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Many view God as Omnipotent and Omniscient, in short perfect and infallible, yet the writer/s of Genesis seem to disagree. It is clear in Gen 6:6-7 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
God is sorry? God is pained? God has regrets? Regret and pain come from bad choices or mistakes. If a being is infallible, all-knowing and all-powerful then regret, grief and pain would be impossible. So God evidently, at least according to Genesis, is fallible or else he wouldn't have regrets or the need to wipe out most of his creation and start again.
What judgements were made? I asked a question. Is God infallible? I believe he is, I believe God is incapable of mistake: he is all knowing, all powerfull. As such he would have no grief or regret for everything he does is good and with purpose. Yet Genesis clearly expresses that God regreted making man and expressed his desire to “wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”
The implication is clear, God made a mistake. I find that incompatible with what I believe is God's perfect nature. So either Genesis is mistaken or God falls short of perfection.
I view the Almighty as perfection and so see Genesis as mistaken.
Quote (Cato @ July 23 2009,02:15) Many view God as Omnipotent and Omniscient, in short perfect and infallible, yet the writer/s of Genesis seem to disagree. It is clear in Gen 6:6-7 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” God is sorry? God is pained? God has regrets? Regret and pain come from bad choices or mistakes. If a being is infallible, all-knowing and all-powerful then regret, grief and pain would be impossible. So God evidently, at least according to Genesis, is fallible or else he wouldn't have regrets or the need to wipe out most of his creation and start again.
Greetings Cato…..Regrets,Pain and sorrow can also come from the actions of others and have no relationship with an error on behalf of the recipient of same…..The creator certainly harbored judgement toward man and executed it in the form of a flood……. Good to hear from you it has been a while….Thank You Theodore, respectful, thoughtful dialogue is what I expect from your posts and I see that this hasn't changed.
As to the issue, if God is perfect and infallible, and he designed and created man, then man's imperfections and faults were evidently part of the design and quite predictable. In other words, everything would happen as it was meant to by divine plan. It follows then if all is going according to plan (your own at that) why have regret? God built in our our flaws so why be upset when they come to fore? God's judgement and the destruction of the vast majority of creation (including non-human life) as told in Genesis would only be logical if there was a design flaw in creation. I again point to the words, “for I am grieved that I have made them”. Sounds pretty clear that Genesis is saying God thinks he made a mistake.
Quote (Cato @ July 23 2009,09:15) Many view God as Omnipotent and Omniscient, in short perfect and infallible, yet the writer/s of Genesis seem to disagree. It is clear in Gen 6:6-7 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” God is sorry? God is pained? God has regrets? Regret and pain come from bad choices or mistakes. If a being is infallible, all-knowing and all-powerful then regret, grief and pain would be impossible. So God evidently, at least according to Genesis, is fallible or else he wouldn't have regrets or the need to wipe out most of his creation and start again.
Hi Cato,A different theory…..
God was sorry that He made man “ON THE EARTH”. He could've put us somewhere else.
Satan was cast out of Heaven and thrown into prison on Earth and was Evil, lurking around (darkness covered the deep), waiting to be let out of his bonds. And he got his wish when he deceived Eve and became the “god” of this world.
Happy (almost) anniversary of your post.
David
Quote (Cato @ July 23 2009,01:15) Many view God as Omnipotent and Omniscient, in short perfect and infallible, yet the writer/s of Genesis seem to disagree. It is clear in Gen 6:6-7 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” God is sorry? God is pained? God has regrets? Regret and pain come from bad choices or mistakes. If a being is infallible, all-knowing and all-powerful then regret, grief and pain would be impossible. So God evidently, at least according to Genesis, is fallible or else he wouldn't have regrets or the need to wipe out most of his creation and start again.
Your point is well taken.What does the English expression, “He bought the farm” mean? To a foreigner, it should indicate that a man was prosperous enough to purchase a farm. Yet that is not what those words, as a figure of speech, mean. As a figure of speech, the words indicate that the man died.
How about “he washed his face off.” Did he literally remove his face by washing? No. Literally, he washed the dirt off of his face.
Figures of speech are used in the scripture. God uses them by design. Condescencio is the name of one of them. God condescends to man's position, or even inanimate objects to describe in man's words what God wants communicated about himself.
God is spirit, John 4:24. God does not emote. However, by using the figure of speech, condescencio, God is able to communicate His disappointment in mankind's decisions.
Quote (Cato @ July 23 2009,22:15) What judgements were made? I asked a question. Is God infallible? I believe he is, I believe God is incapable of mistake: he is all knowing, all powerfull. As such he would have no grief or regret for everything he does is good and with purpose. Yet Genesis clearly expresses that God regreted making man and expressed his desire to “wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.” The implication is clear, God made a mistake. I find that incompatible with what I believe is God's perfect nature. So either Genesis is mistaken or God falls short of perfection.
I view the Almighty as perfection and so see Genesis as mistaken.
Or we do not understand what is written. See the note on the figure of speech, condescencio.
God formed, made and created Adam and Eve perfect, including given them the power to choose. The chose poorly and disappointed God. They fell short of the glory of God.
Quote (Cato @ July 24 2009,01:31) Thank You Theodore, respectful, thoughtful dialogue is what I expect from your posts and I see that this hasn't changed. As to the issue, if God is perfect and infallible, and he designed and created man, then man's imperfections and faults were evidently part of the design and quite predictable. In other words, everything would happen as it was meant to by divine plan. It follows then if all is going according to plan (your own at that) why have regret? God built in our our flaws so why be upset when they come to fore? God's judgement and the destruction of the vast majority of creation (including non-human life) as told in Genesis would only be logical if there was a design flaw in creation. I again point to the words, “for I am grieved that I have made them”. Sounds pretty clear that Genesis is saying God thinks he made a mistake.
Adam and Eve were flawless, they were “very good”. Included in that perfection was the ability to choose whether to obey God or not. They chose poorly. God's work is perfect. Man falls short of the glory of God.Quote God does not emote. Who are you to say that?
Where in scripture does it say God does not emote?
Isn't love, anger, hatred, regret all emotions of God we read in the bible?
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God certainly emotes.
Many believe why and how could the creator of all things have human emotions?
but has anyone considered, maybe it's not God who has human emotions…but it us humans who experience Godly emotions? animals the same.
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God was grieved that he made mankind and desired to wipe them off the earth… not because he was suprised at our bad choices, and did not forsee the coming events…
but he considers us children….
It's almost like, giving your child his/her first car…
you know, doing so will be beneficial to your child, but it comes with the possibilty of getting in an accident…
When the child actually crashes and gets hurt, you then become grieved that you even gave them the car to begin with…even though, crashing was to no surprise…coming from a teenager.
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Many of us do things understanding and knowing the outcome, and when the outcome takes place it hurts because we expect differently even though we know the possibilities.
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God knew what we were capable of, he gave us this world as a gift expecting the best…although he knew the outcome…
when we didn't measure up to the glory he expected, it grieved him…
The best example I can think of is death.
We all know we're going to die…we know family is going to die…but we aren't grieved until they actually die.
God knew we would fall and mess up, but wasn't grieved until he actually made our mistakes…
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He's God, he's not a robot or machine…he is in a sense, more human, more compassionate, more loving, more caring than us human beings….
in comparison, we're like sheets of empty blank paper, held up against the intrinsic masterpiece we call our God….and that is in comparison to his emotions….
A friend once told me, God is extremely sensitive…
where mankind sees a trait like that as weakness, it attributes to God's strength and perfection.
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So if you're beffudled at the fact that God was grieved that his children failed him?
you shouldn't be…
you should love him for it.
Hi Everyone,
Is repeated and continuous hindsight fallible?
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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