established forever” (Psalms 78:69)
“the earth, that it should not be removed forever” (Psalms 104:5)

”God is not a man, that he should lie” (Num 23:19)

[Miia]

Ed I have already explained those verses and without twisting scriptures like you do. One thing I have noticed – you and people like you can write wonderful imaginations of your own mind while completely excluding what CHRIST SAID. And when someone like me explains a verse which appears to contradict Christ’s words, you don’t hear the explanation – it goes right over your head.

For the sake of the readers only:

Ed posted these three verses:

“the earth which he hath established forever (olam)” (Psalms 78:69)
“the earth, that it should not be shaken (mot) forever (olam)” (Psalms 104:5)
“one generation passes away and another generation comes but the earth forever (olam) stays” (Ecc 1.4)

*Definition: olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity

“For thus says the LORD of hosts: Yet once more, in a little while, I WILL shake the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry land.” (Haggai 2.6)

So first Psalms says the earth will not be shaken forever, and then the Lord of hosts says He will once more shake the heavens and the earth. Is that a contradiction or not. The word is ‘olam’ which does not mean eternity. Understand it from TIME and from mans point of view. “One generation passes away and another generation comes but the earth forever stays”.

Here are the Hebrew words.

http://biblehub.com/text/psalms/104-5.htm

Ed says ‘the earth will not pass away’. He is a deceiver of the deceived!

“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away” (Revelation)

“According to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth” (Peter)

“See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind” (Isaiah)

“The day of the Lord will come like a thief,and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed” ……………. “the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn” (2 Peter)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Matthew 24.35

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Mark 13.31

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Luke 21.33

That in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matthew 18.16

[Miia]

Anyway wrong thread Ed.

[Ed J]

Ed says ‘the earth will not pass away’. He is a deceiver of the deceived!

Hi Miia, I NEVER SAID THAT! And did I ever tell you before that bearing false witness is a sin?

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account
thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matt 12:36-37

[Ed J]

“the earth, that it should not be removed forever” (Psalms 104:5)

“the earth, that it should not be shaken (mot) forever (olam)” (Psalms 104:5)

Hi Miia,

While your busy ranting away about the possible meanings of olam,
you conveniently turn the translated word “removed” into a different word altogether… ‘shaken’

Here is the definition of Hebrew word that is translated to “Removed”:

מוֹט mot :
be carried, cast, be out of course, be fallen in decay, exceedingly, falling down

You have created a contradiction that really isn’t there.
Because mot is translated to “removed” rather than ‘shaken’

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…and now back to the topic

Both in Haggai 2:6 and in Hebrews 12:26, both verses are
referring to the Rudiments that are going to be burned up.

“you don’t hear the explanation – it goes right over your head” – Miia

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

Ed says ‘the earth will not pass away’. He is a deceiver of the deceived!

Hi Miia, I NEVER SAID THAT! And did I ever tell you before that bearing false witness is a sin?

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account
thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matt 12:36-37

 

Do you believe the verses I quoted in that post: that the earth will pass away with fire, i.e, the literal interpretation of what Peter and Jesus said? Of course you don’t. So how is that bearing false witness against you?

You don’t believe that. You believe only the “rudiments” (works) will burn up.

 

[Miia]

While your busy ranting away about the possible meanings of olam,
you conveniently turn the translated word “removed” into a different word altogether… ‘shaken’

Here is the definition of Hebrew word that is translated to “Removed”:

מוֹט mot :
be carried, cast, be out of course, be fallen in decay, exceedingly, falling down

You have created a contradiction that really isn’t there.
Because mot is translated to “removed” rather than ‘shaken’

Don’t you think the word “olam” and other points are significant? Are you deliberately avoiding those points by focusing on the meaning of “mot”?

Nevertheless, you say that “mot” is translated as removed, not shaken

Strong’s Concordance disagrees with you:

mot: to totter, shake, slip
Original Word: מוֹט
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: mot
Phonetic Spelling: (mote)
Short Definition: shaken

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4131.htm

[Miia]

Anyway, I’m done discussing this. You have your mind set.  Bye thread:)

[Ed J]

Matt 3:7-17: 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Hi Miia,

‘The rudiments’ are going to burn with unquenchable fire

[Ed J]

Hi Miia,

I got a verse that I would like you to explain…

“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:27)

…please explain what this verse means – OK?

Hi Ed.

This sentence is only for…those who trust in Jesus to teach them.

Hi Miia,

I didn’t ask you who this verse applies to, but what does the verse mean?

(remember “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer)

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

“For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather” (Matthew 24:27)

It does NOT mean what some believe, (one looking like a son of man will appear in the heavens and descend upon the earth for all to see). And it does NOT mean what others believe, (every spiritual eye will see, i.e., a new government of Christ will overtake all governments, and the earth will be in the so called millennium).

 

 

 

 

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