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**BEFORE** THE BEGINNING, AND **AFTER** THE BEGINNING. TWO TIME PERIODS.
DONT JUST READ,BUT CONCENTRATE FULLY.
DONT RUSH IN TO REFUTE,TO DEFEND LOVED DOCTRINE.
LOVE THE TRUTH INSTEAD.PRIDE IS A GREAT STUMBLING BLOCK.LUCIFER WAS A VERY PROUD CHERUB.1. Is Jesus more than just a holy man? Yes, He is more:
He was with God from the **beginning**.
He is the *spirit* in God's Words.**In the beginning**.
He was GIVEN a form: **In the beginning**.He was in God with *NO* form:**BEFORE** the
beginning.
He was in God:**BEFORE** the beginning.
God has not spoken: **BEFORE** the beginning
Nothing was created: **BEFORE** the beginning.
There was only God: **BEFORE** the beginning.The Word *WAS* God; IN GOD: **BEFORE** the
beginning. God has not spoken.
The Word was *WITH* God *IN* in the beginning.2. God's power in creating *IS IN* His Words.
His Word created all things,by His power.
God is almighty: His Word is almighty.
His right hand is almighty.
His spirit is almighty.
His breath is almighty.
His will is almighty.
His wisdom is almighty.
All of God is almighty.
There is no part in God that is *NOT* almighty.
All in God is almighty.VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND:
3. The holy bible we are reading, is the Word of God.TRUE.
4. The *SPIRIT* in those Words we read,
**IS THE *FLESH OF* CHRIST**.
TRUE. JOHN 6:48–58.We take in the spirit of those Words by reading; we are
feeding on that spirit.The more we are fed the more we
become Christ like.5.There is *NO OTHER* creature/angel/man created to
carry the Word of God.
For there is no other beside God.
6. God and His Word are ONE.
7. God is God is Spirit; His Word remains His Word;His Holy
Spirit remains His Holy Spirit;His love remains His love;
His mercy remains His mercy.8. THE MAN JESUS FLESH IS FLESH.
THE RESURRECTED JESUS FLESH IS SPIRIT.
THE SPIRIT OF THOSE WORDS WE ARE READING IS
SPIRIT. IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES US EVERLASTING
LIFE. The (written) words that I speak to you; they are life.wakeup.
Wakeup,
please explain what happened to Jesus body if you believe his body no longer exists?What was resurrected
Jesus spirit never died because it impossible for his spirit nature to die, THE Son is FROM and OF his Fathers substance. Or do you believe Jesus spirit died at the same time as his body died?ALSO Please reconcile this!
Luke 24:38
He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds?Luke 24:39
New International Version
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”Luke 24:39
English Standard Version
See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”John 20:27
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”Wakeup, Stop doubting and start believing in *the* Son, for those he sets free are free indeed.
Life in *THE* Son and in his beautiful name
DanielWakeup,
It doesn't appear that you reject the *Word* as being Almighty in nature.I think I may have misunderstood you so sorry about that.
I would be interested in you answering the questions that I asked because it appears you believe like some others here that Jesus only has a spirit (with no human body of flesh). The JWs believe this also.
Blessings
Daniel4.Thomas.
You obviously believe that Jesus was resurrected in
a glorified flesh body. And so shall we.
I went through all that months ago.The reason why Jesus appeared to them in flesh,
is to show himself, and his wounds.
To give them confirmation that it was HIM,Jesus crucified.
That it is not a dream or vision only.Men can not see spirit.
No point to show them in spirit form.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit ***is spirit***.
DONT WATER THIS DOWN FOR DOCTRINE SAKE.
JESUS WAS BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT.
HE IS SPIRIT.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;
***for we shall see him as he is***.
NO ONE HAS SEEN HIM AS HE IS.
THE APOSTLES DID NOT SEE HIM AS HE IS.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2014,15:03) Hi WU,
We have only one verse that speaks of Lucifer.
You cannot build too high on that foundation
Nick.True; but multiple times named by his NEW name.
Satan is his NEW name.He is not the light bearer ANYMORE.
He is the prince of darkness.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2014,09:37) Hi WU,
Torn and damaged flesh is not spirit.
Jesus showed his wounds
Nick.The time will come;when we will see Him **as He is**.
One thing is for sure. We will not see a smashed;crushed, beaten,broken down body.But we will see light, with life of its own.
wakeup.
Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 18 2014,16:22) Wakeup,
It doesn't appear that you reject the *Word* as being Almighty in nature.I think I may have misunderstood you so sorry about that.
I would be interested in you answering the questions that I asked because it appears you believe like some others here that Jesus only has a spirit (with no human body of flesh). The JWs believe this also.
Blessings
Daniel
4Thomas.When reading my post.
Focus on *BEFORE* all creation, AND ***IN THE BEGINNING;AT CREATION DAY***.The beginning of creation
of all things.At the coming;the living will be changed in a wink of an eye.
FROM FLESH INTO SPIRIT.If you are born of the spirit; you are spirit,with a form,with a position,with a job,with a personality. Micha'el has his own personality,and a job.
Gabri'el also,and all the angels;each have a job to do.Jesus said: you will be as the angels.
Unless you believe angels are also flesh??Jesus was dead and buried, his flesh was changed in a wink of an eye.In Him is life.He shines as the morning star.
He will not appear as a man torn to pieces.Jw's believe, we will be in the flesh in paradise for ever and ever,making little bambinos.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 18 2014,17:12) Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 18 2014,16:22) Wakeup,
It doesn't appear that you reject the *Word* as being Almighty in nature.I think I may have misunderstood you so sorry about that.
I would be interested in you answering the questions that I asked because it appears you believe like some others here that Jesus only has a spirit (with no human body of flesh). The JWs believe this also.
Blessings
Daniel
4Thomas.When reading my post.
Focus on *BEFORE* all creation, AND ***IN THE BEGINNING;AT CREATION DAY***.The beginning of creation
of all things.At the coming;the living will be changed in a wink of an eye.
FROM FLESH INTO SPIRIT.If you are born of the spirit; you are spirit,with a form,with a position,with a job,with a personality. Micha'el has his own personality,and a job.
Gabri'el also,and all the angels;each have a job to do.Jesus said: you will be as the angels.
Unless you believe angels are also flesh??Jesus was dead and buried, his flesh was changed in a wink of an eye.In Him is life.He shines as the morning star.
He will not appear as a man torn to pieces.Jw's believe, we will be in the flesh in paradise for ever and ever,making little bambinos.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
i believe in the resurrection of the flesh.it is explicitly clear that as **whole** people we have a spirit, a body and a soul.
I believe we always will have a body soul and spirit.
The Soul is one self [the decision maker]
E.g The spirit may want to fast or give money to a very worthy cause but the flesh may want to fulfill its needs with that new spa.Try fasting for a friend or someone on here who you care about and after a while you will see that you are indeed Wholly made up of spirit soul and body.
We need to make all three Holy and blameless.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
New International Version
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.New Living Translation
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.English Standard Version
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.I personally don't believe that God made us Body, spirit and soul just to destroy all except the spirit.
I do think that the those who follow the demon spirits will have their body and soul destroyed leaving them with just a spirit among the evil spirits who will be tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire.
Daniel
4Thomas.
Are you saying that Jesus was resurrected in the flesh?
So called glorified flesh? This is not in scripture.
This twist is made to force it into the big picture.Is He not made so much better than the angels?
Are angels not spirit creatures with a body?
How then, can Jesus be of the flesh?
Making him less than the angels.First the terrestrial(flesh).
Then the celestial(spirit),not glorified flesh.
When you are born of the spirit; you are spirit.John3.
NOT glorified flesh. But quickened.The flesh profited nothing.
It is the spirit that quickens.
The spirit does not turn back to flesh.wakeup.
4Thimas.
The flesh turns to the earth.
From dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The serpent said: no, you shall not surely die.
Meaning: you will still live in the flesh.
Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom.
The twist: yes but it's not just flesh;but glorified flesh.Jesus body never turned to dust,because His father wont let Him see corruption; but many man's flesh have turned to dust.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2014,18:19) Hi WU,
Jesus was raised in the flesh body. He proved that to his brothers.
But not to you?
Nick.You are looking through a dark glass.
When we are changed, we will SEE HIM AS HE IS;His eyes as burning flames;His feet as burning brass; His voice as many waters.
This was not what the apostles saw.
wakeup.
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