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Again I ask, please go through each of the below scriptures, and tell me what they each mean to you, without the use of other scripture (I just want your plain understanding in your own words)
(1)Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away. (Pslam 102.25)
(2)Jesus said: “Heaven and earth will pass away” (Matthew 24:35 and Mark 13:31).
(3)But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! (2nd Peter 3.10)
(4)For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts. (Malachi 4)
(5)Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4.17)
(6)In My Father’s house are many dwelling places, if it were not so, I would have told you, for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. (John 14.2)
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Thank you dear Ed.
Hi Miia,
There are 6 different verses here you want me to explain.
I can and will do that for you but it will take me some time.So far I have explained the first verse labeled point #1. …[b](Link)[/b]
So I have answered 1 and that means I have 5 more to go.But I have also asked you three very specific questions,
which you have NOT answered: Posts numbered 804110,
804111 and 804113. Will you please kindly also answer them._______________
God bless
Ed JRegarding Jeremiah 31.35, are you forgetting there is a NEW covenant?
Jeremiah 31.33:
“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Hebrews 8.6:
“But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
For he finds fault with them when he says:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”
Hebrews 9.11:
“But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.”
Israel is now the followers of Christ (the Church) whether Jew or Gentile, and Jerusalem is now Heavenly. “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem”, (Hebrews 12.22).
Hi Miia,
Now you present me with a fourth question to ask you.
Are you suggesting that the “New Covenant” made with Jesus’ blood (presumptuously)
nullifies the promise that God made to the Children of Israel in Jer 31:35-37 – ”Yes” or ”No” ?Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day,
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of Hosts is his name:
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also
shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above
can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast
off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.” (Jer 31:35-37)_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Miia,
Look back at my last post. You do realize God is saying: that cannot happen.
Yet that is precisely what YOU are saying God (presumptuously) *IS* going to do.“If those ordinances depart from before me”
Then here is what follows…
“then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.You are consequently in essence nullifying the whole bible,
because the whole bible is about Israel and their God.I still can’t believe you are unable to see this,
because I can tell by Kerwins remarks that
he is starting to get what I’m saying._______________
Your brother
in Christ
Ed JThere are 6 different verses here you want me to explain.
I can and will do that for you but it will take me some time.So far I have explained the first verse labeled point #1. …(Link)
So I have answered 1 and that means I have 5 more to go.OK. I’ll keep each answer on my desktop!
But I have also asked you three very specific questions,
which you have NOT answered: Posts numbered 804110,
804111 and 804113. Will you please kindly also answer them.I have answered every single one Ed.
Are you suggesting that the “New Covenant” made with Jesus’ blood (presumptuously)
nullifies the promise that God made to the Children of Israel in Jer 31:35-37 – “Yes” or “No” ?Yes and no. Since the new covenant, Israel is now the Church (i.e., the whole world – Jew and Gentile). Read Hebrews chapter 8 and Hebrews chapter 9.
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” (Hebrews 8.13)
Do you see the words obsolete and vanishing away?
You are consequently in essence nullifying the whole bible,
because the whole bible is about Israel and their God.Israel is the Church (JEW AND GENTILE).
Jerusalem is HEAVENLY.Look it up in scripture.
Now please tell me why you posted it?
“Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore because the king’s commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king’s counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.
28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.”
I told you why in my post.
When the day comes (of fire and destruction of the world), all that will remain are God’s elect, (Matthew 24.31). The question may be asked “How will they remain. Will they hide away in some secret bunker, or something?” The answer is ‘no’. God will protect them and spare them wherever in the world they are standing, on that day. Just like the three men in the fiery pit, the fire did not harm them.
The disciples KNEW what would happen and what ‘the day’ which comes burning like an oven was. They knew.
And if you wonder if Jesus is sitting on a throne sometime future somewhere, or even an image coming down from the sky of light, and if everything is still standing, it’s not him.
“So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24.26).
Some say that the elect are the ones who are taken away, while the sinners remain. But, it’s the elect who remain and the sinners are taken away (destroyed).
“For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding oat the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.” (Matthew 24:37-43)
See how Jesus just said the ones who were taken were the sinners?
“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.” (1 Thess 4.16-18)
But I have also asked you three very specific questions,
which you have NOT answered: Posts numbered 804110,
804111 and 804113. Will you please kindly also answer them.I have answered every single one Ed.
No you haven’t!
Here are the three question that YOU NEVER ANSWERED
804110 (Question #1)
Jesus’ spirit is God – “Yes” or “No”?804111 (Question #2)
Are you saying that the Spirit that conceived Jesus in Mary’s womb was Jesus’ spirit – “Yes” or “No”?804113 (Question #3)
When The Apostle Paul says
“there is one spirit”
what does that mean (to you)?Answering “Yes” or “No” questions is a lot easier
than asking someone to explain whole verses
so it should not take you that much time 🙂Are you suggesting that the “New Covenant” made with Jesus’ blood (presumptuously)
nullifies the promise that God made to the Children of Israel in Jer 31:35-37 – “Yes” or “No” ?Yes and no. Since the new covenant, Israel is now the Church (i.e., the whole world – Jew and Gentile). Read Hebrews chapter 8 and Hebrews chapter 9.
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” (Hebrews 8.13)
Do you see the words obsolete and vanishing away?
Hi Miia,
What do you mean “Yes” and “No” ???
The “New Covenant” made with Jesus’ blood either nullifies the specific promise
that God made to the Children of Israel in Jer 31:35-37 or it doesn’t now which is it – “Yes” or “No” ?Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day,
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of Hosts is his name:
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also
shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above
can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast
off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.” (Jer 31:35-37)You are consequently in essence nullifying the whole bible,
because the whole bible is about Israel and their God.Israel is the Church (JEW AND GENTILE).
Jerusalem is HEAVENLY.Look it up in scripture.
Hi Miia,
Of course there is a spiritual aspect as well as a physical aspect to the bible.
Hi Miia,
OK now I got a verse that I would like you to explain…
“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:27)…please explain what this verse means – OK?
804110 (Question #1)
Jesus’ spirit is God – “Yes” or “No”?804111 (Question #2)
Are you saying that the Spirit that conceived Jesus in Mary’s womb was Jesus’ spirit – “Yes” or “No”?804113 (Question #3)
When The Apostle Paul says
“there is one spirit”
what does that mean (to you)?Hi Ed. Ok.
- Can’t answer yes or no. The Spirit of Jesus, (The Spirit of God/ Holy Spirit/ Spirit of Christ) is part of God.
- I’m not saying anything about that. Pass.
- The Spirit that is eternal, and is here now, is the Holy Spirit/ Spirit of Christ/ Spirit of God/ Spirit of Jesus (in scripture).
There!
Now could you answer mine please Ed. Still waiting………..
Hi Miia,
OK now I got a verse that I would like you to explain…
“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:27)…please explain what this verse means – OK?
Hi Ed.
“For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew 24.27) This sentence is only for…those who trust in Jesus to teach them.
“For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.” (Matthew 24.5)
Miia,
You might want to parse through Matthew 24:5 as its words are not as easily understood as you apear to think and so they seem to make both your own and Ed’s point’s depending on the readers point of view.
Hi Kerwin.
I can’t for the same reason the Disciples didn’t.. and only those who do know, would understand..Jesus comes at a time when is least expected. Like a thief in the night.
If I told it simply, then I might take something away from people.
To know when and how the Day of the Lord comes, you need to ask Jesus himself. Meaning, to be ready is to know him, and to be able to ask him trustingly.
I had Adventist friends and they described how before Jesus truly came, an imitation Jesus would come first, meaning a false Jesus ALMOST exactly like our perception of the true Jesus, who would deceive the world into believing he was Christ returned.
This worried me, the more I thought about it. I took this to the Lord in prayer (visualizing an imitation Christ deceiving the world), and asked Him myself “How would I know it is really you?” I received my answer in vision soon afterward, so clear, and it is all evident in scripture, and how much I desire to tell, I feel I can not, because I think it is up to each individual. We either trust in what man might say or we take it to Jesus and ask him himself how we would know.All I can say is what Peter said. God destroyed the first world with a flood…. So, God used a part of his creation to destroy the earth (rain). Likewise, as Peter says, the heavens and the earth (more this time) will be destroyed with fire.. All of scripture regarding That Day, is scriptural evident to me BECAUSE I asked. And Jesus communicate with me then, so I had no DOUBT that he would answer me.
“Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” (Matthew 24.43)
miia,
It is an issue that the solution does not seem necessary to salvation.
The world as we know it will be destroyed by a cleansing fire then a new world will be made though it may be a transformation of that which remains. If it is instead a completely new earth then so be it.
If I wanted to speculate I would say the Sun would become a red giant and so cause the moon to turn to blood. As it expanded it would expand to cover the earth destroying all that of the earth but before that event God will rescue his people from the destruction. Except the rescue it is one of the hypothesis that scientists propose will occur in the future. I am not sure about the moon turning to blood but it seems a reasonable result of the Sun turning to a red giant.
All that matters is that we believe all that God says it true.
Kerwin, I believe it is an issue because if we do not believe what God says, then we are likely to be deceived (and that deception could go anywhere). So, it’s believing and trusting not man or ourselves but God.
Thus says the Lord:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
and makes flesh his strength,
whose heart turns away from the Lord.
He is like a shrub in the desert,
and shall not see any good come.
He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness,
in an uninhabited salt land.“Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord,
whose trust is the Lord.
He is like a tree planted by water,
that sends out its roots by the stream,
and does not fear when heat comes,
for its leaves remain green,
and is not anxious in the year of drought,
for it does not cease to bear fruit.”The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?
“I the Lord search the heart
and test the mind,
to give every man according to his ways,
according to the fruit of his deeds.” (Jeremiah 17)You doing well, Kerwin.
If I wanted to speculate I would say the Sun would become a red giant and so cause the moon to turn to blood. As it expanded it would expand to cover the earth destroying all that of the earth but before that event God will rescue his people from the destruction. Except the rescue it is one of the hypothesis that scientists propose will occur in the future. I am not sure about the moon turning to blood but it seems a reasonable result of the Sun turning to a red giant.
Interesting. But as a side note, the moon turns to blood ‘before’ the day (how long is a day).
“the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Acts 2.21).Miia,
I do not no at what point in its expansion our Sun is thought to turn red but I doubt the sun expanding is what would happen as that is foreknown to be the doom of the earth and the expansion of the Sun would be a bigger sign than that of the moon turning color.
If the heat death of the universe threatened to come in the immediate future everyone would run around like chicken little and he band fearful of the coming destruction. They may not know the day or the hour but I doubt that would make much of a difference.
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