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Quote (TimothyVI @ April 09 2013,22:03) I think it is interesting that Jesus was the son of God,
and Barabas means son of god.Did this mean that there was no difference?
Tim
That could mean god didn't have the choice.Quote (TimothyVI @ April 09 2013,22:03) I think it is interesting that Jesus was the son of God,
and Barabas means son of god.Did this mean that there was no difference?
Tim
Barabbas
Wiki:“It is derived ultimately from the Aramaic בר-אבא, Bar-abbâ, “son of the father”
Even more fascinating is the realization that Jesus patterned his entire life, from beginning to end, around themes that were already familiar to diverse religions all around middle eastern world, so that when his gospel messengers went out into the world and marketed the story, people were more likely to adopt it, incorporate it into their beliefs.
The Son of man incarnate as a common man, he used simple teachings derived from every day, common place situations. He used the simplicity of nature to collate great concepts that were easily identifiable to all truth seekers.
Had Jesus been an upper class, temple authority with the typical “chosen people” attitude, shackled by the cumbersome laws, obsessed with the traditions of the past, then a Pagan living in Rome would not have much use for a story about that guy crucified.
Colter
Quote (Mary @ April 09 2013,22:36) It is perhaps more obvious that gods in perfection left room beside him for co creators?
Remembering he may not have choice, leaving room for humans to blame him! Such as Adam whom said very little more than, that woman you gave me' she made me do eat!Quote (Mary @ April 09 2013,22:30) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 09 2013,22:03) I think it is interesting that Jesus was the son of God,
and Barabas means son of god.Did this mean that there was no difference?
Tim
That could mean god didn't have the choice.
Or Jesus went willingly, NOT as an act of sacrifice (although it dose seem to satisfy sacrifice minded people) rather, because of his great Love for you Mary. And why? ….because this is a creator brother who not only knows the hardships of life, of loss, of unfairness, of betrayal, of being misunderstood, even by his own household, this is a creator Son who knows death and all of it's fears, pains, doubts and anguish.Maybe Mary, underneath your long battle against the ignorance of some of Jesus' followers, you have missed the point that you have a creator brother who knows all to well your trials and tribulations.
Maybe some of the ironic people who have come into your life is Jesus' way of saying to you that the legacy of Satan's doctrine of doubt “desired to have you, but I would not give you up.”
Colter
2000 years ago I consider, that, people realised god was protecting an leading them as they were lead to believe he was, god was always always against his own people, they were without an smitten, one begins to question the oppressors right to continue! Any why god has given this right. It may be very easy to lose faith after to many beatings. An consistent acussing, just for havering a blood line that was given without choice!
People may be tempered to follow after one that is in reality! That shows some attempt to salvage the condition of in fair treatment for them! It would spare that this being was revealing a greater effort than god himself to the faithless heart!We cannot give gods name away because men falseafied themselves to be his voice, we must still search everywhere for him! An his purpose apart from Jesus
Charity
sigh….
….Nalda now felt greatly ashamed that she had so unthinkingly spoken to Jesus, and she most penitently addressed the Master, saying: “My Lord, I repent of my manner of speaking to you, for I perceive that you are a holy man or maybe a prophet.” And she was just about to seek direct and personal help from the Master when she did what so many have done before and since — dodged the issue of personal salvation by turning to the discussion of theology and philosophy. She quickly turned the conversation from her own needs to a theological controversy. Pointing over to Mount Gerizim, she continued: “Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and yet you would say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship; which, then, is the right place to worship God?”
Colter
Quote (Mary @ April 09 2013,23:05) 2000 years ago I consider, that, people realised god was protecting an leading them as they were lead to believe he was, god was always always against his own people, they were without an smitten, one begins to question the oppressors right to continue! Any why god has given this right. It may be very easy to lose faith after to many beatings. An consistent acussing, just for havering a blood line that was given without choice!
People may be tempered to follow after one that is in reality! That shows some attempt to salvage the condition of in fair treatment for them! It would spare that this being was revealing a greater effort than god himself to the faithless heart!We cannot give gods name away because men falseafied themselves to be his voice, we must still search everywhere for him! An his purpose apart from Jesus
Charity
The Jews wrote their own history in Babylon, being chosen went to their heads. So being in bondage once more was more then they could take, so their bible reflects a gigantic ego trip. It warped them so badly that they still return to Israel today hoping for a Messiah that will never come.Colter
Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,15:58) Quote (Mary @ April 10 2013,15:47) Was that last post meant to refer to me colter?
That was for Nelda
so do you think I might be a Nelda then?Quote (Mary @ April 10 2013,19:17) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,15:58) Quote (Mary @ April 10 2013,15:47) Was that last post meant to refer to me colter?
That was for Nelda
so do you think I might be a Nelda then?
Only in the sense of the emboldened part….”dodged the issue of personal salvation by turning to the discussion of theology and philosophy.”'Ive noticed that in these exchanges. So Moses established strict laws for his band of nomads, idolators and human sacrifices. So the RCC is a very human institution, so John had his own opinions about God and and Jesus, but what about you, right now? God either is or he/she isn't.
Do you have faith Mary?
Colter
These people you Have CHOSEN as your role models are not the only people in the gospal. There are others that don't choose to Rule everything around the few people that cause them a head ach problem. which you feel right now, about me, which Makes you case me around untill you get the upper hand. being the whole concept of, posting behind me, an waiting to catch me! the
tip truck is backed up beside anyone that is differing, an a ship load of possible transgression are dumped on the head in hope of something sticking. they call it politics.I dont think you will find a lake of Faith in me. maybe to much colter.
Quote (Mary @ April 10 2013,21:19) These people you Have CHOSEN as your role models are not the only people in the gospal. There are others that don't choose to Rule everything around the few people that cause them a head ach problem. which you feel right now, about me, which Makes you case me around untill you get the upper hand. being the whole concept of, posting behind me, an waiting to catch me! the
tip truck is backed up beside anyone that is differing, an a ship load of possible transgression are dumped on the head in hope of something sticking. they call it politics.I dont think you will find a lake of Faith in me. maybe to much colter.
Colter you Know my Faith, An you reject it!do you want me Judged for What I believe?
Quote (Mary @ April 10 2013,21:19) These people you Have CHOSEN as your role models are not the only people in the gospal. There are others that don't choose to Rule everything around the few people that cause them a head ach problem. which you feel right now, about me, which Makes you case me around untill you get the upper hand. being the whole concept of, posting behind me, an waiting to catch me! the
tip truck is backed up beside anyone that is differing, an a ship load of possible transgression are dumped on the head in hope of something sticking. they call it politics.I dont think you will find a lake of Faith in me. maybe to much colter.
Jesus is my role model, all the other characters I take with a grain of salt. But then, I realize that you feel many of Jesus words were exaggerated by the first hand accounts as part of a Roman conspiracy. You could be right. But I feel the same about king David, a life exaggerated long after he lived.* Israels Messiah never came, the tiny nation remains on life support from Western Charity's
* Then I look at Christendom? Did they steel the Jews Messiah? No! the light was rejected, it went West, and the RCC may well loose the light itself.
Anyway, I know all to well the suspicious thinking wherein we interpret those who Love us as an enemy seeking control.
won't engage this anymore with you.
Colter
Quote (t8 @ April 08 2013,13:29) Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2013,04:55) T8, What should we do to avoid getting a tile in the same manner Stu obtained his last tile.
Kerwin, people are allowed to teach false doctrines on Heaven Net. That has been happening since the forum started.What you cannot do is break the rules which are spelled out in the top forum. And the Hot Seat requires answers to must answer questions. If a person dodges a question, they get tiled.
That system works well. It is designed to stop people from preaching stuff and refusing to be challenged by questions.
Heaven Net is about checking out things to see if they are so. But some come here to criticise and to promote a belief, but are unwilling to accept good questions. This does nothing for the core mission of checking out all things to see if they are so.
If people leave then that is okay. Heaven Net is not about quantity and advertising. It is about quality discussions.
t8,Thank you!
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