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Quote (Colter @ April 18 2013,10:46) Mary is spot on with the contradiction between the original “good news”, taught and practiced by Jesus long before religion killed him, and the Pagan remix, compromise, distortion, bloody human sacrifice doctrine of the Romans. All around the middle east, from Egypt to the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians and beyond, all these cultures had religions with sacrifice stories wherein a divine being was subject to sacrifice for the the sins of many.
The “good news” of Jesus was that all men and women are the children of a loving and forgiving Father, that salvation is by faith.
People were so glad to be free of the yoke of traditional slavery to the priestly sacrificial system, they were now FREE to have a personal relationship with a Loving God, each under their own vine, each with their own understanding.
Mary is right that the consequence of Roman contamination has Christians needing an innocent man to die for their own sins rather then reconciling themselves to God if need be.
Everything went down hill after the ascension.
Colter
Hi ColterWhy do you think that they (Israeli's) practiced
“The Passover” by killing a Lamb without spot?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ April 18 2013,05:46) Mary is spot on with the contradiction between the original “good news”, taught and practiced by Jesus long before religion killed him, and the Pagan remix, compromise, distortion, bloody human sacrifice doctrine of the Romans. All around the middle east, from Egypt to the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians and beyond, all these cultures had religions with sacrifice stories wherein a divine being was subject to sacrifice for the the sins of many.
The “good news” of Jesus was that all men and women are the children of a loving and forgiving Father, that salvation is by faith.
People were so glad to be free of the yoke of traditional slavery to the priestly sacrificial system, they were now FREE to have a personal relationship with a Loving God, each under their own vine, each with their own understanding.
Mary is right that the consequence of Roman contamination has Christians needing an innocent man to die for their own sins rather then reconciling themselves to God if need be.
Everything went down hill after the ascension.
Colter
Colter,Jesus is not a divine being. The Spirit within him is godly. It is necessary for him to be human as humans are the ones being accused and in need of being helped.
Quote (Ed J @ April 18 2013,13:28) Quote (Colter @ April 18 2013,10:46) Mary is spot on with the contradiction between the original “good news”, taught and practiced by Jesus long before religion killed him, and the Pagan remix, compromise, distortion, bloody human sacrifice doctrine of the Romans. All around the middle east, from Egypt to the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians and beyond, all these cultures had religions with sacrifice stories wherein a divine being was subject to sacrifice for the the sins of many.
The “good news” of Jesus was that all men and women are the children of a loving and forgiving Father, that salvation is by faith.
People were so glad to be free of the yoke of traditional slavery to the priestly sacrificial system, they were now FREE to have a personal relationship with a Loving God, each under their own vine, each with their own understanding.
Mary is right that the consequence of Roman contamination has Christians needing an innocent man to die for their own sins rather then reconciling themselves to God if need be.
Everything went down hill after the ascension.
Colter
Hi ColterWhy do you think that they (Israeli's) practiced
“The Passover” by killing a Lamb without spot?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Isreal was made to follow the Passover by the Roman Empire, an phatasess who made it law, follow or be killed to as a follower Jesus! That is why my words a vague, they destroyed any one that spoke out against the destruction of the long awaited jewish king death.The fact is, they will be disrespected an hated for cutting him off, putting him to silience, an being noticed as being extreme haters.
The gospels designed to need victims, the Romans hated Jesus, the priests spat on him! Their enemy was someone that could take the throne an cut them off from their job agreement with god! Which was to exile the naughty Jewish people, an teach them that they must not leave Moses laws. An with their own a gender at heart, they would miss out on carting the tax money for sacrifice an offerings back to Rome if Moses laws where de throned! An of corse mean an horrible killing for doing a mini sin! Which of corse kept the population numbers well below a decent war!
At this stage colter, stu, an myself, in our different ways show our concern for the way in which Jesus an others where slaughtered in righteousness
Where evil is twisted to resemble good, an heart is searedQuote (Ed J @ April 18 2013,13:28) Quote (Colter @ April 18 2013,10:46) Mary is spot on with the contradiction between the original “good news”, taught and practiced by Jesus long before religion killed him, and the Pagan remix, compromise, distortion, bloody human sacrifice doctrine of the Romans. All around the middle east, from Egypt to the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians and beyond, all these cultures had religions with sacrifice stories wherein a divine being was subject to sacrifice for the the sins of many.
The “good news” of Jesus was that all men and women are the children of a loving and forgiving Father, that salvation is by faith.
People were so glad to be free of the yoke of traditional slavery to the priestly sacrificial system, they were now FREE to have a personal relationship with a Loving God, each under their own vine, each with their own understanding.
Mary is right that the consequence of Roman contamination has Christians needing an innocent man to die for their own sins rather then reconciling themselves to God if need be.
Everything went down hill after the ascension.
Colter
Hi ColterWhy do you think that they (Israeli's) practiced
“The Passover” by killing a Lamb without spot?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Several reasons:* In evolved religions such as Judaism, the “taboos” were numerous but did serve as “a basic unit of the social regulative structure.”
* In the pseudo-biographical narratives of Gods purported dealings with his so called “chosen people”, God put ten plagues on the Egyptians one of which was going around the neighborhood killing the firstborn of the non-chosen people. The “children of Israel” were to put a mark of blood of a slaughtered spring lamb on their door (because presumably an all knowing God could not distinguish the one from the other). So the child killing spirit of the Lord passed over one house but killed the first born in another.
* The last reason was that the cumbersome need to have a suitable clean animal to present for sacrifice in the Temple at Jerusalem became quite an enriching business enterprise for the elite Hebrew priest class. For the million or so pilgrims that descended upon Jerusalem each year a family would need to purchase a clean animal that would pass the inspection of the temple authorities. A profitable currency exchange would also be provided.
Jesus celebrated a bloodless passover and he trounced the entire sordid affair at the Temple!
Colter
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,16:15) Quote (Colter @ April 18 2013,05:46) Mary is spot on with the contradiction between the original “good news”, taught and practiced by Jesus long before religion killed him, and the Pagan remix, compromise, distortion, bloody human sacrifice doctrine of the Romans. All around the middle east, from Egypt to the Greeks, the Romans, the Persians and beyond, all these cultures had religions with sacrifice stories wherein a divine being was subject to sacrifice for the the sins of many.
The “good news” of Jesus was that all men and women are the children of a loving and forgiving Father, that salvation is by faith.
People were so glad to be free of the yoke of traditional slavery to the priestly sacrificial system, they were now FREE to have a personal relationship with a Loving God, each under their own vine, each with their own understanding.
Mary is right that the consequence of Roman contamination has Christians needing an innocent man to die for their own sins rather then reconciling themselves to God if need be.
Everything went down hill after the ascension.
Colter
Colter,Jesus is not a divine being. The Spirit within him is godly. It is necessary for him to be human as humans are the ones being accused and in need of being helped.
Denying the divinity of Christ, as silly as that is, is a straw man, diversionary response to the very fact that God has always been forgiving. No human sacrifice is required, in fact the concept of atonement is itself humanistic; loving forgiveness is divine.Ritualistic sacrifices evolved as a primitive institution as a form of manipulation of the spirit ghost world.
In the religion of Jesus one gets honest about their sins, owns them, accepts forgiveness and in tern forgives the tress passes of others in order to reestablish right relations with God and his faith family.
The salvation of the original gospel is real.
The salvation of belief in sacrifice is largely theoretical
Mary is right, adherents to the human sacrifice doctrines do, in a way, become co-conspirators to a grave injustice, one in which Jesus himself asked God to forgive….”forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.”
Colter
It Is said, That only the soul will return, that the first is done away with an second body is prepared, That ye may finish the work? mentioned by Paul an King David. The Last few words of the old testerment, also add that Isreal return, grow up in the stall, wax strong, an decern between the rightous an the wicked.
The roman empire changed that, that which was the original Kingdom message. Paul questions this, an Notes the earlier scripture in His strive to be totally Faithful to the truth.
The secret is alive, an Rather Loud, if you consider.. some Believed Jesus was perhaps the prepared body from Adam, Having grown up in the Stall to finish his work, But the most painful answer was, Jesus was King David, grown up in the stall to Finish his work. Son of David, The Prepared Body for the start of the Regenerations of the children.
This was a very exciting Faith, an was Loved. the Roman empire Feared it truth. for the 8th King is One of the first 5 Kings…in revlations.
If you so much as denied the Roman empires show with Jesus, as they put him threw the Passover rituals with signs That demanded the theory to obey their will.
bodies are destroyable, the soul is not, you cant see an identify it. If an when the soul returns in a body again, it should be more clever to QUICKEN an finish the work?
If this gospal did not, an dose not reach those past, an you for the valued Investagation, then their is great Danger of many sleeping threw life, An the earth will be full of cunning dogs with out leads, An without the power of Judgement unto Justice in the way that people once believed.
Jesus was the first one that caused People to believe he was sent Back from God, an Had the power to change the statues an Laws for the freedom of all the Living?
Hey Stu, here's one for you. an to all us Nobodies..:) shooking evidience
Quote (Mary @ April 18 2013,15:21) The gospels designed to need victims, the Romans hated Jesus, the priests spat on him! Their enemy was someone that could take the throne an cut them off from their job agreement with god! Which was to exile the naughty Jewish people, an teach them that they must not leave Moses laws. An with their own a gender at heart, they would miss out on carting the tax money for sacrifice an offerings back to Rome if Moses laws where de throned! An of corse mean an horrible killing for doing a mini sin! Which of corse kept the population numbers well below a decent war! At this stage colter, stu, an myself, in our different ways show our concern for the way in which Jesus an others where slaughtered in righteousness
Where evil is twisted to resemble good, an heart is seared
Mary,The Roman's did not hate Jesus even though they treated him harshly. They actually wanted to let him go but pandered to the ignorant Jews that were stirred up by political pundits.
Colter,
Quote In the religion of Jesus one gets honest about their sins, owns them, accepts forgiveness and in tern forgives the tress passes of others in order to reestablish right relations with God and his faith family. You have some of the pieces there but you have a puzzle with key pieces missing.
* You have the broken spirit in the contrite heart
* God promise of sinlessness, which must be believed, is missing.
* The need to believe that promise is missing.
* The result of that belief and striving with faith to obtain the result of being sinless.
1 the believer is credited with sinlessness
2 the believer obtains sinlessness when they are fully mature.
3 the believer is forgiven and obtains life of an indeterminate length.If you truly believe and strive to be loving as God is loving then you will enter a contract with God that will start you towards that goal. That contact Jesus sealed with his blood.
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,00:52) Colter, Quote In the religion of Jesus one gets honest about their sins, owns them, accepts forgiveness and in tern forgives the tress passes of others in order to reestablish right relations with God and his faith family. You have some of the pieces there but you have a puzzle with key pieces missing.
* You have the broken spirit in the contrite heart
* God promise of sinlessness, which must be believed, is missing.
* The need to believe that promise is missing.
* The result of that belief and striving with faith to obtain the result of being sinless.
1 the believer is credited with sinlessness
2 the believer obtains sinlessness when they are fully mature.
3 the believer is forgiven and obtains life of an indeterminate length.If you truly believe and strive to be loving as God is loving then you will enter a contract with God that will start you towards that goal. That contact Jesus sealed with his blood.
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Kerwin,
It's not uncommon for religious people to overcomplicate the simple “good news” of the gospel with legalistic contracts and addendums, doctrines that are foreign to the teachings of Jesus.
You seem to have done that.
Colter
Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,00:32) Quote (Mary @ April 18 2013,15:21) The gospels designed to need victims, the Romans hated Jesus, the priests spat on him! Their enemy was someone that could take the throne an cut them off from their job agreement with god! Which was to exile the naughty Jewish people, an teach them that they must not leave Moses laws. An with their own a gender at heart, they would miss out on carting the tax money for sacrifice an offerings back to Rome if Moses laws where de throned! An of corse mean an horrible killing for doing a mini sin! Which of corse kept the population numbers well below a decent war! At this stage colter, stu, an myself, in our different ways show our concern for the way in which Jesus an others where slaughtered in righteousness
Where evil is twisted to resemble good, an heart is seared
Mary,The Roman's did not hate Jesus even though they treated him harshly. They actually wanted to let him go but pandered to the ignorant Jews that were stirred up by political pundits.
dividing the problem into an equation.The jewish people Had to Nations Judea an Isreal, Judea only wanted a King from their Blood Line. sour grapes.
The Romans didn't want either, they wanted the throne.
Isreal an Judea were warned by observation following previous threats, the that would lose their Land because they would not Join together as Large Nation against the romans to WIN Their Throne Back dispite the Blood Line.
you must read for yourself without being indoctrinated first.
I Have come to the conclusion that we Have not realised how destructive memory learning Can be., The minds of the people today are in terrible mess, every Knowledge is gospals.
Religion, Has prevented the energy of each spirit, by controling an threatening each entry to a after life, according to believing each of the words the Roman empire Has dilivered, Falling under a mere code of Law. Forcing each Soul to come under the Brass foot.
Quote (Mary @ April 19 2013,14:46) Body an Being Mary, that was awesome! Thanks for sharing that.
Quote (2besee @ April 20 2013,12:37) Quote (Mary @ April 19 2013,14:46) Body an Being Mary, that was awesome! Thanks for sharing that.
It was, I hope this young girl enjoys her new life an teaches many of insignifcance.Quote (Colter @ April 19 2013,20:43) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,00:52) Colter, Quote In the religion of Jesus one gets honest about their sins, owns them, accepts forgiveness and in tern forgives the tress passes of others in order to reestablish right relations with God and his faith family. You have some of the pieces there but you have a puzzle with key pieces missing.
* You have the broken spirit in the contrite heart
* God promise of sinlessness, which must be believed, is missing.
* The need to believe that promise is missing.
* The result of that belief and striving with faith to obtain the result of being sinless.
1 the believer is credited with sinlessness
2 the believer obtains sinlessness when they are fully mature.
3 the believer is forgiven and obtains life of an indeterminate length.If you truly believe and strive to be loving as God is loving then you will enter a contract with God that will start you towards that goal. That contact Jesus sealed with his blood.
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Kerwin,
It's not uncommon for religious people to overcomplicate the simple “good news” of the gospel with legalistic contracts and addendums, doctrines that are foreign to the teachings of Jesus.
You seem to have done that.
Colter
Colter,If you do not believe the promise of God's sinlessness then your faith is in vain. Since the woman had faith she would by nature believe the promise of sinlessness.
Many use faith as an excuse continue to follow an evil path. Such act as demons.
Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,09:19) Quote (Colter @ April 19 2013,20:43) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,00:52) Colter, Quote In the religion of Jesus one gets honest about their sins, owns them, accepts forgiveness and in tern forgives the tress passes of others in order to reestablish right relations with God and his faith family. You have some of the pieces there but you have a puzzle with key pieces missing.
* You have the broken spirit in the contrite heart
* God promise of sinlessness, which must be believed, is missing.
* The need to believe that promise is missing.
* The result of that belief and striving with faith to obtain the result of being sinless.
1 the believer is credited with sinlessness
2 the believer obtains sinlessness when they are fully mature.
3 the believer is forgiven and obtains life of an indeterminate length.If you truly believe and strive to be loving as God is loving then you will enter a contract with God that will start you towards that goal. That contact Jesus sealed with his blood.
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Kerwin,
It's not uncommon for religious people to overcomplicate the simple “good news” of the gospel with legalistic contracts and addendums, doctrines that are foreign to the teachings of Jesus.
You seem to have done that.
Colter
Colter,If you do not believe the promise of God's sinlessness then your faith is in vain. Since the woman had faith she would by nature believe the promise of sinlessness.
Many use faith as an excuse continue to follow an evil path. Such act as demons.
Kerwin,Jesus said “go and sin no more.” If you don't want to sin, then don't. Sin is to know the will of God yet choose to do otherwise.
The Persian doctrines of original, inherited sin, confused the Hebrews.
I'm already saved, and when I awake on the mansion worlds I will be required to pick up right where I left off in my spiritual growth. Death adds nothing except the fact of survival.
Colter
Colter,
It is God's job to Judge who is saved and who is not and I am content with that for he is both just and merciful.
The command “go and sin no more” is a loving command but I who live in the flesh am powerless to do it. God and the Anointed Jesus do not leave me powerless to obey that command but instead give power to those who believe God's Word's. That belief is revealed by the action of obeying all Jesus' teachings on obtaining that which teaches sinlessness and being its fruits. Jesus teaches the new covenant, the covenant that was coming but did not arrive until the days of his mortality were done.
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