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1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Act 19:2 he said to them, Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed? And they said to him, We did not so much as hear whether the Holy Spirit is.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit even as to us.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with different kinds of miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?
I hope these verses are helpful Kenrch. The Holy Spirit bears witness to the things of God, and can therefore not be God as such, but He is God as is the Father and Jesus. Acts 15:8 says God gave them the Holy Spirit. I think that is an excellent example.
God bless
So here we are… 11 pages of posts and still no-one has been able to show me in Scripture where it says that the Bible is the Word of God.
I know that all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that the Bible contains the words of God. But please please show my WHY everyone insists on calling the Bible the Word of God.
Jesus is the Word (logos) of God. That name belongs to Him alone. The reason it's important is because Scripture will make you a Jesus based believer rather than a Bible based believer.
Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 12 2006,05:20) So here we are… 11 pages of posts and still no-one has been able to show me in Scripture where it says that the Bible is the Word of God. I know that all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that the Bible contains the words of God. But please please show my WHY everyone insists on calling the Bible the Word of God.
Jesus is the Word (logos) of God. That name belongs to Him alone. The reason it's important is because Scripture will make you a Jesus based believer rather than a Bible based believer.
Oxy,I have already told you that the Bible is called the Word of God based upon tradition. Is that not sufficient?
Hi Typrsn, yes thanks, it is sufficient from you. Unfortunately there are others here who still don't understand and in current topics are still calling Scripture the Word of God.
I have enjoyed your participation.
It seems we're both on a similar mission, just different topics..
The Word of God is the greatest title/name ever given out anywhere. As the Word of God Jesus is the Promise of God and also the fulfillment of that Promise. The same can't be said about Scripture even though it is Holy Spirit inspired. It is misleading to call Scripture the Word of God and it takes away from Jesus to do so. It has the further problem of making believers dependant on the Bible instead of dependant on Jesus.
Hi Oxy,
You have yet to prove that all references to the Word of God in scripture refer to Jesus and you have admitted that some do not do so. It is more concerning to me that men would seek spiritual experiences ahead of the ned to prove those experiences by the scriptures.Ps 119v105
“Your word is a (A)lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.”
and2 Peter 1.19f
” 19So we have (A)the prophetic word made more (B)sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to Âa lamp shining in a dark place, until the (D)day dawns and the (E)morning star arises (F)in your hearts.
20But (G)know this first of all, that (H)no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21for (I)no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men (J)moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
We need both the map and the torch to stay safely on the path of truth.
We need to be reborn and abide in and feed on the scriptures awaiting the roising of that morning star.Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 13 2006,04:04) It seems we're both on a similar mission, just different topics.. The Word of God is the greatest title/name ever given out anywhere. As the Word of God Jesus is the Promise of God and also the fulfillment of that Promise. The same can't be said about Scripture even though it is Holy Spirit inspired. It is misleading to call Scripture the Word of God and it takes away from Jesus to do so. It has the further problem of making believers dependant on the Bible instead of dependant on Jesus.
Hi Oxy,We live and depend on every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God, not just by food.
If we live by the Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, we receive Christ. If we don't we don't receive Christ anyway.
I don't know enough about the topic to make those finer divisions but it is my heart's desire to live by that which proceeds out of the mouth of God, whether it be scripture, word or both. After all, I have never seen God or Christ.
Well Nick, I have come to the point of realising that everytone is wrong except you and the few that believe you.
Jesus is the Lamp unto my feet. Always has been over the last 28 years. The Bible tells me 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
But the point is that it is Scripture. The passage above does not mention a lamp or anything similar. Jesus is the Lamp. It is He who directs my path.
Cubes, I feel reluctant to reply to you in the same post, but here we go. The words of God contained in Scripture are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness as pointed out above. But the Word of God (Jesus) who is living directs my path, praise His name.
Hey Oxy,
What is your take on Heb. 1:8 Therefore God (Jesus) your God (Jehovah) has…. and 1Cor. 15:28 Then the Son will turn everything over to the Father that God will be all in all.
Thanks,
Kenrch
Hi Kenrch,
Thanks for your post. I'm not sure where you're coming from with this, but I have no difficulty in accepting Jesus in all His deity. The whole purpose of Jesus coming was to redeem us to the Father, as those Scriptures so clearly point out.
I have a page on my site called Beyond Pentecost which shows the Christian journey as revealed by three feasts, Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles.
Passover introduces Jesus, Pentecost introduces the Holy Spirit and Tabernacles takes us to the Father. This is forther explained on my page http://www.all4god.net/beyond_pentecost.htm
If you have 10 minutes you could look at the PowerPoint presentation I have put together which shows my experience and an awesome insight into the 23rd Psalm, on the same page.
Thanks.
Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 13 2006,04:56) Hi Kenrch, Thanks for your post. I'm not sure where you're coming from with this, but I have no difficulty in accepting Jesus in all His deity. The whole purpose of Jesus coming was to redeem us to the Father, as those Scriptures so clearly point out.
I have a page on my site called Beyond Pentecost which shows the Christian journey as revealed by three feasts, Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles.
Passover introduces Jesus, Pentecost introduces the Holy Spirit and Tabernacles takes us to the Father. This is forther explained on my page http://www.all4god.net/beyond_pentecost.htm
If you have 10 minutes you could look at the PowerPoint presentation I have put together which shows my experience and an awesome insight into the 23rd Psalm, on the same page.
Thanks.
Well Heb. 1:8 says God THY God. Isn't this showing that the Father is Jesus' God? And when it's all over Jesus will give His kingdom (this world) over to the Father that God (Jehovah) will be in all.I was just wondering how you interpret these scriptures?
The Father is Jesus' God, but also His Father (obviously). Of course the Son is subject to the Father. But the Father delights in giving glory to His Son.
Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 13 2006,05:06) The Father is Jesus' God, but also His Father (obviously). Of course the Son is subject to the Father. But the Father delights in giving glory to His Son.
May be I'm wrong but I thought the trinity doctrine states Three equal persons in one.Are you saying:
That they are all equal but the Son and Spirit submit to the Father not because He is greater but because He is the Father. “Honor your Father”
I don't know what some trinity doctines state, but Scripture states very plainly that the Son only does the will of the Father John 5:19. The Holy Spirit was sent from the Father in Jesus name. Jn 14:26
Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 13 2006,05:28) I don't know what some trinity doctines state, but Scripture states very plainly that the Son only does the will of the Father John 5:19. The Holy Spirit was sent from the Father in Jesus name. Jn 14:26
Then the Father is greater than the Son? I know that when two or three gather in Jesus' name HE is in our midst. But it is the Spirit that is in my midst. Does that mean that the Spirit is Jesus?The Spirit reveals Jesus to us. Yes, the Father is greater than the Son, but having said that, the Father has exalted the Son above all. But the whole purpose of the Son coming was to redeem us to the Father. It all sounds a bit confusing, but I worship Jesus as Lord of all and my Saviour. At the same time I have a Father – son relationship with the Father. The Holy Spirit makes both possible.
Hi Oxy,
I have no followers and do not want any.
I want men to follow Jesus.
But I do want men to check their equipment and their maps, align their compasses and to take adequate provisions for the journey ahead.
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