Is God two spirits?

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  • #281059
    Ed J
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    Is God really “two” spirits???   …discussing what “JW's” are now teaching.

    This post will start our discussion, which was [taken from here].

    Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:23)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,08:54)

    Hi David,

    Are you suggesting that besides YHVH being “Spirit”, he
    also possesses a different “spirit” called the HolySpirit?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Yes!

    This is precisely what I am suggesting:

    1.  “god is (a) spirit…”

    And:

    2.  God has something called his holy spirit.  It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1


    Hi David,

    I don't believe this is biblical,
    I will start a new thread so we
    can discuss this matter more fully.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #281064
    942767
    Participant

    Hi:

    The Holy Spirit is the “life that God lives”. The person is defined by the life that He lives, and so, God states:

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    Lev 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God [am] holy.

    And the scripture states that God is a Spirit. This means the same thing. Jesus said: “he who has seen me has seen the Father”.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #281066
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    The word was with God and was God in the beginning.
    Drawn from God as an image the Word became one with Jesus and as the Word was of God joined him to God too in the one Spirit.

    One Spirit.

    #281123
    Ed J
    Participant

    David?

    #281169
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,14:06)
    Hi 94,
    The word was with God and was God in the beginning.
    Drawn from God as an image the Word became one with Jesus and as the Word was of God joined him to God too in the one Spirit.

    One Spirit.


    Hi Nick:

    Once again, the Word is that which God has spoken. In John 1 this Word refers to what God will do for humanity by giving us His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. It was God's plan to to this from the beginning of creation. And so, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God. (God is love) And so, yes the Word was God.

    Jesus was obeying God when he said: “He who has seen me has seen the Father”.

    This is God:

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    Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #281170
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    Plan?
    Jesus Christ was a plan?

    #281175
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,03:59)
    Hi 94,
    Plan?
    Jesus Christ was a plan?


    Hi Nick:

    The plan of God was concieve a Son in the womb of the virgin Mary and to redeem humanity to Himself through him.

    Jesus was foreodained.

    When Jesus was age 30, he was indwelt by the Father through His Spirit, and he spoke to humanity through him, and Jesus obeyed what was spoken to humanity through him even unto death on the cross. It is through his obedience to God's Word that we have seen the Father.

    In John 6, Jesus says it is the Father that gives us the bread of heaven.

    In Genesis God says “let us make man in our image” in the image of God created he him…” In 1 Co. 15, the first Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.”

    Even you or I in our youth could plan to have a child, but we would sow seed hoping that this would work out according to our plan, and so this may be “hit or miss”, but God knew that a presise point in time, he would conceive a Son in the womb of the virgin Mary.

    Does this not seem like a plan to you?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #281176
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    1 John 2:24
    As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

    #281177
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    But Jesus Christ was not a plan.

    #281189
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,04:24)
    Hi 94,
    But Jesus Christ was not a plan.


    Jesus Christ is a person.

    #281196
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    Jesus Christ is the Word who was with God and was God made flesh

    #281203
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,06:41)
    Hi 94,
    Jesus Christ is the Word who was with God and was God made flesh


    No, Nick not the way that I understand it. The Logos is what God has spoken, it pertains to Jesus. The Word that God spoke pertaining to him became a reality or flesh in John 1:14.

    He obeyed the Word that God spoke to humanity through him, and so, his name called the Word of God(Rev 19). He watches over this Word to perform it.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #281218
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    So you say

    #281414
    david
    Participant

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    Is God really “two” spirits??? …discussing what “JW's” are now teaching.

    You have to be kidding me?

    How can someone fit so many errors into one sentence?

    First, I never said God is two spirits. Despite me saying “no” to that question, you continued to ask it of me. And, I assure you that JW's don't believe that either.

    I knew I should have went back and taken that “yes” out and merely said precisely what I believed. I thought that may confuse you.

    Notice you didn't ask me if I think God has two spirits. You said:

    Are you suggesting that besides YHVH being “Spirit”, he
    also possesses a different “spirit” called the HolySpirit?

    I made the unfortunate mistake of saying “yes” and the answer is yes, but agreeing with anything you say often backfires. I thought my explaining below the “yes” would make it clear that I was actually answering what you specifically asked and not what you thought.

    I've never seen so many mistakes in one sentence.

    #281415
    david
    Participant

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    David?

    I really saw no need to discuss this elsewhere, since I have been discussing it with you in the other thread. I should have been paying more attention. I didn't know you would start a thread based on very false ideas, and state that I believe those ideas, and add a ad hominim in there just for fun.

    It would be like me stating something you don't believe and then saying: “This is what the Bible code guys believe.”

    Just wrong Ed.

    #281417
    david
    Participant

    Ed, I just realized you haven't even been discussing this. It's like you just wanted to slander JW's by stating ridiculous made up things that I never said.

    T8, are we allowed to start threads that are clearly false just for the purpose of slandering a person or group? It really feels like that is what Ed has done here.

    If that is the case…

    #281419
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:23)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,08:54)

    Hi David,

    Are you suggesting that besides YHVH being “Spirit”, he
    also possesses a different “spirit” called the HolySpirit?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Yes!

    This is precisely what I am suggesting:

    1.  “god is (a) spirit…”

    And:

    2.  God has something called his holy spirit.  It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1


    Hi David,

    Sorry if you feel that I have wronged you.
    Perhaps you can explain in greater detail then
    what exactly you believe concerning this then; OK?
    Then we can ask you questions and discuss this further.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #281420
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:56)
    Ed, I just realized you haven't even been discussing this.  It's like you just wanted to slander JW's by stating ridiculous made up things that I never said.  

    T8, are we allowed to start threads that are clearly false just for the purpose of slandering a person or group?  It really feels like that is what Ed has done here.

    If that is the case…


    Hi David,

    No slander intended; did you come about this belief
    on your own or was it through “JW” teaching?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #281629
    david
    Participant

    IS THIS THREAD STILL HERE?

    ED, THIS WHOLE THREAD IS MADE UP NONSENSE. I'M GOING TO GO START A THREAD ABOUT HOW YOU HATE CHILDREN. BUT NO SLANDER IS INTENDED.

    #281632
    david
    Participant

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    did you come about this belief on your own

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    Perhaps you can explain in greater detail then
    what exactly you believe concerning this then; OK?

    ED, YOU MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF I AM THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO BELIEVES THIS:

    This is precisely what I am suggesting:

    1. “god is (a) spirit…”

    And:

    2. God has something called his holy spirit. It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1

    THE FACT IS, MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT “GOD IS (A) SPIRIT,” as the Bible says those exact words.
    AND THE FACT IS, MOST PEOPLE HERE BELIVE GOD HAS SOMETHING CALLED HIS HOLY SPIRIT, AND IT IS SPOKEN OF AS SOMETHING HE POSSESSES.

    ED, it is you who believe that the holy spirit is God. Most on here don't believe that. Most on here believe #1, for it is what the Bible says and also believe #2.

    If you don't believe these things, then there is most likely something wrong with you.

    T8, why is this thread still here, and why is Ed allowed on this forum and why don't he have 12 of those tiles by now?

    I am done commenting on this thread as it is made up garbage by Ed.

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