Is The Earth really going to be destroyed? Understand what the 'rudiments' are!

[Proclaimer]

By the time the sun expands (if it does) then we may be technically advanced enough to move the planet further out.  Or maybe I have been watching too much sci-fi.

[Proclaimer]

So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

I guess we all know that the planet wasn’t destroyed in the way that many think, but the pre-alluvial world/age was.

[Miia]

I do not no at what point in its expansion our Sun is thought to turn red but I doubt the sun expanding is what would happen as that is foreknown to be the doom of the earth and the expansion of the Sun would be a bigger sign than that of the moon turning color.

If the heat death of the universe threatened to come in the immediate future everyone would run around like chicken little and he band fearful of the coming destruction. They may not know the day or the hour but I doubt that would make much of a difference.

Kerwin, I don’t know much about the sun expanding, but interesting.

 

[Miia]

Miia,

I an doing as well as can be expected since my health is presently stable as far as I can tell as is my life in general.

How are things going with you.

That’s good.

Yes, I am good thank you. But, I do need to finish what I should be doing. Starting tomorrow I will not allow myself to be distracted, (I’ve been reading three forums plus the news, weather and whatever) so will power off my mobile!

[Miia]

By the time the sun expands (if it does) then we may be technically advanced enough to move the planet further out. Or maybe I have been watching too much sci-fi.

Yeah, I think so.

[Miia]

“For you yourselves are fully aware that ‘the day’ of the Lord will come like a ‘thief in the night’.” (1st Thess 5.2)

“But you, brothers and sisters, are not in ‘darkness’ so that this ‘day’ should surprise you ‘like a thief’.” (1st Thess 5.4)

“For as the lightning ‘comes from the east and shines as far as the west’, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. ” (Matt 24.27)

“Then will appear in heaven ‘the sign’ of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn.” (Matt 24.30)

“For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven ……. But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.” (Malachi 4.1)

“Nebuchadnezzar was filled with fury, and the expression of his face was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. ‘He ordered the furnace heated seven times more than it was usually heated’.” (Daniel 3.19)

“Moreover, the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be ‘sevenfold, as the light of seven days’, in the day when the LORD binds up the brokenness of his people, and heals the wounds inflicted by his blow.” (Isaiah 30.26)

“Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished and rose up in haste. He declared to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?” They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.” He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.” …………. And the satraps, the prefects, the governors, and the king’s counselors gathered together and saw that the fire had not had any power over the bodies of those men. The hair of their heads was not singed, their cloaks were not harmed, and no smell of fire had come upon them. Nebuchadnezzar answered and said, “Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel and delivered his servants, who trusted in him.” (Daniel 3.24-27)

[Miia]

Point is that if a Christian denies the words of the God himself and make a claim that Jesus will rule the world from a throne somewhere on the earth at the return are clearly deceptive teachers and are attempting to lead those who are asleep toward a possible future world deceiver.

 

[kerwin]

Miia,

I intend to follow a Jewish based Christianity and the Messianic Age is well known. The “rapture” seems to be a word to describe the idea of ” shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 AV of the KJV) and “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (Matthew 24:40 AV of the KJV)

The “rapture” would serve to gather the people of God together in order to move them to the Messianic kingdom.

[Miia]

I intend to follow a Jewish based Christianity and the Messianic Age is well known………..The “rapture” would serve to gather the people of God together in order to move them to the Messianic kingdom.

Kerwin,
And where exactly do you believe this “messianic age” will be set up?

[Ed J]

So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

I guess we all know that the planet wasn’t destroyed in the way that many think, but the pre-alluvial world/age was.

Thanks T8!

Miia are you paying attention?

_______________
Your brother
in Christ
Ed J

[Ed J]

And no. I don’t follow all of Paul’s epistles either. Some.

Hi Miia,

It seems the Apostle Peter along with most Christians would disagree with you.
.

“Even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them OF THESE THINGS; in which are some
things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2Peter 3:15-16)
.
The Apostle Peter says the Apostle Paul is also speaking in them of these things;
My question is: where does the Apostle Paul say God is going to destroy the Earth?

Ed, wrong thread.

Hi Miia,

Now that my question is posed in the correct thread,
you will no doubt be able to answer my question now, right?
Where does the Apostle Paul say God is going to destroy the Earth?

________________
God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

Nice one Ed! But I’m still waiting for you to answer my questions 🙂

[Miia]

So, Ed……… Just because Paul does not mention (much), it means (to you) that what Jesus and Peter said is not true? So, you prefer Paul (‘s non mention) over Jesus and Peter?

[Miia]

I guess we all know that the planet wasn’t destroyed in the way that many think, but the pre-alluvial world/age was.
Thanks T8!

Miia are you paying attention?

Oh yes. I am paying attention Ed.

So, just because t8 says something that is truth to you? Hmm. Wow.

Do you understand what the words “elements” and “fervent heat” and with “a roar” means? Do you understand when Jesus said that ‘heaven and’ earth will pass away?

[Ed J]

So, Ed……… Just because Paul does not mention (much), it means (to you) that what Jesus and Peter said is not true? So, you prefer Paul (‘s non mention) over Jesus and Peter?

Hi Miia,

You are looking at it backwards. It is instead
YOU who does not believe the Apostle Peters’s words
”As also in *ALL* his epistles, speaking in them OF THESE THINGS”

THESES THINGS: is the very thing YOU are claiming – ‘that God is going to destroy the Earth’
I’m glad that you are at least willing admit that Paul does not mention “THE VERY THING” you are claiming,

OF THESE THINGS: which the Apostle Peter says PAUL SPEAKS OF IN *ALL* HIS EPISTLES:
What things? THINGS that are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and
unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction

_______________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

(1)Oh yes. I am paying attention Ed.

(2)So, just because t8 says something that is truth to you? Hmm. Wow.

(3)Do you understand what the words “elements” and “fervent heat” and with “a roar” means? (4)Do you understand when Jesus said that ‘heaven and’ earth will pass away?

Hi Miia,

1) Good!

2) Is it not truth to you as well?

3) Do you NOT understand that the word “elements” – IT IS NOT:
lead, copper, gold, carbon, oxygen, like your rudimentary knowledge would have you to believe – NO NO NO!

As “I” have listed in the title of the thread:
“Understand what the ‘rudiments’ are!”

an elementary rule,
a rudimentary principle,
something orderly in arrangement

Hey, that definition fits EXACTLY the list of verses that you want me to explain:

something orderly in arrangement, based an elementary rule,
of a rudimentary principle: ‘God is going to destroy the Earth’

4) See next post

_______________
God Bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Nice one Ed! But I’m still waiting for you to answer my questions

Thank you!

(answer to point #4 from last post)

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Eph 6:12)

4) I want you to be “all ears” as “I” explain those verses- that you may grasp what it is to live life in God’s Kingdom.

___________________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou
mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve,
that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent” (Rev 3:18-19)

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame,
and set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear
what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” (Revelation 3:21-22)

The witness Ed

[kerwin]

Ed,

Those two passages are easy enough to understand.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Which two?

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