- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Our salvation is not out of ourselves. We do not possess it because we have done this or that in order to acquire it. Consequently, boasting is debarred (Rom.3:27). This is because we are God’s achievement. “For His achievement are we” (Eph.2: 10a). We are saved because we are God’s achievement. It is just that simple and this is fully the truth.
The word “achievement,” is poiˆma (DO-effect). We are the product of God’s doings. It is only unbelief that will seek to modify this or to explain it away. This unbelief is due to the deceptive influences of the worldly philosophy known as free will. We do not care for the fact that we ourselves, who effect much evil and some good, are the product of God’s own doings.
God, however, is able to operate in us, to will and to work for the sake of His delight (Phil.2:13), so that we think of these matters continually, and in a profitable and uplifting way. As those who are God’s achievement, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, ones which God Himself prepared beforehand, there is no possibility but that we should be walking in them. Indeed, since the subjunctive, “should,” in this case, points us only to God, the good works to which it refers are just as certain to be accomplished as would be the case had the indicative “shall” been used instead.
May God grant us a foretaste of the superabundant and transcendent good works of the future in a measure of good works even now, even if the best of these should be totally eclipsed when compared to our labors to come, during the oncoming eons, when we are conformed to the image of God’s Son and seated together among the celestials (Rom.8:29; Eph.2:6).
“Lest anyone should be boasting”—lest we ourselves should artfully contrive some way to look to and lean upon the flesh—we would glory only in God and in His Christ. We are saved in grace through faith, faith being an assumption, based upon God’s own word, concerning what is already true prior to and apart from our conviction in it. “For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them” (Eph.2:10).
Any other opinions?Blessings
chosenone By Faith in Christ we are made perfect. Not of our self lest anyone should boast. It is ironic that you are posting this. I am currently working on a new topic about the two covenant. I am a slow typist because I have Arthritis in my Hands, so it is going to take awhile before I can Post it. You are right. Paul says Eternal Life is a free gift of God, through Faith in Christ Jesus.
Mrs.IM4TruthDear Chosen One; We have salvation in Christ by grace without a bargained for exchange of our personal works. Christ paid the cost of our redemption for us. When Christ returns, the issue will not be grace, but how we have allowed the grace to work in our lives and to produce works of righteousness. There are four words spoken to every one of the seven churches in Revelation “I know thy works”. Christ also said that the world would see your works and God would be glorified thereby. We're not just spiritual puppets, we have a responsibility to labor according to the grace given to us.
Mr. Steve
Hi CO,
God indeed gives the grace of repentance.Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.2 Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;We need it.
Dear CO;
God grants grace for repentance. But remember, just because a person has not repented does not necessarily mean that God has not granted the grace to repent, they may have rejected his grace. This was a major error in calvanism they failed to realize, God does not abolish our free will when he draws us to him.
Mr. Steve
Quote (chosenone @ July 16 2007,17:51) Our salvation is not out of ourselves. We do not possess it because we have done this or that in order to acquire it. Consequently, boasting is debarred (Rom.3:27). This is because we are God’s achievement. “For His achievement are we” (Eph.2: 10a). We are saved because we are God’s achievement. It is just that simple and this is fully the truth.
The word “achievement,” is poiˆma (DO-effect). We are the product of God’s doings. It is only unbelief that will seek to modify this or to explain it away. This unbelief is due to the deceptive influences of the worldly philosophy known as free will. We do not care for the fact that we ourselves, who effect much evil and some good, are the product of God’s own doings.
God, however, is able to operate in us, to will and to work for the sake of His delight (Phil.2:13), so that we think of these matters continually, and in a profitable and uplifting way. As those who are God’s achievement, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, ones which God Himself prepared beforehand, there is no possibility but that we should be walking in them. Indeed, since the subjunctive, “should,” in this case, points us only to God, the good works to which it refers are just as certain to be accomplished as would be the case had the indicative “shall” been used instead.
May God grant us a foretaste of the superabundant and transcendent good works of the future in a measure of good works even now, even if the best of these should be totally eclipsed when compared to our labors to come, during the oncoming eons, when we are conformed to the image of God’s Son and seated together among the celestials (Rom.8:29; Eph.2:6).
“Lest anyone should be boasting”—lest we ourselves should artfully contrive some way to look to and lean upon the flesh—we would glory only in God and in His Christ. We are saved in grace through faith, faith being an assumption, based upon God’s own word, concerning what is already true prior to and apart from our conviction in it. “For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them” (Eph.2:10).
Any other opinions?Blessings
HE must increase while WE decrease.Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Rom 8:12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 17 2007,09:28) Dear CO; God grants grace for repentance. But remember, just because a person has not repented does not necessarily mean that God has not granted the grace to repent, they may have rejected his grace. This was a major error in calvanism they failed to realize, God does not abolish our free will when he draws us to him.
Mr. Steve
Hi Mr. Steve.
Repentance was for the Jews, still under the “Old Covenant” and the law. We have no need to repent, Christ Jesus died for our sins, (the wages of sin is death), we have 'died with Him', our penalty paid by Him, for us. God sees our sins no more. To say that we must repent of our sins, is likened to rejecting Jesus' sacrifice as not sufficient!
We are not under the “law”, but under the covenant of “Grace”.
See Acts.20:21
Repentance had its place in Paul's preaching while he was proclaiming the kingdom. It was associated with pardon. Henceforth he no longer preaches these, but justification and conciliation by faith alone, as is set forth in his epistles to the Romans, Corinthians, and Galatians, which were written not long before this last meeting with the Ephesian elders. The call to repentance is most frequently made to the covenant people, and usually for the purpose of averting impending judgment.
Read all of Acts 20 for Pauls ministry to the Jews, it was for only a short while, he then left for the 'nations'.Blessings.
Hi CO,
Funny thing but Paul preached the same thing to the nations, the gentiles in Athens in Acts 17.“..God is declaring to men, that ALL MEN EVERYWHERE should repent..”
Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 17 2007,09:28) Dear CO; God grants grace for repentance. But remember, just because a person has not repented does not necessarily mean that God has not granted the grace to repent, they may have rejected his grace. This was a major error in calvanism they failed to realize, God does not abolish our free will when he draws us to him.
Mr. Steve
Hi Mr. Steve.Adding to the post I sent you, another scripture in Acts.17:30
30 “Indeed, then, condoning the times of ignorance, God is now charging mankind that all everywhere are to repent,Some using this to say Paul preached repentance, neglect the first part of this sentence, which says; “Indeed, then, CONDONING THE TIMES OF IGNORANCE”. Very easy to do when trying to teach error, and confuse the meaning of scripture, we must read scripture in the context it is given. Any one can pick out a part of a sentence, and claim a different meaning. Paul preached this to CONDONE their ignorance of this statement. It wasn't until Acts.13:46 that Paul turned to the “Nations”. (gentiles)
Rev.20:19 And if ever anyone should be eliminating from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall be eliminating his part from the log of life, and out of the holy city, that is written in this scroll.Blessings.
Aha CO,
Special glasses needed to maintain the false doctrine.
So TIMES of ignorance refers to the previous moment when they spoke?
Hmmm.ACTUALLY GOD IS BRINGING ALL MEN WHO ARE WILLING AND REPENTANT IN THROUGH THE SAME GATE OF CHRIST
Hi CO,
So the new gospel of Paul was preached from Acts 13 onwards and yet Acts 17 is not relevant?
Paul, who wrote Gal 1, would be aghast at your teaching that he brought another gospel.is paul your god? who is your god? 1 john 2 : 3-7 not to repent is that a joke?by this we know that we know him,if we keep his commandments, he that says, i know him,and dosent keep his commandments,is a liar,and the thruth is not in him ,walk as he walked for he kept all the commandments of god, just not mens,so beware twisting gods words to to your likeing,for teachings to ichy ears, repent for the kingdom of god is at hand,seek him and enter in
Quote (michaels @ July 19 2007,15:53) is paul your god? who is your god? 1 john 2 : 3-7 not to repent is that a joke?by this we know that we know him,if we keep his commandments, he that says, i know him,and dosent keep his commandments,is a liar,and the thruth is not in him ,walk as he walked for he kept all the commandments of god, just not mens,so beware twisting gods words to to your likeing,for teachings to ichy ears, repent for the kingdom of god is at hand,seek him and enter in
Hi michael, Thanks for your reply. You quote 1.John 2:3-7 as an example that we need to 'repent'. The four gospels, and 1 & 2 John are to the “Jews” while still under the 'law' and the 'Old Covenant'. Matt.15:24 “I was not commisioned except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. I ask you this question, “what are you saying we should be repenting of” ? Is it of “sin”, or something else. Also what “commandments of God” are you refering to? Name these commandments, I would be pleased to know them. I am anxiously waiting for your reply to these questions.Blessings.
Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,17:28) Seems we have some gnostics among us…
Seems like we have a lot of “judgemental” opinions. Never any copy of quote you feel is “Gnostic”, or “anti-semetic”, just accusations without proof. Do not assume that a difference of opinion to yours is false!
“Do not bear false witness”, you should mind this command.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ July 21 2007,23:54) Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,17:28) Seems we have some gnostics among us…
Seems like we have a lot of “judgemental” opinions. Never any copy of quote you feel is “Gnostic”, or “anti-semetic”, just accusations without proof. Do not assume that a difference of opinion to yours is false!
“Do not bear false witness”, you should mind this command.Blessings.
CO,
Did I put your name in this post? No? Then why do you feel I am addressing you?Bearing false witness falls under the 10 Commandments. Since you say we do not live under the Law, this should not be an issue, right?
Please refrain from using the words “bear false witness” from this point on. You do not live under the Law so you can not accuse others either.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
